CWJ Posted February 4, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 455 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 Philippians 4:3 has a reference to a person named Clement. He wrote a few letters that may have made up part of the original texts that were to be selected from to complete the Bible. Here are two quotes from him: "On account of his hospitality and godliness, Lot was saved out of Sodom when all the country round was punished by means of fire and brimstone, the Lord thus making it manifest that He does not forsake those that hope in Him, but gives up such as depart from Him to punishment and torture. For Lot's wife, who went forth with him, being of a different mind from himself and not continuing in agreement with him [as to the command which had been given them], was made an example of, so as to be a pillar of salt unto this day. This was done that all might know that those who are of a double mind, and who distrust the power of God, bring down judgment on themselves and become a sign to all succeeding generations." (First Epistle Of Clement To The Corinthians, Chapter 11) "Let us, then not only call Him Lord, for that will not save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 4, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 265 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/19/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 4, 2004 " You can't claim saved if you wind up lost! " That makes perfect sense to me! lol That makes the choices simpler. A.) Saved B.) Lost Your either one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted February 6, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2004 I LOVE the O.S.T.L.T.R.T.R crowd. They're really so scrutable. Suppose it were true that a person once saved could be re-lost, a term unknown in the Bible. Suppose such a person who believes in O.S.T.L.T.R.T.R., to gain heaven would then have to be saved all over again. But suppose the person in question never did get saved the second time and, departing this life a lost person, went finally to the lake of fire - after having been once saved. QUERY - In what sense, then, was he first saved? What was he saved from? Was he saved from the penalty of sin? No, for he did not escape the lake of fire. Was he saved from the power of sin? No, for he fell back into sin and died a lost man. And most assuredly he was not saved from the very presence of sin, for none this side of heaven have yet been saved from that (1 John 1:8). So what was he saved from? The answer is: NOTHING AT ALL! He may have thot he was saved. He may have felt saved. He may have even acted as tho he were saved, but in the final analysis. he was SAVED FROM NOTHING. Salvation, to be anything more than a mere term MUST be everlasting (John 3:16). Any person who has been saved has been ETERNALLY saved (John 10). No one is saved until he is eternally saved. Anyone who dies in a lost condition never was saved at all in the first place. DOES THIS MEAN WE MUST WAIT until this life is over to find out? No. We may be saved NOW and KNOW it. This clear from 1 Corinthians 1:18, where the Apostle Paul refers to "us which ARE saved." Present tense. How can we be saved? Check John 3:36....."He that believeth on the Son" - that's what we're called to do. "Hath" - that's WHEN you get it. "Everlasting life" - that's HOW LONG it lasts. Thank You, Lord Jesus! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd Posted February 6, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 97 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2004 How can we be saved? Check John 3:36....."He that believeth on the Son" - that's what we're called to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWJ Posted February 6, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 455 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 6, 2004 I LOVE the O.S.T.L.T.R.T.R crowd. They're really so scrutable. Suppose it were true that a person once saved could be re-lost, a term unknown in the Bible. Suppose such a person who believes in O.S.T.L.T.R.T.R., to gain heaven would then have to be saved all over again. But suppose the person in question never did get saved the second time and, departing this life a lost person, went finally to the lake of fire - after having been once saved. QUERY - In what sense, then, was he first saved? What was he saved from? Was he saved from the penalty of sin? No, for he did not escape the lake of fire. Was he saved from the power of sin? No, for he fell back into sin and died a lost man. And most assuredly he was not saved from the very presence of sin, for none this side of heaven have yet been saved from that (1 John 1:8). So what was he saved from? The answer is: NOTHING AT ALL! He may have thot he was saved. He may have felt saved. He may have even acted as tho he were saved, but in the final analysis. he was SAVED FROM NOTHING. Salvation, to be anything more than a mere term MUST be everlasting (John 3:16). Any person who has been saved has been ETERNALLY saved (John 10). No one is saved until he is eternally saved. Anyone who dies in a lost condition never was saved at all in the first place. DOES THIS MEAN WE MUST WAIT until this life is over to find out? No. We may be saved NOW and KNOW it. This clear from 1 Corinthians 1:18, where the Apostle Paul refers to "us which ARE saved." Present tense. How can we be saved? Check John 3:36....."He that believeth on the Son" - that's what we're called to do. "Hath" - that's WHEN you get it. "Everlasting life" - that's HOW LONG it lasts. Thank You, Lord Jesus! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWJ Posted February 6, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 455 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 6, 2004 How can we be saved? Check John 3:36....."He that believeth on the Son" - that's what we're called to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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