CWJ

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What exactly did you mean when you quoted the verse from "Farcians". What was the real verse you quoted. Check under "Speaking in Tongues" post.. Thank you.

But swimming would be "works" that are done by the one being saved. Jesus does it all.....the "work" is done..... Not a good analogy to the Gospel fact.

Rev 5:2-3: "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worhty to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." The seals are hard to get opened, even a strong angel can't...... But we see in later verses that..... JESUS CAN! and we're told when.......like you said Rick....scripture shows us the SURE DEAL!

Amen...and... amen! Good Rick, and simple, which is in Christ.

Isn't the definition of saved.....means to be saved from the lake of fire? So...if you wind up in the lake of fire....you wasn't SAVED! Can't claim saved...if you wind up lost!

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

Let Jesus baptise you in the Holy Spirit, for that eternaly cleansed spirit. Easy. Repent. 1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

Well....how do you know this? That's a loooong time! Actually the scriptures have taught OSAS from the beginning. You say "nobody"....I say the One....our Saviour Jesus Christ! It is true , Godly :il: to save a sinner to the uttermost, to give eternal life where it is not deserved on merit of acts or works.......

I think too many are just "clocking in" at church and going on with their lives after the time clock at church is punched. What's needed are more Bereans. Nobly searching the scriptures. Some good reading here: http://www.ntrf.org/

Now Rick.......you know that is one of those once saved then lost believers But....I never can get it....what was they saved from in the first place?

I agree 100% Working for those crowns of reward!

If you will read what I wrote you will see i wrote "I think".... I get the feeling you're on my case somewhat......

What makes True Gospel of Christ different from any other belief/religion is the unconditional gift of everlasting life. We do nothin at all to merit salvation, unlike every other teaching in existance. We have a saviour, He did the work of saving. Yes,...we must turn to Him, but without this faith it is impossible to please Him. Call it a condition, requirement, whatever...but it is not a "work" on the part of the believer. We are saved by the answer to this good conscience we have toward God. 1Peter 3;21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us ( not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." By this we see that we are baptised with the Holy spirit, creating our "born again" state of being. NOT by any "works", that is to say, by any "cleaning up" our sins. Jesus saves us just in the condition we are, and He continues to work on us to conform to His likeness. Read Eph 2:8-10. myrrh.....Read Hebrews 11 Hebrews 11:1..."Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. heb 11:6..."But without faith it is impossible to please Him; for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." myrrh....we through this faith are able to believe the Gospel that Jesus is the only way Eph 4:5..."One Lord, one faith, one baptism" Blessings to you myrrh.....

These words are not in the Bible!!!!!!!!!!

Hello William. Ok...what happens when one is saved from their sins......? 1Tim 4:8...upon some meditation on this...to say that this verse is stating eternal life as a "future" posession to me is contradictory to this: 1John 5:13.."These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." "the life that now is, and of that which is to come." In light of 1John 5;13 I say that the "life that now is", is speaking of your present posession of eternal life, as far as having it in this flesh existance. "and of that which is to come"...well, here we see it will take on a different existance after the resurrection. Still the same eternal life from being Born Again. Your other two verses in no way determine our eternal life as a "future" posession. They proclaim God's promise to us from the foundation of the world. How can we be "brought back into fellowship" if we are born dead? We never had a fellowship with Him. Until being Born Again. Twice dead? His son...you are waaaay off!

"his portion with the unbelievers" If he was to get something reserved for unbelievers only, then I see it's clear he's an unbeliever. No, I know of no scripture that says.." a true saint will never walk away from grace." But, as this debate has dragged on, plenty of scriputre has been explained that clearly teaches such a fact! One clear method of issue dodging in debate is to attack the opposing debator, such as character slander.( I'm adding words to scripture!) Why not tell me what one is saved from if they were "in grace" but then "walked away"? I suppose you all agree that saved is synonymous with having eternal life and with being born again of God; so if one once has this, and "loses it" as you all say one can....... THEN WHAT WAS THIS ONE EVER SAVED FROM! Saved is definitely a New Test. term. What ever do you suppose God meant!? SAVED...lost...SAVED....lost...SAVED...........how may times? Logic here is twisted for you guys, Saved connotates a permanent state of being! And....scripture clearly teaches this!

Jesus fullfilled scripture...so...He picked a devil to betray Him...as to fullfill scriptures. Judas is portrayed as evil hearted throughout the time with Jesus. "that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." Good post Rick

So...to be closer to the "original" tradition...eat unleavened bread. But it is Ok to eat angel food cake?

If they had eaten of it....then a BIG explosion!

What was Judas "saved" from? If you think he wound up in eternal damnation. And God knew beforehand the outcome, how can you say he was "saved' for awhile even? Matt 19:25.." When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, who then can be SAVED ?" Looks like they did have that term at that period of time. What if Judas, (being in heart a thief), never participated in casting out demons and such? Scripture doesn't tell us he did. What if being un-saved all along he just kept the money, and "looked" like he was part of the team? It's so very possible to think that, as scripture only tells us the bad about Judas. mmmm?

Mmmmmm...this is becoming very interesting. Look at these verses: Matt 10:4.."Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him." Matt 12:31.."Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." "All manner of sin"...shall be forgiven. John 12:4.."Then saith one of his disciples, Judas iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,...(5)....Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?...(6)....This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a theif, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein." mmmmm..... John 17:2...."As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.....(3)....And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:12.."While I was with them in the world, I kept them in my name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." Judas was lost from the get-go I think. He was never given by God. Jude 24..."Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling.........."