apothanein kerdos Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Tishri, the epistle of Jude, which was the scirpture in question, was most likely written to Greek speakers and thinkers, in other words, people solely in the Greek. That is why the correct interpretation of phobos, as I pointed out, is in reverence. Fear, that is terror, will lead no one to Christ. Also, don't rely on a concordnance, they're unreliable and don't show you the context the scripture or word is written in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tishri 1 Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 99 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/26/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Tishri, the epistle of Jude, which was the scirpture in question, was most likely written to Greek speakers and thinkers, in other words, people solely in the Greek. That is why the correct interpretation of phobos, as I pointed out, is in reverence. Fear, that is terror, will lead no one to Christ. Also, don't rely on a concordnance, they're unreliable and don't show you the context the scripture or word is written in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey I was not coming against you, I never said anything negative about fear, I totally get what you are trying to say and respect your opinion and AGREED with it...what gives and if I want to use my concordance you can't stop me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Tishri, the epistle of Jude, which was the scirpture in question, was most likely written to Greek speakers and thinkers, in other words, people solely in the Greek. That is why the correct interpretation of phobos, as I pointed out, is in reverence. Fear, that is terror, will lead no one to Christ. Also, don't rely on a concordnance, they're unreliable and don't show you the context the scripture or word is written in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey I was not coming against you, I never said anything negative about fear, I totally get what you are trying to say and respect your opinion and AGREED with it...what gives and if I want to use my concordance you can't stop me <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Concordnances are horrible. I say get yourself a nice Greek lexicon and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Whats a good one SJ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 I forget the name of th eone I use to use, it's packed up. I have a lot of friends that use this one. Personally, and i hope this doesn't sound arrogant, I'm beginning to use lexicons that are almost completely comprised in Greek...but that's cause I"ve taken classes in Greek... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Probably the best approach is one that is truthful. I would not want to emphasize eternal punishment, but neither would I want to hide it from them. When I share the gospel I try to give folks the complete story (namely that God loves them, but is also holy and must judge sin). Both are important concepts for an accurate view of salvation. If we stress one above the other, we are presenting a view of God (and the gospel potentially) that is not accurate. We are in a sense misrepresenting Him to people. I want them to have the complete truth so they can respond (one way or another) to the true and living God. Not a partial truth, so later they are suprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 I would not say that concordances are horrible. They have been horribly misused. They are potentially good tools if used correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust & Obey Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,091 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Yes, let's get people to accept Christ out of a sense of urgency and fear! Let them be afraid so much that they accept Him because He might come back in our life time. Forget that they are to accept Him because they love Him, we dont' have time for that anymore! Let's scare the hell (literally) out of them! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think it is inappropriate to use the element of "fear" with certain people in evangelism. Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Some people will respond according to the love of God, others will respond because they don't want to perish in hell. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "Fear" is not actually fear...no one seems to be grasping this. SJ, although I respect your opinion, I still think it is incorrect. I think the term "snatching them out of the fire" is obviously a reference to hell/gehenna/the Lake of Fire and therefore the context of that statement is fear, in the sense of being afraid of the judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust & Obey Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,091 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Probably the best approach is one that is truthful. I would not want to emphasize eternal punishment, but neither would I want to hide it from them. When I share the gospel I try to give folks the complete story (namely that God loves them, but is also holy and must judge sin). Both are important concepts for an accurate view of salvation. If we stress one above the other, we are presenting a view of God (and the gospel potentially) that is not accurate. We are in a sense misrepresenting Him to people. I want them to have the complete truth so they can respond (one way or another) to the true and living God. Not a partial truth, so later they are suprised <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tishri 1 Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 99 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/26/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Tishri, the epistle of Jude, which was the scirpture in question, was most likely written to Greek speakers and thinkers, in other words, people solely in the Greek. That is why the correct interpretation of phobos, as I pointed out, is in reverence. Fear, that is terror, will lead no one to Christ. Also, don't rely on a concordnance, they're unreliable and don't show you the context the scripture or word is written in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey I was not coming against you, I never said anything negative about fear, I totally get what you are trying to say and respect your opinion and AGREED with it...what gives and if I want to use my concordance you can't stop me <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Concordnances are horrible. I say get yourself a nice Greek lexicon and you'll be fine. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm glad you didn't take offence to my Razzing you actually I have Bibleworks so it's all there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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