Cerran Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/27/1975 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Playing the Troop Morale Card by Steven LaTulippe Save a link to this article and return to it at www.savethis.comSave a link to this article and return to it at www.savethis.com Email a link to this articleEmail a link to this article Printer-friendly version of this articlePrinter-friendly version of this article View a list of the most popular articles on our siteView a list of the most popular articles on our site As the conflict in Iraq drags on, more Americans are beginning to question both the president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Cerran: For once we can agree on some of the stuff you've posted here! I believe however, that we have heard the truth about "why we fight." Give our soldiers the best gear? You bet! We need to keep building up the forces and equipment gutted under 8 years of feckless handling by the Clintons' administration. However, I think we need to VASTLY increase expenditures on the 'high tech' gadgetry this article pooh-pooh's. The fact is ALL OUR BEST GEAR was once looked upon this way by luddites of the sort who wrote this article. Armies almost always win because of technological advantages, so we need to stay cutting edge. R&D is a sloppy business with lots of false starts, rabbit trails, and blind alleys before we hit on 'pay dirt.' But don't scrap R&D altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Bring the trooops home now . . . And the terrorists will believe they won and be encouraged to keep terrorizing. Bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constant Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,946 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/06/1979 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Bring the trooops home now . . . And the terrorists will believe they won and be encouraged to keep terrorizing. Bad idea. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We can't pull out now. You are correct nebula! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerran Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/27/1975 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 Bring the trooops home now . . . And the terrorists will believe they won and be encouraged to keep terrorizing. Bad idea. Based on what past events? Can you name a place in history to back up your rhetoric? Please don't insult the intelligence of everyone here with unsubstantiated statements like this. At least back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Cerran: You mean based on like.....the evidence of ALL HUMAN HISTORY? Are you literate? Ever heard of Chamberlain's policy of 'appeasement'? Ever been picked on by a bully? Did it do any good to chicken out and run away? Wake up, man!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerran Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/27/1975 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 This isn't a case of a bully Leonard, it disingenuous to say it is. If anyone is doing the bullying we are. Need I remind you of Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation, German occupation of France, Poland and other countries. In every case the occupying force lost because the people did not want them there. Recent studies of the insurgents captured shows more than 60% are now Iraqi nationals, not foreigners. We're not fighting a foreign force in Iraq anymore. Pulling out of Iraq is not an action of appeasement. The simple fact is there is no reason for us to be there. We are creating more terrorists being there simply because they see us as an evil occupying force. Whether you believe we are doing good there or not, the vast majority of people there don't see it that way, so in the final analysis we have already lost the war there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Bring the trooops home now . . . And the terrorists will believe they won and be encouraged to keep terrorizing. Bad idea. Based on what past events? Can you name a place in history to back up your rhetoric? Please don't insult the intelligence of everyone here with unsubstantiated statements like this. At least back it up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> During the 70's we began to see Terrorist begin to raise the stakes...as they did so they suffered little to no consequences. This lead to more bombings and more terrorist activities. When Reagan responed in the 80's, we saw a drastic drop in terrorism. When Clinton refused to act, we saw an increase in terrorism (the bombings in Kenya resulted in scud missle launches that did little damage...shortly after this the bombing of the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen occured). Likewise, one only look to the Isreal/Palestine area. When Israel is soft on terrorist actions, more insue. However when they deal back what the PLO or Hamas has given them, terrorist actions drop. As for Iraq, think about this for a second. Everyone agrees that AL Queda and other terrorist organizations are in Iraq as we speak. Dick Morris, a former Clinton man (still liberal) brought up an excellent point. These are terrorist that, if not fighting in IRaq, would be finding ways to attack Americans on American soil. Fighting in Iraq has forced them to defend their "homeland" and keep the battle there. This is significant, even if it cost American lives. We lost more civilians on 9/11 then we have lost soldiers (which, btw, is extremely low body count considering our past conflicts) in the 2+ years we've been in Iraq. So if I were you, I'd stop complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2005 Recent studies of the insurgents captured shows more than 60% are now Iraqi nationals, not foreigners. We're not fighting a foreign force in Iraq anymore. I'm calling BS on this one. Give us proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerran Posted July 6, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/27/1975 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 (edited) Brookins Institute Post Article I Don't have the other links on this computer. I'll have to dig them up later when I'm back at home. As for Iraq, think about this for a second. Everyone agrees that AL Queda and other terrorist organizations are in Iraq as we speak. Dick Morris, a former Clinton man (still liberal) brought up an excellent point. These are terrorist that, if not fighting in IRaq, would be finding ways to attack Americans on American soil. Fighting in Iraq has forced them to defend their "homeland" and keep the battle there. This is significant, even if it cost American lives. We lost more civilians on 9/11 then we have lost soldiers (which, btw, is extremely low body count considering our past conflicts) in the 2+ years we've been in Iraq. Mr. LaTulippe is right, this argument is not only false it's insulting. There is no evidence that this is true. If the only goal of insurgents was to kill Americans, it would be extremely easy for them to waltz across the Mexican border and do so. to quote Mr LaTulippe: Third, upon hearing this excuse, it immediately prompts inquiring minds to begin postulating exactly what the real reasons for the war are. Since no one can seriously take this argument at face value, it follows that the president employing it must have some other reason that he doesn Edited July 6, 2005 by Cerran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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