The Word of God affirms Science

[JohnR7]

On 8/15/2022 at 11:54 PM, The Barbarian said:

You can insist on six literal days even though the text itself says they aren't literal days.  

The Bible is literal first and then symbolic second. We have to become as a child and understand the simplicity first, then we can grow and mature and understand the more complex meaning. Hundreds of thousands of books would only begin to explain what we read in the first chapter of Genesis. Even all the books in the world could not explain all of Genesis chapter one. 

A literal day is the day God was finished. When we are told, "It is finished" Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. King James Bible Thus the heavens and the earth were finished"  

Creation could have taken 14 billion years, but there was a day when God was finished with His work. Then He rested on the Seventh Day. For us, a day is 1,000 years. Moses tells us that in Psalms, and also we read that in the New Testament. The Church age is two days or 2,000 years and the Kingdom Age is 1,000 years. 

So a day can be a literal 24 hours (23 hours and 56 minutes).  The earth spin rate is slowing down, so our days are getting longer. There will be a perfect day of 24 hours at some point in time. Proverbs 4:18 "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day."

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On 8/15/2022 at 10:24 PM, SwordMaster said:

As to the process of science, when men look at the facts of nature, and decide to purposely add their own assumptions to the mix and teach those assumptions as facts when they are not facts, that goes beyond human error.

Science is objective reality.  Subjective reality is NOT science, even though most people think in terms that are subjective. Most science has a half life of 50 years before new information comes along to cause us to modify what is already known.  Psychology actually has a half life of around 7 years. Which is why it is not considered to be very dependable or reliable. My brother has a PhD in Psychology, and I tear into him all the time about how undependable and unreliable his field of study is. 

 

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On 6/22/2020 at 2:15 PM, ChemEngineer said:

mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago.

Soon and very soon. During the Kingdom age, there will be peace. Violence is a part of the primitive core of the brain, going back to hunter gather days. The cerebral cortex, a more advance area, controls the more primitive tendency toward violence. 

Isaiah 11:6-9 Revelation 21:1-4 

The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.

[The Barbarian]

35 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

The Bible is literal first and then symbolic second.

Since there can be no literal mornings and evenings without a sun to have them, we know that the days of the "creation week" are symbolic.

 

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4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Since there can be no literal mornings and evenings without a sun to have them, we know that the days of the "creation week" are symbolic.

 

God created light on the first day. The sun was here before the earth. 

[The Barbarian]

24 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

God created light on the first day. The sun was here before the earth. 

That's not what God says.   He says that the sun was made on the 4th day.   Of course, if it's symbolic, then it makes sense.   So the text itself says that it's not a literal history.

 

 

[Tristen]

6 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

On 4/16/2020 at 11:12 AM, Tristen said:

The Bible doesn't presume to answer every question

God has an answer for every question and a solution for every problem

God certainly knows all the answers. But the Bible is not designed to be an exhaustive text covering every aspect of reality. The OP was comparing information derived from the "Word of God" to information derived through "Science".

As my original response said, "The Bible doesn't presume to answer every question – only those questions pertaining to revealing God to humanity; along with His plan for human salvation".

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14 hours ago, Tristen said:

But the Bible is not designed to be an exhaustive text covering every aspect of reality.

You do not know the meaning of the word ALL because you are stuck on the word everything. The Bible covers "everything" and we can take "everything" back to the Bible and know what is and what is not of God. The problem is with the word "it" and the word "thing". So you are limited by the language that you use, and I am personally offended when people call the Living Word of God an "it" or a "thing". Even though we see these words used in our English translation of the Bible itself. So your translation may not be exhaustive, but the original language is. 

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On 8/27/2022 at 8:28 PM, The Barbarian said:

That's not what God says. 

I am going to sum all of this up, so you do not have to read any of this. The Bible does NOT contradict or disagree with what we learn in fifth grade science about the sun, moon and the earth. 

What God says and what YOU say He says is not the same. There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. A good book to read is Neil DeGrasse Tyson's book on Astrophysics. 

"In the Beginning, nearly fourteen billion years ago, all the space and all the matter and all the energy of the known universe was contained in a volume less than one-trillionth the size of the period that ends this sentence". 

This teaching also goes back to Nahmanides, so it is not tainted by modern science. So everything was in the beginning. The beginning may or may not be the universe itself. But by definition, the beginning does imply time. There is no time, and there was no time before the beginning. 

The sun is made up of hydrogen and helium. In the beginning, the universe was made up of hydrogen and helium and lithium beryllium. 

Now let's look at the Bible: “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky". First of all there would be no earth as it is without a sun. Actually, there would be no earth as it is without a moon. Only in this verse we are talking about the "vault in the sky". In verse 3 God said "let there be light". This was on the first day. Now on the fourth day, God is the vault of the sky. God can say a LOT in one word. Yet here He is actually using two words. So the words light, vault & sky are infinite. All the books in the world could not explain all there is to explain about them. But we can get a general idea because Jesus teaches us the simplicity of a child. In this case, it looks like we need the understanding of fifth grade science. All of these PhDs from MIT and Harvard with all of their books have to build on the science we learn in the fifth grade. That science tells us that the Sun was here before the Earth. ESP when you are talking about days & years. You cannot have a day, and you can not have a year without a sun. 

Genesis 1 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

God FINISHED His work in this regard on the fourth day. But He began His work in the beginning of the first day. 

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[JohnR7]

21 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Since there can be no literal mornings and evenings without a sun to have them, we know that the days of the "creation week" are symbolic.

 

The Bible is literal first and symbolic second. There is no conflict between science and the Bible. They are in 100% agreement.