Sparks Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: This article is a detailed examination of the young earth creationist claim that the geologic column does not exist. It is shown that the entire geologic column exists in North Dakota. I do this not to disprove the Bible but to encourage Christians who are in the area of apologetics to do a better job of getting the facts straight. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ Like the other things you just heard and believed, the facts are quite different. The Geologic Column does not exist. What you are seeing there is God's judgement, and a lot of hydrologic sorting. The alleged column does not often fall in the right order, or the desired order from the text books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: As you see, a fellow YE creationist freely admits that there is "very good evidence for macroevolution." No point in denial; he actually knows about it. Most people don't understand that macroevolution is supposed to occur above kinds. That is, a cat gives birth to a dog (yeah, it would have to be that way due to Irreducible Complexity). 34 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: More reason you should avoid listening to those lies. I am not the one listening to Satan's lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, Sparks said: Most people don't understand that macroevolution is supposed to occur above kinds "Kinds" is not a specific term. It can mean almost anything. But as you now realize, even honest creationists admit there is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." That is, a cat gives birth to a dog If that happened, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble. You've been misled about what "macroevolution" means. (yeah, it would have to be that way due to Irreducible Complexity). Perhaps you don't know what "irreducible complexity" means. What do you think it means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, Sparks said: The Geologic Column does not exist. See above. One such location is in North Dakota. No point in denial. It's rare to find a place where every geologic period remains not eroded away, but they do exist. If you were correct, there wouldn't be any at all. 33 minutes ago, Sparks said: What you are seeing there is God's judgement, and a lot of hydrologic sorting. No, that excuse won't work. For example, we have shrimp throughout the column, and streamlined fish or fishlike organisms all through the column. So much for "hydrologic sorting." Perhaps you don't know what "hydrologic sorting" is. What do you think it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: See above. One such location is in North Dakota. No point in denial. OK, but then none under your feet, a mile from you, 20 miles from you ... yet, the flood hit everything. Anywhere you dig, you will find the flood hit. Even under the great pyramids. 20 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: No, that excuse won't work. For example, we have shrimp throughout the column, and streamlined fish or fishlike organisms all through the column. So much for "hydrologic sorting." Perhaps you don't know what "hydrologic sorting" is. What do you think it is? Hydrologic sorting happens automatically. Scoop up some dirt, put it in a jar with water, and violently shake it. When you put it down, it will sort all by itself. This jar is an example, and no matter how hard you shake it, the contents of the jar will sort like you see below. In fact, it will mysteriously like 'strata' that allegedly formed over trillions of years. Why not name each strata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: "Kinds" is not a specific term. It can mean almost anything. But as you now realize, even honest creationists admit there is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." Kind is the term God used. So, I use it. I works, too, to demonstrate that macroevolution does not happen. It cannot happen. 22 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: If that happened, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble. You've been misled about what "macroevolution" means Yeah, I do. Many times you have tried to explain it, but miss it's simplicity. 22 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Perhaps you don't know what "irreducible complexity" means. What do you think it means? Would I be defining it so that you know what it means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Sparks said: Kind is the term God used. Genesis 25:37 As Joseph's brothers sat down to eat, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were loaded with all kinds of spices that they were taking to Egypt. Exodus 3:20 So I will use my mighty power to perform all kinds of miracles and strike down the Egyptians. Then the king will send you away. Exodus 29:23 Take one loaf of each kind of bread from the basket, Genesis 18:20 The Lord said, “Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are doing all kinds of evil things. So clearly it's not meant as a specific description of organisms. Perhaps you don't know what "irreducible complexity" means. What do you think it means? (declines to say) Not surprising. It has a specific meaning. How about finding out what it means before you tell us about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Sparks said: Hydrologic sorting happens automatically. Scoop up some dirt, put it in a jar with water, and violently shake it. When you put it down, it will sort all by itself. This jar is an example, and no matter how hard you shake it, the contents of the jar will sort like you see below. In fact, it will mysteriously like 'strata' that allegedly formed over trillions of years. Why not name each strata? So no living things? Are you starting to realize why there is not hydrologic sorting of fossils? You can go to the Grand Canyon, for example, and find coarse material far above fine sediments. Because they weren't all laid down in a single flood. Moreover, we can see in drumlins that there is no hydrologic sorting at all. If you were right, none of this would be possible. Edited May 9, 2022 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, The Barbarian said: Genesis 25:37 As Joseph's brothers sat down to eat, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were loaded with all kinds of spices that they were taking to Egypt. Exodus 3:20 So I will use my mighty power to perform all kinds of miracles and strike down the Egyptians. Then the king will send you away. Exodus 29:23 Take one loaf of each kind of bread from the basket, Genesis 18:20 The Lord said, “Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are doing all kinds of evil things. So clearly it's not meant as a specific description of organisms. Perhaps you don't know what "irreducible complexity" means. What do you think it means? (declines to say) Not surprising. It has a specific meaning. How about finding out what it means before you tell us about it? Genesis 1:24-25 (ESV) 24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. No so coincidentally, that's how it happens today. Just as God said it would. Each after their own kind. Exactly what science observes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, The Barbarian said: So no living things? Are you starting to realize why there is not hydrologic sorting of fossils? You can go to the Grand Canyon, for example, and find coarse material far above fine sediments. Because they weren't all laid down in a single flood. Moreover, we can see in drumlins that there is no hydrologic sorting at all. If you were right, none of this would be possible. People have done it with dead things in cement mixer type scenarios. They sort just like they do in the real word, when there are world-wide floods, and a lot of dead things floating, and then sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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