Fox News Hosts Did Not Believe 2020 Election Fraud Claims, Court Filing States

[Tristen]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

Trying to sort all this out could take a long, long time.  Adam's ilk is very good at hiding the truth

I'm just not sure what "truth" we are trying to expose here. You said in your OP, "this does not look good for Fox News", but all I see so far is an admittedly biased news organisation addressing the issues that are important to their core audience. I'd have to see a lot more information, pointing to much more nefarious actions, before my interest is peaked even a little.

 

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

that applies to both sides of the political spectrum as well

When I watched a lot of news, I generally preferred the conservative news-media outlets, because there was more in the way of facts to digest. The general story arc went: "Here's what happened (the facts), here's how the leftist media reported the story, now let's discuss how we see the issue (often with informed guests, sometimes from both sides of the political spectrum)". So, in a roundabout way, I got both sides of the issue (recognizing the bias of the presenters - since there was no attempt to hide their bias).

Whereas when I watch leftist media, all I see is unabashed, one-sided, leftist propaganda - masquerading as objective, unbiased reporting. Sometimes, important stories are not reported at all.

I remember when I first encountered Fox News (maybe 15-20 years ago) - I thought I must have stumbled onto a Christian channel - because I had never before seen the socially conservative perspective represented on mainstream news.

I understand that both sides are biased. But I find any suggestion that they are in the same category-of-bias to be naive.

 

[Vine Abider]

4 hours ago, Tristen said:

I'm just not sure what "truth" we are trying to expose here. You said in your OP, "this does not look good for Fox News", but all I see so far is an admittedly biased news organisation addressing the issues that are important to their core audience. I'd have to see a lot more information, pointing to much more nefarious actions, before my interest is peaked even a little.

No, I don't think it looks good for Fox News, but that could just be the looks and not the ultimate reality which surfaces in this case.  I think what was reported was from sworn deposition in a court filing, so that should carry a little more weight than general hearsay. 

And I too have seen the other thing you commented on regarding "when I watch leftist media, all I see is unabashed, one-sided, leftist propaganda - masquerading as objective, unbiased reporting."  Agreed.  Left-leaners like to say they are just reporting the unbiased truth, whereas the fact is they all have some bias. (I used to get a kick out of watching MSNBC then flipping to FOX to see how they would report the same events, but my head wanted to explode after just a few minutes . . . so I stopped doing that! )

[Vine Abider]

(Bloomberg) -- Fox Corp. Chairman Rupert Murdoch testified that Fox News’s popular commentators “endorsed” Donald Trump’s false claim that the 2020 presidential election was rigged, even though Murdoch said he doubted the conspiracy theory right away, according to a filing in a defamation lawsuit.

From: https://news.yahoo.com/murdoch-testified-fox-commentators-endorsed-222614792.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZHJ1ZGdlcmVwb3J0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGtmyYyYVXfdB5ij85gPr0v3cG8xlR7UXihQTo41UzKV4TmWYe3PbxAf3iQPnSagB-VwxeRJFhrU9M8eyDSX2oNuKXhUi7hJY7-sdd-LzF0DwCVAg-4-BzbkX9_UDsW_epJJq9xPH4yE39UpuzMqd1A-8T_cJr9z7TJJhPkuOxrF

To me, the bottom-line in all the affairs of man, is we cannot trust what man says (regardless or left, right or center). We know what is in man, and all men are liars!

[Vine Abider]

In one stunning revelation, Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of Fox Corporation, replied in an email to former House Speaker and Fox Corp. board member Paul Ryan that veteran host Sean Hannity “has been privately disgusted by Trump for weeks.” The exchange regarded Trump’s spreading of election lies following his November 2020 defeat to Joe Biden.

From here: https://www.mediaite.com/news/breaking-murdoch-reveals-hannity-was-privately-disgusted-by-trump-but-scared-to-lose-viewers-according-to-new-court-filing/

[Neighbor]

On 2/19/2023 at 2:23 PM, Vine Abider said:

Wow, I'm surprised no one even commented on this one.  Last time I left a political post it took off like a rocket and then ended not so well (in brotherly love terms).

Maybe we're all tired of such thing, which ain't really bad . . .

What do I have  to do with belial? 

"What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?  What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
    and I will be their God,
    and they shall be my people.
 Therefore go out from their midst,
    and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
    then I will welcome you,
 and I will be a father to you,
    and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

 

 

[Vine Abider]

7 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

What do I have  to do with belial? 

"What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?  What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
    and I will be their God,
    and they shall be my people.
 Therefore go out from their midst,
    and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
    then I will welcome you,
 and I will be a father to you,
    and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

 

 

"Why are they disquieted in vain?"  Psalm 39:6  This verse often comes to me if I listen to talk radio or see talking heads on TV. (I do that less and less these days . . .)

[Vine Abider]

From here: https://news.yahoo.com/strong-dominions-defamation-case-against-140054881.html

How strong is Dominion’s argument against Fox News?

Many 1st Amendment attorneys said Dominion has presented highly compelling evidence of malice by Fox News, which poses a significant threat to the network if it goes to trial, they said.

“I do overall believe that this is one of the strongest plaintiff's cases that I've ever seen,” said attorney Lee Levine, who litigated 1st Amendment matters for 40 years. "I have a hard time envisioning a scenario in which Fox wins before a jury."

Andrew Geronimo, director of the 1st Amendment Clinic at Case Western Reserve University School of Law, said he was taken aback by the evidence and believes Fox News is in an unenviable position as a defendant. Dominion's motion cited numerous examples of Fox News insiders disputing the veracity of Trump's claims in blunt terms.

"Usually, making out actual malice is all about inferences to things, what should have been discovered and what might have been overlooked," Geronimo said. "It’s not usually so stark as 'this is BS.' From a defense lawyer's perspective, it gives me the cold sweats reading this."

[Vine Abider]

16 hours ago, Slibhin said:

Everytime I resolve not to talk anymore something pulls me back.

Many people would rather believe a beautiful lie instead of the ugly truth. If you live on a steady diet of exclusively right wing news like Fox, it alters your perception of reality. A lot of people here very badly want to believe Trump was robbed because the alternative, thier guy was a failure and the rest of the country hated him is too difficult and emotionally damaging to absorb.

Fox news, which is essentially state TV for the Republicans, is infamous for giving its viewers disinformation and creating a false reality in its viewers. They convinced thier viewers Trump was amazing and popular, would easily win yadda yadda. Then reality happened. He lost by millions, and his fans were enraged. They did not want to hear that he lost, they wanted to hear that he (and by proxy they) were robbed. Fox had to choose between telling the truth and losing countless viewers, or telling thier audience what they wanted to hear.

Fox decided to tell them what they wanted to hear.

They can either acknowledge Fox lies to them, or tune it out. Most chose the latter.

LOL - Ain't it the truth --> something always pulls us back . . .

Regarding your comment, this is just who man is in fallen Adam - liars!  Adam and his descendants all lie to their advantage.  Therefore we should not be too surprised when our fellow man does things like this!

I'm not posting these things just to come down on Fox News specifically, because all news outlets are biased to some degree - it's just in man's nature.  I fellowship locally with certain ones, and there are some in my family, who elevate Fox News as being something they are not.  I'm fairly conservative, but easily recognize how much "in the tank" they (and a few other news outlets) were for Trump in an unhealthy way.

But the same thing can be said of much of the other news outlets, except that they are largely "in the tank" for ones on the other side of the political spectrum.  Today it's Fox News in hot water . . . tomorrow it will be someone else.

The moral is: Trust in God, not man!

[Vine Abider]

30 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

All your news is terrible, but Fox is unique in that they are actively trying to mislead and enrage their audience. The other main networks are merely corporate and establishment hacks. I have seen numerous studies how people who watch no news are less misinformed then people who only watch Fox. I have seen several interesting documentaries on the right wing information bubble and how it's radicalizing a large segment of the United States.

I don't disagree . . . and to balance what you said - many studies showing the so-called mainstream media is made up of journalists of who are about 70% left-leaning (at least).  The other thing that happened in this country is journalists polled now believe their reporting should "make the world a better place," as opposed to 50 years ago when polled they predominately believed their mission was "to present the facts."

Fox News came along and succeeded because many people were fed-up with the overwhelmingly left-biased news.  Now things are so polarized that each side just tends to go further in their own direction, to satisfy their base . . . which produces more polarization.

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Slibhin said:

The fact you think they are left leaning shows just how off tilt half your country is. You can tell a lot of people have not traveled much.

If you think your news and government are liberal don't ever visit Europe, especially the Scandinavian countries. Your heads will explode.

You people use the terms "liberal" as if it is a synonym for "dishonest".

Have you ever considered maybe sometimes you just don't like the facts?

Until I came to this forum I had never been accused if being a liberal. Me, an Orthodox Jew who can't even expose her elbows or use birth control. It's a miracle my husband and I didn't have nine kids before he died.

Still, I'm too liberal apparently for some people here.

Not liking the facts doesn't mean someone is lying to you. It just means you don't like the truth.

I'm not saying this to defend your terrible news industry, I think they're all awful. Fox is just the only one actively lying, but thier own admission. Whatever happened to critical thinking skills?

Very aware that much of the world is more socialistic leaning than the USA, and therefore the perception you have is valid . . . from your perspective.