Inquiring Mind Posted April 26 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2024 Status: Offline Share Posted April 26 IMO, Psalm 90:10 reads more like a general rule than a hard & fast one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted April 27 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,510 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 27 Quote If God prolonged the life of some people, it does not deny the fact that God set the lifetime of humans as seventy years. Your disbelief in His word changes nothing. The whole chronology of Genesis lists such very long lifespans, From Adam to Noah and beyond. It is a mischaracterization to say it was some exception and special miracle. Quote That's not what God says. He names a few who lived much longer. But He says a man's normal life span is about seventy years. Your disbelief in His word changes nothing. Only long after Babel was that the case and normal. In Gen 5 for example the average life span is 912 years. Quote What is dishonest, is you pretending I denied that God mentions a number of people who lived long beyond the seventy years He set for human life. What I pointed out was that you are unwilling to accept His word on the normal life span He set for humans. Once again, the average life in Gen 5 was 912 years. Nowhere in Genesis was it 70 years. Your claims are disingenuous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 2 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2 On 4/26/2024 at 11:47 PM, dad2 said: The whole chronology of Genesis lists such very long lifespans, From Adam to Noah and beyond. It is a mischaracterization to say it was some exception and special miracle. Since these were pointed out, they were clearly exceptions, particularly since God says that man's lifespan was seventy years. But I'd be open to your evidence that the exceptions were typical. What do you have? On 4/26/2024 at 11:47 PM, dad2 said: Only long after Babel was that the case and normal. In Gen 5 for example the average life span is 912 years. But you have no evidence for this. Just a few exceptions. Your belief is an alteration of scripture to make it more acceptable to you. On 4/26/2024 at 11:47 PM, dad2 said: Once again, the average life in Gen 5 was 912 years. But you have no evidence for this. Just a few specific exceptions. Why not just accept it God's way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted May 2 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,510 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 2 Quote Since these were pointed out, they were clearly exceptions, particularly since God says that man's lifespan was seventy years. But I'd be open to your evidence that the exceptions were typical. What do you have? Name anyone that lived only seventy years from Adam till Peleg? Even Abraham and Moses lived longer by far. They all lived long long lives. The exact years they each lived are listed in Genesis. No exceptions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted May 2 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 773 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted May 2 The 70 year lifespan comes from Psalms 90:10. The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. This was written over 1,000 years BC. The Bible tell us that men who existed before the flood such as Adam lived 930 years, Jared lived to 962, and Jared's grandson Methuselah lived the longest in history at 969 years! While the average age at death before the deluge was high, it averaged only 317 years for the ten generations following it. The first century historian Josephus asserts that man, at one time, did live very long lifespans. He attributes their longevity to God's mercy and the fact that the food they ate was much better at extending their years on earth than it was after the deluge (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 1, Chapter 3). source In Genesis 6:3, God shortened the AVERAGE lifespan of man. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. So by using our preferred reference, the Bible, we can see that men actually DID live significantly longer originally. Keep in mind that any time the birth rate exceeds the death rate there is an increase in the population. That was much more necessary when there were only a very few people on the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted Saturday at 04:03 PM Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted Saturday at 04:03 PM On 5/2/2024 at 5:48 AM, RV_Wizard said: The first century historian Josephus asserts that man, at one time, did live very long lifespans. Josephus was a Romanized Jew who worshiped Caesar. Josephus later joined the Roman forces under the command of Vespasian’s son and later successor, Titus, at the siege of Jerusalem in ad 70. He attempted to act as mediator between the Romans and the rebels, but, hated by the Jews for his apostasy and distrusted by the Romans as a Jew, he was able to accomplish little. Following the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple, Josephus took up residence in Rome, where he devoted the remainder of his life to literary pursuits under imperial patronage. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Flavius-Josephus It was a common pagan belief that humans once lived much longer lives. And recently a woman in France lived over 120 years, so God setting the limit at 120 would be correct. As Genesis 6:3 confirms. And you seem to have made my argument for me. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted Sunday at 01:35 AM Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 773 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted Sunday at 01:35 AM (edited) 11 hours ago, The Barbarian said: And recently a woman in France lived over 120 years, so God setting the limit at 120 would be correct Keep in mind that Noah was already born in Genesis 6:3, which was shortly before the great flood. The flood didn't happen until after Methuselah died. Post flood, people didn't live as long as they did earlier. Edited Sunday at 03:48 AM by RV_Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted Sunday at 01:40 AM Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted Sunday at 01:40 AM 3 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Keep in mind that Noah was already born in Genesis 6:3, which was shortly before the great flood. The flood didn't happen until after Methuselah died. Post flood, people did live as long as they did earlier. But you have no evidence for your new doctrine. As you learned, God indicated maximum human life spans then were as much as they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted Sunday at 03:56 AM Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 773 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted Sunday at 03:56 AM (edited) 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: But you have no evidence for your new doctrine. 1. It's not doctrine. It's just a fact that the Bible recorded. No evidence? Did you ever actually read the Bible? Lifetimes in Genesis. Is there anything in the Bible with which you actually agree? Edited Sunday at 03:58 AM by RV_Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted Sunday at 10:19 AM Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted Sunday at 10:19 AM 6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: 1. It's not doctrine. It's just a fact that the Bible recorded. The Bible says that mans life span is 75 years, and in another place says 120 years. (but recently someone broke that limit). Your new doctrine was that most humans once lived hundreds of years, which (as you admitted) God's word denies. If God let some humans live much longer, that doesn't mean He let everyone live that long. Your story is just an addition to his word you inserted to make it more acceptable to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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