Fiosh Posted January 5, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2006 Given the RCC history it seams that they are more interested in their traditons than Biblical Truth OWWTLG, You are apparently not aware of the teaching of the RCC regarding Sacred Scripture. from the "horse's mouth" , so to speak..... Peace, Fiosh Catechism of the Catholic Church CHAPTER TWO GOD COMES TO MEET MAN ARTICLE 3 SACRED SCRIPTURE I. CHRIST - THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE 101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63 102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64 You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65 103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66 104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is, the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68 II. INSPIRATION AND TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURE 105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69 "For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70 106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71 107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72 108 Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, a word which is "not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living".73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures."74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONE WHO WISHES TO LOVE GOD Posted January 5, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 191 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/25/1972 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Given the RCC history it seams that they are more interested in their traditons than Biblical Truth OWWTLG, You are apparently not aware of the teaching of the RCC regarding Sacred Scripture. from the "horse's mouth" , so to speak..... Peace, Fiosh Catechism of the Catholic Church CHAPTER TWO GOD COMES TO MEET MAN ARTICLE 3 SACRED SCRIPTURE I. CHRIST - THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE 101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63 102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64 You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65 103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66 104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is, the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68 II. INSPIRATION AND TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURE 105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69 "For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70 106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71 107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72 108 Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, a word which is "not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living".73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures."74 No I am awear of these things however the RCC has had such a bloody and bad history for thier traditions and failure to comprehend their role in turning many away from true Christianity. However I do feel that there are Cathiolics that are Christians. any way Peace to you Fiosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted January 5, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2006 Any religious organization claiming to be Christian but which continues to put the Lord Jesus Christ back up on the cross a millions times over in its "Sacrifice of the Mass," doesn't deserve even a walk-on part. That plus an "in-between" holding area called "purgatory" for those "not good enuf for heaven, and not bad enuf for hell;" plus a non-scriptural "papacy" with infallible popes; plus the "bodily assumption of Mary"; plus prayers to her instead of to Jesus Christ; plus, well, it only gets worse. Which disciple attended a "Roman Catholic church"? Our Lord Jesus Himself was of the Tribe of Judah, not via an Italian "Vatican." Wonders hardly ever cease. Thank You, Lord Jesus, for everlasting salvation thru the blood of the cross, the one sacrifice-for-all-time for all sins! Hebrews Chapter Ten indeed. AMEN! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted January 6, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6, 2006 Any religious organization claiming to be Christian but which continues to put the Lord Jesus Christ back up on the cross a millions times over in its "Sacrifice of the Mass," doesn't deserve even a walk-on part. That plus an "in-between" holding area called "purgatory" for those "not good enuf for heaven, and not bad enuf for hell;" plus a non-scriptural "papacy" with infallible popes; plus the "bodily assumption of Mary"; plus prayers to her instead of to Jesus Christ; plus, well, it only gets worse. Which disciple attended a "Roman Catholic church"? Our Lord Jesus Himself was of the Tribe of Judah, not via an Italian "Vatican." Wonders hardly ever cease. Thank You, Lord Jesus, for everlasting salvation thru the blood of the cross, the one sacrifice-for-all-time for all sins! Hebrews Chapter Ten indeed. AMEN! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Hi Arthur, Volumes have been written in response to each of those points, so I won't even attempt to influence you. But, at least to this: "Thank You, Lord Jesus, for everlasting salvation thru the blood of the cross, the one sacrifice-for-all-time for all sins! ", I can say, "AMEN !!!!" God bless you, Arthur; I love to read your posts, even when they infuriate me. Peace, Fiosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjm Posted January 6, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 225 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/24/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1980 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 As long as someone believes what you believe it doesn't matter what church you belong to. I cannot wait for Yeshua's return when we can all celebrate our love for Him together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stray bullet Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) Any religious organization claiming to be Christian but which continues to put the Lord Jesus Christ back up on the cross a millions times over in its "Sacrifice of the Mass," doesn't deserve even a walk-on part. The Catholic Church does not put Christ on the cross repeatedly. It is the unbloody sacrifice of the Mass, as Christ was only sacrificed once. That plus an "in-between" holding area called "purgatory" for those "not good enuf for heaven, and not bad enuf for hell;" plus a non-scriptural "papacy" Your understanding of purgatory is completely incorrect. It has nothing to do with not being good enough and not bad enough. Only the saved go through purgatory, it is not a second chance or an in-between place. One is either saved and goes to Heaven or is condemned and goes to hell. Purgatory is the process of entering Heaven, the fire by which men are tested that Paul speaks of. with infallible popes; Popes are not infallible, no more than an apostle is infallible. plus the "bodily assumption of Mary"; plus prayers to her instead of to Jesus Christ; We certainly do not pray to Mary instead of Jesus Christ, we pray to Jesus. Catholics may ask Mary to pray for them, since she is alive through Christ and His resurrection. plus, well, it only gets worse. Which disciple attended a "Roman Catholic church"? Our Lord Jesus Himself was of the Tribe of Judah, not via an Italian "Vatican." Wonders hardly ever cease. Christ created the Catholic Church, the Universal Church of Christianity which existed unified, with the Pope as the head for nearly 500 years until the Coptics broke off, then 1000 later years when the Orthodox broke off and then 1500 when protestants such as yourself broke off. The Vatican is the place of Peter's successors, it is the place he died and was buried. Peter is the foundation of the Church (Matthew 16:18) and keeper of the Keys to Heaven (Matthew 16:20). Edited January 7, 2006 by stray bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stray bullet Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13...1811332,00.html This is a Terrible blow for the Catholic church, in my eyes. I don't agree with a lot of what they do, but to call G-d's Word not completely acurate is completely unnaceptable. No, it isn't true. The article is slander against the Church and takes what the Bishops says grossly out of context. The bible is the infallible, inspired and authoritative word according to the Church. The Catholic Church did not make the statement, but a handful of bishops. All they said was that the bible wasn't meant to be used to extract scientific and historical information is every single verse. This is not a definitive statement either, if Catholics wish to believe that every single sentence in the bible should be taken absolutely literally and all history and scientific information should comply with it, that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stray bullet Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) Secondarily, you ought to note this article was promulgated by some Bishops in England and Ireland, not through the House of Bishops; which is a very important distinction in the sacramental churches Do you really think the Bishops of England and Ireland would endorse such a controversial publication without the rubber stamp of the Vatican? I think not. The Vatican is simply Edited January 7, 2006 by stray bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted January 13, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 13, 2006 In view of Hebrews Chapter 10 (even in the RC version), ALL bloody sacrifices & bloodless sacrifices are unnecessary & uncalled for now. THE ONE all-atoning sacrifice belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (for us) and certainly not to a "Roman Catholic priest" who would sacrifice our Lord over & over & over again, whether bloody or unbloody. All Christian disciples drank of the cup; all Christian disciples partook of the staff of life. And all without ever having heard of a "Roman Catholic church," or a RC "papacy," or a "sacrifice of a mass." And the Lord Jesus was quite explicit when He said, "Do this in REMEMBRANCE of Me." If it's done "in REMEMBRANCE" of Jesus, it's plainly a MEMORIAL. In order for a Memorial to be a Memorial, the subject has to be ABSENT. If He's physically absent at Communion, He's not physically present. Calvary had to occur only ONE time. Why keep sacrificing Him - bloody or bloodless - at any RC altar? All we desire is biblical rationale. It must be too much to ask. Thank You, Lord Jesus, for dying only once & giving us everlasting salvation thru the blood of Your cross! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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