Gog and Magog

[Guest shadow2b]

(Quote from Shadow on August 1 at 2:58am:)

heyyyyyy C4 Bro. uhhhhhh??? yeah --EDOM & MOAB could be included in JORDAN now---interesting??

BUT IT'S REV.9-vss.14 & 15---NOT Chpt.10--there ain't but 11 verses in chpt.10--you silly buoy you-----

haaaaaaa--gotcha----

HEY Bro. in rev,9.vss.15.thru.18----states---by the three was the third part of men killed,by the fire,and by the smoke, and by the brimstone,which issued out of their mouths. also there are 200 hundred thousand men killed which sounds like a war with helicopter gun ships firing rockets {out of their mouths & tails????} doesn't it???-hmmmmm???? interesting----

in rev.9.vss.14-15-----angels is defined as[strong's] gr.32---AGGELOS--[to bring tidings] a messenger

an angel--by impl.a pastor--angel ,messenger---

gr.34-AGELE--a drove--herd--

gr.36-AGENES-without kin--i.e.-[of unknown descent-and by impl] ignoble--base things--

Most interesting definitions huh???

OH yeah---- what about the {time sequence??} "when" are the four angels "loosed" from the EUPHRATES????? "WHEN" does/did the clock start ticking??? "WHO" is holding the clock??? OR

"WHAT" event starts the clock ticking?????

COME ON NOW BRO. SPLAIN--SPLAIN--SPLAIN---ANSWER--ANSWER--ANSWER--????????---Haaaaa---

LOVE YA-BROTHER------------------------Gary---

[Crusader4Christ]

Quote from Shadow:

Heyyyyyyy Bro..--yepppppp--ya got me back---200,000,000---NOT 200,000-- NOW yer really gonna get "IT" ya--little--????? ooopppppssss----down boy--whoa-boy----wheewwww man am i ever glad i catched my self----almos lost "IT" haaaaa--joke bro----ok back to the problem at hand----

NOW jesssss a cotton-pickin-minute bro..... YOU started this thread din't ya???? YOU errrr sposed to KNOW the answers you silly guy you----

OKAY---the ANGEL looses the four angels in the EUPHRATES--BUT??----WE gotta get them--thar "ANSWERS" & you is sposed ta be the answer man---ain't ya??????

there has to be answers IN GOD'S WORD somewhere--HE states HE will do NOTHING before HE TELLS HIS prophets--that means{ US--HIS PEOPLE} I hope----

NOW come-on BRO. get ta studyinUP on these hyar things------GOD-BLESS-------Gary-----

Okay okay Shadow. Settle down. I'm trying. I ain't no resident theologian, like

Blindseeker or Dr.Luke.

Me know answers? Only the Lord knows the answers. I just relay them.

Anyways, back to the discussion at hand.

Yes, the angel, the one with the sixth trumpet, is ordered by God to set loose

these four angels bound in the Euphrates River. These angels could be four

demons, who kill 1/3 of the human race. These also could be angels, who come to execute judgment. This is debatable.

Revelation 9:16-17

"And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand

thousand: and I heard the number of them."

"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and heads of the horses

were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke

and brimstone."

Now, we can interpret this as modern day men ( possibly the army of China),

riding on tanks (horses), but how can tanks have as heads as lions? Unless it

had a crest of a lion on it ( which seems very strange ), that would not make

sense.

There are afew possibilities on who these people could be.

1) The riders on the red horses Zechariah 1:8-11

2) The mighty nation/ God's army Joel 1:6; Joel 2:2-9

3) The locusts that come from the pit Revelation 9:1-11

These COULD be possibilities. Probably doubtful, but you never know.

The last one looks like the most unlikely, but I count it as an IF anyways. The

200 000 000 riders could possibly be number 1).

God bless you all.

[be joyful]

Let us do a study on Gog and Magog. I believe this is also a very interesting

topic. First let us begin on who Gog and Magog are.

Well, in Genesis 10, Magog is described as a son of Japheth.

Genesis 10:2

"The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and

Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras."

Now you might ask, what does this have to do with the Gog and Magog described in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Well, let's find out.

Ezekiel 38:2

"Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the

chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,"

(KJV)

Now, we see that the Magog found in Genesis 10 is the father [ founder] of this land. Since we know this, we can say that this land is caucasian [ white-

skined men ]. Why? Japheth is the father of white men. So this eliminates any other land other than a white man's land.

I believe this land is present-day Russia. How? Well, if you look at a globe, in

Russia, you will find the city called "Tobolsk", and "Moscow". Compare them to

the Biblical names Tubal and Meshech, and you will see a resemlance. Of course, these names did go through a few name transformations, but that is

a whole other post.

Now, read the NASB version of Ezekiel 38:2.

Ezekiel 38:2

"Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the

prince of ROSH, Meschech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,"

(NASB)

In the NASB, it says Rosh as well. Now, what country does Rosh sound

almost exact to? Russia. Of course, the name went through a few name transformations [ a whole other post as well] before it became Russia, but you

can see how they resemble each other so much.

Okay. We have solved that mystery, now we must identify who Gog is. Well, we must go to Ezekiel 38:3 to find out who or what Gog is.

Ezekiel 38:3

"And say, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:"

(KJV)

Okay, it says Gog is not a country, but a Chief Prince. It also says it is a

Chief Prince of Meshech ( Moscow ), and Tubal ( Tobolsk ).

Now, let's read the NASB version of Ezekiel 38:3.

Ezekiel 38:3

"And say, Thus says the Lord God, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog,

Prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal."

(NASB)

The NASB version also says Prince. But, it seems that it is the Prince of Rosh ( Russia ), Meschech ( Moscow ), and Tubal ( Tobolsk ). If this is

correct, Gog is the Chief Prince of Russia, Moscow, and Tobolsk.

However, what is a Chief Prince?

Let's define Prince:

1. A nonreigning member of the Royal Family.

2. Male monarch or sovereign.

3. The son of a sovereign or of a son of the sovereign.

4. One of a high order and nobility.

5. The ruler of a small state.

6. One of the highest rank of any class

We know it can't be definition #1, #2 or #3, for it [the Bible] says nothing about these. Definition #6 looks doubtful as well. So we have either defintion #4 or #5. Number #5 is the most likely in this case.

Now, let's define Chief:

1. The person highest in rank or authority, as the leader or head of a tribe, band, police force, government bureau, etc.

2. A ship's chief engineer; also, a chief petty officer.

3. A boss; Having the highest authority: commander in chief;

This can be Definition #1, but not #2, and it can be #3.

So, if we were to put Chief and Prince together, we would have the highest

ranking ruler of the state, or, King.

Comments anyone?

But if the BIBLE Says that Gog is God's enemy, then Gog must be a Dark Prince, Right?

[Guest Duane]

Why are we looking for Gog and Magog now? I thought they came after the millenial kingdom, at the end of the 1000 year reign.

It does.

So all this speculation is futile, a pure waste of time and effort.

[Guest shadow2b]

Why are we looking for Gog and Magog now?  I thought they came after the millenial kingdom, at the end of the 1000 year reign.

It does.

So all this speculation is futile, a pure waste of time and effort.

So all this speculation is futile, a pure waste of time and effort.

NO young man IT ISNOT futile ,mere speculation, NOR is IT a waste of TIME-----SOME would call "IT" teaching,learning,exploring possibilities,seeking,knocking----but you sir doNOT have to waste "YOUR" most valuable time on this thread & since "YOU" didNOT contribute anything but a wasting of your time--you do have the option of trying another thread that wouldNOT waste your most valuable time & just might spark a desire to LEARN or possibly even TEACH something worth your most valuable time to be involved in--------

_______Gary--

[Crusader4Christ]

Duane is a young man?

[Guest Duane]

Duane is a young man?

Young at heart, anyway.