Guest jckduboise Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 hrrmmm... i can see the confusion hahaha.... because of our confusion we should see if we can get a Mod to delete the last 5 posts lol hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2006 If you don't know Trinity. Test the spirit. We are to test them. If they are of God they will remain if not they will flee. simple as that.. Amen. It is not through man's concept and ways that we know but through the Holy Spirit. We can know from God what is false and true. Prayer is the key to this when there is doubt. Trinity, a person does not prove they are a prophet of God as a teacher proves that he/she has a degree in education or that an engineer is certified in their field. Everyone of us is called to work for the Lord's vineyard (matthew 20:1) and be faithful with the talents (Matthew 25:14) He has given us. To know whether what a servant is doing is of the master or not, all you need to do is go to the master. This is how we will know the false spirits from the true spirits. Just as Jackie mentioned we are to test the spirit (1 John 1:4). 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 (New King James Version) 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. According to the Bible, as Trinity quoted, a prophet DOES have to prove he is a prophet. Not to man or anyone else. It is God who makes a prophet a prophet and the one who proves someone to be a prophet...not man. Kerdos, if you reference the bible you have to provide a verse also... The prophet him/herself does not prove him/herself. We can know by the fruits and testing of the spirit. That is why Jeremiah 28:9 says 'recognize'...it is the people who recognize that a person is a true prophet by seeing their predictions come to pass. The prophet is not required to prove him/herself to man...man can know by the Spirit of God whether they are truly sent from God. For one, scripture was referenced by Trinity. Secondly...well...I'll let scripture speak for itself: If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 13:1-3 20'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 88:20-22 As for Jeremiah, the reason Israel is told to recognize is that Jeremiah had already proven he was of God, that he was a legitimate prophet. The fact is, prophets are to be tested, as proven scripturally. Too often in America we want the sensational and the supernatural and thus accept prophecies almost without any skepitism or scrutiny. We forget that it is these very things we are to be skeptical of and test. How ironic that we question the intentions of those who choose to give to the poor (which we are not told to test th eintentions, simply to allow it) but welcome with open arms anyone who claims to have a prophecy (though we are told to test such things). I do believe we have our values backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 it really is too bad that people fear visions, dreams and prophesy as much today as they did in the biblical days..in fact those who had these gifts were killed for speaking against the people. Surprised it doesn't happen here. She showed her vision and then state "this is what I BELIEVE the Lord is telling me" not THIS IS WHAT THE LORD SAYS so she did not presume to be speaking for the Lord. She went on to point out scripture with interpretation. I saw nothing that said she was claiming prophesy.. testing the person in such a situation would not be suitable since what is showing her this is spirit of some sort either the Spirit of God or a spirit of satan, the deceicer. So you ARE WRONG the spirit is the tested. The prophesy of today is just as relevant as they were yesterday, because God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. But so are people, especially those who are being deceived and there are many who are, including yourself it seems. Or do you really believe in it and are just testing the spirit in which Swarna is sharing for with us? People wake up, we are there. There are not many more chances before we see the tribulation and Christ's return...it is time to rebuke the spirit in which you are allowing to blind you and deafen you. People are going to get caught with their pants down very soon and then they will remember all of this and regret the disbelief.. In Him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2006 it really is too bad that people fear visions, dreams and prophesy as much today as they did in the biblical days..in fact those who had these gifts were killed for speaking against the people. Surprised it doesn't happen here. She showed her vision and then state "this is what I BELIEVE the Lord is telling me" not THIS IS WHAT THE LORD SAYS so she did not presume to be speaking for the Lord. She went on to point out scripture with interpretation. I saw nothing that said she was claiming prophesy.. testing the person in such a situation would not be suitable since what is showing her this is spirit of some sort either the Spirit of God or a spirit of satan, the deceicer. So you ARE WRONG the spirit is the tested. The prophesy of today is just as relevant as they were yesterday, because God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. But so are people, especially those who are being deceived and there are many who are, including yourself it seems. Or do you really believe in it and are just testing the spirit in which Swarna is sharing for with us? People wake up, we are there. There are not many more chances before we see the tribulation and Christ's return...it is time to rebuke the spirit in which you are allowing to blind you and deafen you. People are going to get caught with their pants down very soon and then they will remember all of this and regret the disbelief.. In Him It is too bad that people, when faced with scripture, would then choose to ignore it and go back to their initial feelings. It is also too bad that they have no discernment in matters and are unwilling to test such prophecies and are subsequently easily led into false beliefs. Not accusing our friend of this, I am merely syaing that if you are so critical of those that are critical, you end up with a great heart but a misled mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Perhaps AP, and I do not disregard scripture...there is the physical and there is the spiritual..I live in the spiritual. All we are and all the exists around us that we cannot see belongs to the spirit world..we are put into a shell that makes us appear physical, but in truth we are of the Spirit of God therefore our true existance is spirit. Testing the prophesies, visions and dreams is testing the spirit in which it came to us.... I do not go on initial feelings but the reality in which God has formed us. He breaths the breath of life into all of us, hence His Spirit..therefore we are SPIRIT..not a feeling sir, a fact...that sir, is true discernment. When a person can bring the Spirit of Life into scripture then they are truly looking at God and His word. And as Micen2 said without the Spirit scripture is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2006 Perhaps AP, and I do not disregard scripture...there is the physical and there is the spiritual..I live in the spiritual. All we are and all the exists around us that we cannot see belongs to the spirit world..we are put into a shell that makes us appear physical, but in truth we are of the Spirit of God therefore our true existance is spirit. Testing the prophesies, visions and dreams is testing the spirit in which it came to us.... I do not go on initial feelings but the reality in which God has formed us. He breaths the breath of life into all of us, hence His Spirit..therefore we are SPIRIT..not a feeling sir, a fact...that sir, is true discernment. When a person can bring the Spirit of Life into scripture then they are truly looking at God and His word. And as Micen2 said without the Spirit scripture is dead. No, we live in the physical. Jesus was physical. I am physical. I eat. I stink when I sweat. I need sleep. I use the restroom. I am a physical being who also has a spirit. The spirit world is not higher, it is equal with the physical world. Both were created by God, and if the physical world is leser than the spirital world then God is not worthy of praise or anything and is in fact quite an idiot; why would He place us in physical bodies if we were meant to be spiritual beings? WHy would He give us new bodies if we are to become spiritual beings? Like I said, if your belief is true, then God really didn't think this one through. Just so you know, what you just said is Gnostic...which is a highly dangerous belief. You are STILL ignoring scripture...if we aren't suppose to question the spirit then why did God tell us to? Oh well, so here's what i have to say: Jesus is actually a purple lizard that came to earth to teach us all to eat plants. He didn't die on a cross, just decided to go somewhere warmer for the winter. The spirit led me to this.....by your belief you shouldn't question what I just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Perhaps AP, and I do not disregard scripture...there is the physical and there is the spiritual..I live in the spiritual. All we are and all the exists around us that we cannot see belongs to the spirit world..we are put into a shell that makes us appear physical, but in truth we are of the Spirit of God therefore our true existance is spirit. Testing the prophesies, visions and dreams is testing the spirit in which it came to us.... I do not go on initial feelings but the reality in which God has formed us. He breaths the breath of life into all of us, hence His Spirit..therefore we are SPIRIT..not a feeling sir, a fact...that sir, is true discernment. When a person can bring the Spirit of Life into scripture then they are truly looking at God and His word. And as Micen2 said without the Spirit scripture is dead. No, we live in the physical. Jesus was physical. I am physical. I eat. I stink when I sweat. I need sleep. I use the restroom. I am a physical being who also has a spirit. The spirit world is not higher, it is equal with the physical world. Both were created by God, and if the physical world is leser than the spirital world then God is not worthy of praise or anything and is in fact quite an idiot; why would He place us in physical bodies if we were meant to be spiritual beings? WHy would He give us new bodies if we are to become spiritual beings? Like I said, if your belief is true, then God really didn't think this one through. Just so you know, what you just said is Gnostic...which is a highly dangerous belief. You are STILL ignoring scripture...if we aren't suppose to question the spirit then why did God tell us to? Oh well, so here's what i have to say: Jesus is actually a purple lizard that came to earth to teach us all to eat plants. He didn't die on a cross, just decided to go somewhere warmer for the winter. The spirit led me to this.....by your belief you shouldn't question what I just said. absolutely I would question what you just said. But why would I? You are physical so I ask the physical person I am speaking to, when you die do you (the true you) just rot away with the rest of your dead corpse? No, You leave your physical SHELL and ascend to heaven. Jesus appeared in the physical, but He did not live a physical LIFE but a spiritual life. All that He said and did was regarding the Spirit of God because beyond this brief moment in time is true LIFE which IS spiritual..Gnostic my foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2006 Perhaps AP, and I do not disregard scripture...there is the physical and there is the spiritual..I live in the spiritual. All we are and all the exists around us that we cannot see belongs to the spirit world..we are put into a shell that makes us appear physical, but in truth we are of the Spirit of God therefore our true existance is spirit. Testing the prophesies, visions and dreams is testing the spirit in which it came to us.... I do not go on initial feelings but the reality in which God has formed us. He breaths the breath of life into all of us, hence His Spirit..therefore we are SPIRIT..not a feeling sir, a fact...that sir, is true discernment. When a person can bring the Spirit of Life into scripture then they are truly looking at God and His word. And as Micen2 said without the Spirit scripture is dead. No, we live in the physical. Jesus was physical. I am physical. I eat. I stink when I sweat. I need sleep. I use the restroom. I am a physical being who also has a spirit. The spirit world is not higher, it is equal with the physical world. Both were created by God, and if the physical world is leser than the spirital world then God is not worthy of praise or anything and is in fact quite an idiot; why would He place us in physical bodies if we were meant to be spiritual beings? WHy would He give us new bodies if we are to become spiritual beings? Like I said, if your belief is true, then God really didn't think this one through. Just so you know, what you just said is Gnostic...which is a highly dangerous belief. You are STILL ignoring scripture...if we aren't suppose to question the spirit then why did God tell us to? Oh well, so here's what i have to say: Jesus is actually a purple lizard that came to earth to teach us all to eat plants. He didn't die on a cross, just decided to go somewhere warmer for the winter. The spirit led me to this.....by your belief you shouldn't question what I just said. absolutely I would question what you just said. But why would I? You are physical so I ask the physical person I am speaking to, when you die do you (the true you) just rot away with the rest of your dead corpse? No, You leave your physical SHELL and ascend to heaven. Jesus appeared in the physical, but He did not live a physical LIFE but a spiritual life. All that He said and did was regarding the Spirit of God because beyond this brief moment in time is true LIFE which IS spiritual..Gnostic my foot. How do you know I'm physical? I claimed it was in the spirit. What right do you have to question that, you're questioning the spirit that sent me. Under what authority can you do such a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Perhaps AP, and I do not disregard scripture...there is the physical and there is the spiritual..I live in the spiritual. All we are and all the exists around us that we cannot see belongs to the spirit world..we are put into a shell that makes us appear physical, but in truth we are of the Spirit of God therefore our true existance is spirit. Testing the prophesies, visions and dreams is testing the spirit in which it came to us.... I do not go on initial feelings but the reality in which God has formed us. He breaths the breath of life into all of us, hence His Spirit..therefore we are SPIRIT..not a feeling sir, a fact...that sir, is true discernment. When a person can bring the Spirit of Life into scripture then they are truly looking at God and His word. And as Micen2 said without the Spirit scripture is dead. No, we live in the physical. Jesus was physical. I am physical. I eat. I stink when I sweat. I need sleep. I use the restroom. I am a physical being who also has a spirit. The spirit world is not higher, it is equal with the physical world. Both were created by God, and if the physical world is leser than the spirital world then God is not worthy of praise or anything and is in fact quite an idiot; why would He place us in physical bodies if we were meant to be spiritual beings? WHy would He give us new bodies if we are to become spiritual beings? Like I said, if your belief is true, then God really didn't think this one through. Just so you know, what you just said is Gnostic...which is a highly dangerous belief. You are STILL ignoring scripture...if we aren't suppose to question the spirit then why did God tell us to? Oh well, so here's what i have to say: Jesus is actually a purple lizard that came to earth to teach us all to eat plants. He didn't die on a cross, just decided to go somewhere warmer for the winter. The spirit led me to this.....by your belief you shouldn't question what I just said. absolutely I would question what you just said. But why would I? You are physical so I ask the physical person I am speaking to, when you die do you (the true you) just rot away with the rest of your dead corpse? No, You leave your physical SHELL and ascend to heaven. Jesus appeared in the physical, but He did not live a physical LIFE but a spiritual life. All that He said and did was regarding the Spirit of God because beyond this brief moment in time is true LIFE which IS spiritual..Gnostic my foot. How do you know I'm physical? I claimed it was in the spirit. What right do you have to question that, you're questioning the spirit that sent me. Under what authority can you do such a thing? Well because you told me "I am physical"..read your own words..you gave me that right when you claimed it. Sir. I did not question your spirit I questioned your physical.. Physical is temporary, spirit is eternal..which is it AP are you physical or are you spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2006 Perhaps AP, and I do not disregard scripture...there is the physical and there is the spiritual..I live in the spiritual. All we are and all the exists around us that we cannot see belongs to the spirit world..we are put into a shell that makes us appear physical, but in truth we are of the Spirit of God therefore our true existance is spirit. Testing the prophesies, visions and dreams is testing the spirit in which it came to us.... I do not go on initial feelings but the reality in which God has formed us. He breaths the breath of life into all of us, hence His Spirit..therefore we are SPIRIT..not a feeling sir, a fact...that sir, is true discernment. When a person can bring the Spirit of Life into scripture then they are truly looking at God and His word. And as Micen2 said without the Spirit scripture is dead. No, we live in the physical. Jesus was physical. I am physical. I eat. I stink when I sweat. I need sleep. I use the restroom. I am a physical being who also has a spirit. The spirit world is not higher, it is equal with the physical world. Both were created by God, and if the physical world is leser than the spirital world then God is not worthy of praise or anything and is in fact quite an idiot; why would He place us in physical bodies if we were meant to be spiritual beings? WHy would He give us new bodies if we are to become spiritual beings? Like I said, if your belief is true, then God really didn't think this one through. Just so you know, what you just said is Gnostic...which is a highly dangerous belief. You are STILL ignoring scripture...if we aren't suppose to question the spirit then why did God tell us to? Oh well, so here's what i have to say: Jesus is actually a purple lizard that came to earth to teach us all to eat plants. He didn't die on a cross, just decided to go somewhere warmer for the winter. The spirit led me to this.....by your belief you shouldn't question what I just said. absolutely I would question what you just said. But why would I? You are physical so I ask the physical person I am speaking to, when you die do you (the true you) just rot away with the rest of your dead corpse? No, You leave your physical SHELL and ascend to heaven. Jesus appeared in the physical, but He did not live a physical LIFE but a spiritual life. All that He said and did was regarding the Spirit of God because beyond this brief moment in time is true LIFE which IS spiritual..Gnostic my foot. How do you know I'm physical? I claimed it was in the spirit. What right do you have to question that, you're questioning the spirit that sent me. Under what authority can you do such a thing? Well because you told me "I am physical"..read your own words..you gave me that right when you claimed it. Sir. I did not question your spirit I questioned your physical.. Physical is temporary, spirit is eternal..which is it AP are you physical or are you spirit? Spirit, I momentarily spoke in the flesh. I am spiritual though, and the Spirit has told me that Jesus was a purple lizard. How can you invalidate what I am saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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