st. Worm Posted June 23, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,447 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2006 Smalcald quote: As far as God's goodness it is not His goodness that is in question, it is our evil natures and almost continual rebellion against God that is the problem. Did Christ die in vain? Do we now denigrate His sacrifice by simply saying, "I'm okay your okay"? God has given us every chance, and indeed those stories we worry about; the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the coming wrath of God when the world ends, are there not to show God's horrible nature, but to show us what we have done to this earth, yet even after all of that we have a Savior who will protect those who call on Him and love Him, a Savior who died for us each individually. Saintworm: That's right. The question is not why God allows hardship and difficulty. The real question is why He saves anyone at all. People who don't believe God causes or allows pain and difficulty in the world would most likely have walked by the Crucifixion thinking that God had nothing to do with it. Its the highest degree of faith to trust in a God who saves so few while allowing even more to perish in their sins. However Smalcald, I don't know if I agree that the world is more barbaric today than in the past. We get exposed to much more now due to the fact the world is so connected with media but the world has been an ugly place since the Fall. When Christians were used as human torches in the gardens of the Roman emperor its hard to say things weren't pretty harsh back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark777 Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 416 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 And...yea...He flooded the whole world because of evilness! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 Personally, I simply BELIEVE it. There are millions of things in life I cannot understand. However because a thing transcends my reason doesn't mean that it contradicts my reason. I recently read that ten out of two people are dyslexic (I guess I'll NEVER understand THAT! Who might?) Seriously tho, again I state that I BELIEVE and with faith believing I hear Jesus' Own words, "If you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sins." The Holy trinity is the Creator God's way of personally revealing Himself in three Personalities, Each co-existent, Each all-powerful and Each fully God. NOT "three Gods'; ONE God revealed in three Personalities. Yea, "Great is the mystery of Godliness." P.S. Actually, the Holy Bible speaks of SEVEN "mysteries." The best advice is to go on line to WWW.JESUS.CALM AMEN & AMEN! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com With all due respect, Arthur, the Trinity is not 3 "Personalities", but rather 3 PERSONS. Peace, Fiosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st. Worm Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,447 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 Not wanting to hi-jack the thread but after reading some posts I can't help but make an observation. A lot of posters that I recall openly opposing the work of God through the sacraments because it is not logical and somewhat irrational are willing to embrace the Trinity even though acknowledging it can't be reasoned out nor understood by men. Perhaps there is hope yet! SW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark777 Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 416 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 st. worm: "A lot of posters that I recall openly opposing the work of God through the sacraments because it is not logical and somewhat irrational are willing to embrace the Trinity even though acknowledging it can't be reasoned out nor understood by men. " Mark777: Would you explain further, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Not wanting to hi-jack the thread but after reading some posts I can't help but make an observation. A lot of posters that I recall openly opposing the work of God through the sacraments because it is not logical and somewhat irrational are willing to embrace the Trinity even though acknowledging it can't be reasoned out nor understood by men. Perhaps there is hope yet! SW Then please do NOT hi-jack the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted June 24, 2006 st. worm: "A lot of posters that I recall openly opposing the work of God through the sacraments because it is not logical and somewhat irrational are willing to embrace the Trinity even though acknowledging it can't be reasoned out nor understood by men. " Mark777: Would you explain further, please? Explain by PM please. Leave this thread alone. It is not the time or place for a Catholic apologetics discussion...please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark777 Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 416 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 Sure! I detect past history! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germanJoy Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 97 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 (edited) Not wanting to hi-jack the thread but after reading some posts I can't help but make an observation. A lot of posters that I recall openly opposing the work of God through the sacraments because it is not logical and somewhat irrational are willing to embrace the Trinity even though acknowledging it can't be reasoned out nor understood by men. Perhaps there is hope yet! SW SW, in the spirit of love and gentleness, I have to say that when I decided to become an apologetic of Trinity, I needed to renounce my Catholic faith. The doctrine of Trinity upholds One God in three Persons, not four or more (as how Catholics would view it). In the agape love of Christ, germanJoy Edited June 24, 2006 by germanJoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st. Worm Posted June 24, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,447 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2006 Sent you a PM Joy. BTW, I am not a Roman Catholic. sw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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