Ovedya Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 19, 2006 God will use any willing vessel; man, woman, donkey. Then donkeys can be pastors too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 19, 2006 What makes this board any different than a regular assembly? Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children? Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board? Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here. jamie, I would say this board is not the same as a church, where the preaching of the Word occurs and where the Sacraments are properly administered. The church, not worthy boards, is the bride of Christ. blessings, sw The church is the gathering together of all those who were "called out" of the world. We are the "called out ones." Any gathering together of the saints in God's household is where the church is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero's Fiddle Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 328 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 What makes this board any different than a regular assembly? Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children? Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board? Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here. I actually posted an answer to this earlier in the topic. Basically, this board is a place for discussion among Christians of equal status, with none having a higher spiritual authority than another. The only authority difference you could claim would be "admins", "mods", etc. However, this is not the same concept as a spiritual authority like that of Pastor, which the Bible reserves for men. If the head janitor at your church building was a female, this would not violate the Biblical principle. If your Pastor was a female it would. It is the same concept here. I posted several Bible passages dealing with the fact that women are not prohibited in any way from talking about Christ with men, but that they most certainly are prohibited from being Pastors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 What makes this board any different than a regular assembly? Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children? Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board? Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here. I actually posted an answer to this earlier in the topic. Basically, this board is a place for discussion among Christians of equal status, with none having a higher spiritual authority than another. The only authority difference you could claim would be "admins", "mods", etc. However, this is not the same concept as a spiritual authority like that of Pastor, which the Bible reserves for men. If the head janitor at your church building was a female, this would not violate the Biblical principle. If your Pastor was a female it would. It is the same concept here. I posted several Bible passages dealing with the fact that women are not prohibited in any way from talking about Christ with men, but that they most certainly are prohibited from being Pastors. Exactly. It seems some here are having difficulty distinguishing between general authority and spiritual authority. The two places that women are not to hold authority over men are in the home and in the church. Thus, women can hold positions of authority in the workplace, etc. God will use any willing vessel; man, woman, donkey. Actually, God uses vessels for His purposes..often whether they are willing or not. However, He never contradicts Himself or His own Word in order to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 19, 2006 What makes this board any different than a regular assembly? Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children? Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board? Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here. I actually posted an answer to this earlier in the topic. Basically, this board is a place for discussion among Christians of equal status, with none having a higher spiritual authority than another. The only authority difference you could claim would be "admins", "mods", etc. However, this is not the same concept as a spiritual authority like that of Pastor, which the Bible reserves for men. If the head janitor at your church building was a female, this would not violate the Biblical principle. If your Pastor was a female it would. It is the same concept here. I posted several Bible passages dealing with the fact that women are not prohibited in any way from talking about Christ with men, but that they most certainly are prohibited from being Pastors. Exactly. It seems some here are having difficulty distinguishing between general authority and spiritual authority. The two places that women are not to hold authority over men are in the home and in the church. Thus, women can hold positions of authority in the workplace, etc. God will use any willing vessel; man, woman, donkey. Actually, God uses vessels for His purposes..often whether they are willing or not. However, He never contradicts Himself or His own Word in order to do so sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 What makes this board any different than a regular assembly? Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children? Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board? Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here. I actually posted an answer to this earlier in the topic. Basically, this board is a place for discussion among Christians of equal status, with none having a higher spiritual authority than another. The only authority difference you could claim would be "admins", "mods", etc. However, this is not the same concept as a spiritual authority like that of Pastor, which the Bible reserves for men. If the head janitor at your church building was a female, this would not violate the Biblical principle. If your Pastor was a female it would. It is the same concept here. I posted several Bible passages dealing with the fact that women are not prohibited in any way from talking about Christ with men, but that they most certainly are prohibited from being Pastors. Exactly. It seems some here are having difficulty distinguishing between general authority and spiritual authority. The two places that women are not to hold authority over men are in the home and in the church. Thus, women can hold positions of authority in the workplace, etc. God will use any willing vessel; man, woman, donkey. Actually, God uses vessels for His purposes..often whether they are willing or not. However, He never contradicts Himself or His own Word in order to do so sheesh! Should I take "sheesh!" to mean you agree or disagree? If you disagree, could you explain your reasons why and where you think my belief is in error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 What makes this board any different than a regular assembly? Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children? Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board? Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here. jamie, I would say this board is not the same as a church, where the preaching of the Word occurs and where the Sacraments are properly administered. The church, not worthy boards, is the bride of Christ. blessings, sw This board is a 'gathering' place which is set up with authority. And the preaching of the word does occur here. I still say according to some of the beliefs here (even by the woman) that the woman are out of line by holding positions of authority over the men. This isn't my personal belief, I just feel people need to practice what they preach. this place is not the Church People here though are the church, the body of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 The church is the gathering together of all those who were "called out" of the world. We are the "called out ones." Any gathering together of the saints in God's household is where the church is. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18 speaking of wives submitting to husbands, 1 Peter 2:13 speaking of Christians submitting to the laws of man, and James 4:7 speaking of sinning Christians submitting to God all use the following word: hupotasso: to subordinate; refl. to obey:--- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, be in subjection, submit self unto. Moreover, in 1 Peter 3 wives are instructed to submit to their husbands "Even as Sara obeyed Abraham." This word is not hupotasso, but rather another word, hupakoe, translated many, many times as "obey". In fact, it is the same word translated "obey" in Colossians 3:20 and 22, the first telling children to obey their parents, the second telling servants to obey their masters. I don't know how to explain your statement except to think that you simply were mistaken or misinformed. The Greek most definitely instructs women to obey their husbands, http://www.christian-thinktank.com/not2obey.html did/does God order wives to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 ...but her obedience to him doesn't hinge on his obedience to the Lord. That's why I say we should each focus on our own roles and our own responsibility to obey...instead of trying to use someone else's disobedience (or potential for it) as an excuse for our own disobedience. In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. 1. Could you provide proof for this statement (in bold)? 2. Do you read, speak and write Koine Greek? Or are you referring to a lexicon or concordance? 3. What is your interpretation of 1 Peter 3:1? 4. What is your definition of "subjection" and/or "submit"? And where did you get your definition? 5. How does obedience differ from subjection (if it does)? http://www.christian-thinktank.com/not2obey.html did/does God order wives to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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