Guest man Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 The statement that Catholics believe that Mary was sinless and a perpetual virgin are accurate. The statement that " catholics do not believe that the Bible is complete enough to stand on its own merit." is misleading. So you believe that Mary was a virgin until death? Didn't she have other children? And what is misleading about the bible statement? Do you not teach doctrine other than the bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2006 The council of Nicaea stated that the veneration ( NOT worship) of icons was ok. In context, this means that I can look upon a picture and ponder the truth it represents. I can, for instance, look upon a painting of Mary holding the Baby Jesus and wonder at the mystery of the Incarnation. The term economy comes from the Greek "oikonomia" meaning management or stewardship. Sacred images are based on the Incarnation of the Word. Since God became man, we can worship Him in the Person of Jesus Christ. How did this council come to be? And who gave them authority over the Word of God? The Seventh Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church, was held in 787 in response to the Iconoclastic heresy. Councils do not have "authority over the Word of God". They interpret the Word of God, much like the Supreme Court is meant to interpret the Constitution. Which verse did they use concerning the veneration of "icons"? Generally speaking, councils do not develop doctrine and judgements based on "a verse". It is the result of prayerful consideration of Scripture and oral history past down from the early Church. I'll try to find some specific info on this particular council for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 29, 2006 Do Catholics believe Jesus is the only way to heaven? ( I think I already know the answer) I love my Catholic friends and I love Mel Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemus Prime Posted September 29, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 462 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1981 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Actually, last time I checked they do, yes! Excellent job with this btw, Fiosh. Blessings, A.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2006 Do Catholics believe Jesus is the only way to heaven? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! (edited by moderator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2006 Do Catholics believe Jesus is the only way to heaven? ( I think I already know the answer) I love my Catholic friends and I love Mel Gibson. And, I love my non-Catholic friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 veneration means to show devotion and respect. For example we can venerate our elderly parents. worship is adoration and honor reserved for God alone. Look up "worship", you find "veneration". Look up "veneration", you find "worship". The words have the same meaning. Words have many meanings. We use them as I indicated. We worship God alone. But they still mean the same thing. There is no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 29, 2006 I knew that. Just wanted to ask. Thanks Fiosh. I think there are quite a lot of things separating Protestants from Catholics but what unites us, a belief in Jesus Christ as Saviour, should be paramount. I do have another question. I know you believe that the wine at communion actually turns into Christ's blood somehow (which I dont' beleive) but have there ever been any scientific studies to show this to be true? At what point does it actually turn into blood? In the mouth? In the intestines? Know what I mean? I don't mean to be sarcastic btw. Is this belief based on scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 30, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 30, 2006 veneration means to show devotion and respect. For example we can venerate our elderly parents. worship is adoration and honor reserved for God alone. Look up "worship", you find "veneration". Look up "veneration", you find "worship". The words have the same meaning. Words have many meanings. We use them as I indicated. We worship God alone. But they still mean the same thing. There is no difference. I have shown that the RCC teaches that we worship God alone. I've explained how those 2 words are used and understood in Catholic theology. You may choose to disagree, but I'm not going to argue semantics with you as we'll just go around in a circle and both get dizzy. Peace, Fiosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Generally speaking, councils do not develop doctrine and judgements based on "a verse". It is the result of prayerful consideration of Scripture and oral history past down from the early Church. I'll try to find some specific info on this particular council for you. Can you provide the scripture they were considering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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