apothanein kerdos Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 4, 2006 There is almost nothing in common with the gnostic view of the creation. There is everything in common. It teaches that the soul is immortal and part of a bigger substance or something close to these lines. For example, it teaches a pre-existing spirit that inhabits a fallen body which is then meant for testing and then escape from the fallen body. This is Gnosticism summed up when it comes to the creation of the world mate. Im not excactly sure what you mean by the soul but we believe we will never cease to exist as I'm sure you do. we dont believe in being part of a bigger substance. after we die we are resurrected and our bodies are perfect. I dont know where you get the escaping from a fallen body part. You're missing the point, your original view is of a pre-existing universe and pre-existing spirits, thus creating a Gnostic view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckles Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 217 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 4, 2006 There is almost nothing in common with the gnostic view of the creation. There is everything in common. It teaches that the soul is immortal and part of a bigger substance or something close to these lines. For example, it teaches a pre-existing spirit that inhabits a fallen body which is then meant for testing and then escape from the fallen body. This is Gnosticism summed up when it comes to the creation of the world mate. Im not excactly sure what you mean by the soul but we believe we will never cease to exist as I'm sure you do. we dont believe in being part of a bigger substance. after we die we are resurrected and our bodies are perfect. I dont know where you get the escaping from a fallen body part. You're missing the point, your original view is of a pre-existing universe and pre-existing spirits, thus creating a Gnostic view. could you explain this furhter please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 4, 2006 Just a note from the mod team. Any mormon must be able to defend their belief system from the Bible alone. They may not use the book of Mormon or any other texts that are unique to the church of LDS. Our statement of Faith here at Worthy says this: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. Because we believe this, we also believe that every truth claim must be fully defendable from this source. For that reason we do not allow people to use other sources to justify their belief system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 4, 2006 There is almost nothing in common with the gnostic view of the creation. There is everything in common. It teaches that the soul is immortal and part of a bigger substance or something close to these lines. For example, it teaches a pre-existing spirit that inhabits a fallen body which is then meant for testing and then escape from the fallen body. This is Gnosticism summed up when it comes to the creation of the world mate. Im not excactly sure what you mean by the soul but we believe we will never cease to exist as I'm sure you do. we dont believe in being part of a bigger substance. after we die we are resurrected and our bodies are perfect. I dont know where you get the escaping from a fallen body part. You're missing the point, your original view is of a pre-existing universe and pre-existing spirits, thus creating a Gnostic view. could you explain this furhter please? The "Christian" Gnostics taught that the universe and spiritual world were pre-existant (eternal). A fallen Aeon (a force of God that takes on its own personality) created the world and trapped souls inside bodies. The world, all the physical material, to a Gnostic is evil. The way to salvation is through a "secret knowledge" and transcending our flesh in order to free our spirits. Mormonism holds a very, very, very similar view to creation that Gnostics did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrielles Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 255 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/09/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1974 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Twisting scriptue, I would be very careful....... Ask HS to reveal His word to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealdogfish Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Just a note from the mod team. Any mormon must be able to defend their belief system from the Bible alone. They may not use the book of Mormon or any other texts that are unique to the church of LDS. Our statement of Faith here at Worthy says this: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. Because we believe this, we also believe that every truth claim must be fully defendable from this source. For that reason we do not allow people to use other sources to justify their belief system You believe the bible to be inerrant? which version or versions are you referring to excactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted October 4, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Just a note from the mod team. Any mormon must be able to defend their belief system from the Bible alone. They may not use the book of Mormon or any other texts that are unique to the church of LDS. Our statement of Faith here at Worthy says this: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. Because we believe this, we also believe that every truth claim must be fully defendable from this source. For that reason we do not allow people to use other sources to justify their belief system You believe the bible to be inerrant? which version or versions are you referring to excactly? AH! The old translation argument. Well, which revision of hte Book of Mormon do you believe is inerrant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealdogfish Posted October 5, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Just a note from the mod team. Any mormon must be able to defend their belief system from the Bible alone. They may not use the book of Mormon or any other texts that are unique to the church of LDS. Our statement of Faith here at Worthy says this: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. Because we believe this, we also believe that every truth claim must be fully defendable from this source. For that reason we do not allow people to use other sources to justify their belief system You believe the bible to be inerrant? which version or versions are you referring to excactly? AH! The old translation argument. Well, which revision of hte Book of Mormon do you believe is inerrant? There may be flaws in both of them. you cant surely believe that the bible was translated perfectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted October 5, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Just a note from the mod team. Any mormon must be able to defend their belief system from the Bible alone. They may not use the book of Mormon or any other texts that are unique to the church of LDS. Our statement of Faith here at Worthy says this: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. Because we believe this, we also believe that every truth claim must be fully defendable from this source. For that reason we do not allow people to use other sources to justify their belief system You believe the bible to be inerrant? which version or versions are you referring to excactly? AH! The old translation argument. Well, which revision of hte Book of Mormon do you believe is inerrant? There may be flaws in both of them. you cant surely believe that the bible was translated perfectly? Back up. You admit that there may be flaws in both revisions of the Book of Mormon, yet you continue to ask about the Bible? Aren't you concerned about the numerous (over 4,000) changes made to the Book of Mormon; a book which the LDS claims is the true and unadulterated word of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CellShade Posted October 5, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 397 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2006 Just a note from the mod team. Any mormon must be able to defend their belief system from the Bible alone. They may not use the book of Mormon or any other texts that are unique to the church of LDS. Our statement of Faith here at Worthy says this: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. Because we believe this, we also believe that every truth claim must be fully defendable from this source. For that reason we do not allow people to use other sources to justify their belief system You believe the bible to be inerrant? which version or versions are you referring to excactly? AH! The old translation argument. Well, which revision of hte Book of Mormon do you believe is inerrant? There may be flaws in both of them. you cant surely believe that the bible was translated perfectly? Well, I believe The Holy Bible, to be more correct, the KJV for example, is the Word of God, word by word, dicatated by God. Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith died on his sins, he is not in heaven, he was a man, lost in his ways, he created a false religion. Only Jesus Christ is the truth. Joh 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (By Jesus Christ ONLY!) Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. God Jesus Christ is The Only way to heaven. He's word is the direct word of God. Accept His gift of Love, He gave His perfect word for us. God Bless You. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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