Tye#2 Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 66 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2006 An English naturalist named Charles Darwin published a book about evolution. Darwin said that God did not create the living world as we know it and as the Bible says. Darwin believed that all living things developed somehow over vast ages of time. He said that invertebrates like insects and jullyfish slowly turned into invertebrates like fish, lizards, and horses. He said that there were no people at first, but then some tree-dwelling, monkeylike creatures with tails, hairy bodies, and pointed ears gradually developed into people. - Understanding God's World by Laurel Hicks and Dawn Mereness Now, could someone please explain to me if this is true (which it's not) then why hasn't man developed (evolved) past our sinful nature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I heard on the radio today that they have found spiders in amber(fossilized tree sap) that are identical to the current species of tarantulas. 300 MILLION years and they have not changed a lick! Similar findings show that bats and scorpions have not "evolved" either over millions of years. Now why would SOME species evolve and others stay the same? Evolution ? HOGWASH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Now why would SOME species evolve and others stay the same? Because conditions didn't change in a way that necessitated a genetic shift. Horseshoe crabs are basically living fossils - they've been just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tye#2 Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 66 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 Now why would SOME species evolve and others stay the same? Because conditions didn't change in a way that necessitated a genetic shift. Horseshoe crabs are basically living fossils - they've been just fine. Excuse me, but I couldn't help but to notice that you didn't touch that original question. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Answer: Because we don't evolve, and least of all, we do not evolve spiritually. Sin is a hopeless and permanent condition of mankind up until he receives Jesus Christ as Saviour and Healer, who reconciles him to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted October 21, 2006 "Sinful nature" is a metaphysical, rather than a physical, characteristic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2006 Now, could someone please explain to me if this is true (which it's not) then why hasn't man developed (evolved) past our sinful nature? From a Neo-Darwinian view it would be said that sin is a subjective idea and one that is created by humans. In other words, nothing is really "right" or "wrong," these things only come about by society. We should follow societal constructs but ultimately morals cannot be proven by science and therefore do not matter - they are non-existent. From the Christian view, though certain things do evolve, evolution is merely proof of a sin nature. Notice that natural selection can destroy a species but cannot build up a species (or at least what can be verfiably proven). Evolution is proof that we live in a fallen world and is guided by the sin nature - it cannot overcome what it is guided by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2006 "Sinful nature" is a metaphysical, rather than a physical, characteristic. This is a perfect representation of what a naturalist says when it comes to sin. "Sin is not something physical." Of course, as Christians, we cannot believe this. Though sin occurs within the minds of men, there is a thing called "natural evil" which is a physical act that occurs within nature. Animals killing animals, for instance, would be considered "natural sin" outside of a human construct, making it physical and intellectual (it can't be "metaphysical" because it doesn't deal with origins and it not outside our realm of reality...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Dealing with nature and free will is certainly metaphysics. I'm confused - how would animals killing animals be a "natural sin?" I'm not sure whether I'd agree or disagree, but I'd like to consider it further, so some elaboration would be awesome. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tye#2 Posted October 22, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 66 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 "Sinful nature" is a metaphysical, rather than a physical, characteristic. So, let me get this strait, if your saying what I think you're saying then we are only physical beings. Or, do you believe that there is more to a human than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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