Worthy News: Muslim fury as Israelis dig near Islamic shrine - Telegra

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Going back to the OP -

Here is another article on the 2nd temple location findings:

http://hunews.huji.ac.il/articles.asp?cat=6&artID=747

It includes a diagram.

[Guest shiloh357]

That, more than anything else, is the heart of Muslim fury.

I find it interesting that Islamics are absolutely furious at the idea of having to come to grips with the idea of a Temple having existed on the Temple Mount; a reality for which they have absolutely no tolerance.

The Temple Mount is currently in Muslim hands. As a result no one is allowed to wear or publicly demonstrate any religious, nonMuslim activity while on the Temple Mount. Jews are expressley forbidden to be on the Temple Mount. Nothing written in Hebrew is allowed on the Temple Mount (such as Hebrew literature or Jewelry) A Christian cannot openly wear Chrisitian apparel or any apparel that is Jewish in nature, or that expresses sympathy with Israel. A Christian cannot carry a Bible on the Temple Mount. A Christian cannot pray to God on the Temple Mount. I was reading on another board about an older lady who was on tour in Israel, and the tour guide who was a secular Arab, took the group to Temple Mount. This older lady had become ill due to the heat and had to stop and sit on a bench. She had a headache, and was holding her head in her hands, but was escorted off by the wonderful Muslims because they thought she was praying, and even when they found out that she was ill, they were unmoved stating that even looking like one was praying was sufficient cause to be removed.

It think it is clear who has the problems with "tolerance." In Israel, Muslim holy sites are protected Israeli law, and the rights of Muslims to enter those sites are also guaranteed by law. Yet, Jewish holy sites (like the tomb of the patriarchs in Hebron) are regularly desecrated and even denied as being Jewish by the Muslims. Israel demonstrates tolerance and is repaid in bloodshed.

[Guest shiloh357]

Okay, now as to the diagram itself...

Even though the Temple does not cover the rock, itself, it still overlaps the Dome of the Rock. If his calculations are correct, the dome is still in the way.

The folks who are so headstrong on rebuildnig this next Temple, it would seem, would reluctant to accept his research, as it puts a major kink in their plans, if true.

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I wonder when this madness will end

[Guest shiloh357]

Okay, this article from HonestReporting.com >>>Temple Mount Truths demontsrates that the work the Israeli Antiques Authority is simply building a ramp that was previously destroyed. The ramp is for pedestrians to ascend to the Temple Mount. The authority to to excavate was coordinated with and approved by the Jordanian government, the Muslim Waqf, and other Muslim authorities and is a standard practice to make sure that no artifacts are destroyed in the process. The ramp and area of excavation is 70 meters from the Temple Mount and will have absolutely no affect on the Temple Mount, much less the Al Aqsa Mosque.

As the article points out the media is too lazy to learn the facts, and wants to completely downplay any Jewish connection to the Temple Mount. The Muslims who are barricading themselves inside the Al Aqsa Mosque are fools. Their mosque is under no threat, but they rely on Western American and European blind acceptance of what is fed to them by the media.

[Guest shiloh357]

Okay, now as to the diagram itself...

Even though the Temple does not cover the rock, itself, it still overlaps the Dome of the Rock. If his calculations are correct, the dome is still in the way.

How so, Shiloh? Here is what Mr. Patrich say:

All of these considerations have led Patrich to come up with a diagram of the Temple and its surroundings that place the Temple further to the east and south than earlier thought and at a southeasterly angle relative to the eastern wall of the Temple Mount, and not perpendicular to it, as earlier assumed. It is this placement which also leaves the rock in the Dome of the Rock outside of the Temple confines (see attached drawings and caption).

Yes, he says the rock in the dome is outside the Temple complex. But as the diagram reveals the dome structure and the Temple overlap. So they cannot inhabit the same space.

[Guest shiloh357]

Okay, now as to the diagram itself...

Even though the Temple does not cover the rock, itself, it still overlaps the Dome of the Rock. If his calculations are correct, the dome is still in the way.

How so, Shiloh? Here is what Mr. Patrich say:

All of these considerations have led Patrich to come up with a diagram of the Temple and its surroundings that place the Temple further to the east and south than earlier thought and at a southeasterly angle relative to the eastern wall of the Temple Mount, and not perpendicular to it, as earlier assumed. It is this placement which also leaves the rock in the Dome of the Rock outside of the Temple confines (see attached drawings and caption).

Yes, he says the rock in the dome is outside the Temple complex. But as the diagram reveals the dome structure and the Temple overlap. So they cannot inhabit the same space.

OK... I see that, but it seem that what Mr. Patrich is saying doesn't add up to what the diagram shows.

How so?

[Guest shiloh357]

This is what is confusing me. The diagram shows an overlapping, as you have said. But under the diagram, it is written

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Note that given this alignment, the rock in the center of the Dome of the Rock is seen as outside the area of the Temple Compound (Drawing by Leen Ritmeyer

Yes, the rock itself outside the of the Temple Compound. The problem is not the rock, but the Dome structure. The fact that the dome structure overlaps with the Temple structure means that the Dome would have to be destroyed if the Temple is to be built on the exact location it was before.

My question is, would it be possible to build a small Temple that would not over lap? That is the only solution I see.

[Guest shiloh357]

Well, Ezekiel 44: 7-9 is talking to the levitical priests. It is important to note that this passage occurs in a discussion about the Temple of the Millennium, not the Temple that is currently scheduled to be rebuilt on the current Temple Mount.

Having said that, verses 7-9 amount to God recalling the abominations that occurred in the previous Temple of Solomon and that would not occur in the Millennial Temple. The Scriptures then go on to deal with the two classes of Levites, those who will be the gate keepers and in charge of slaying the sacrifices, but will not allowed to go before the Lord, Himself. There will be another class of Levites who will operate as priests and will be allowed to minister physically, before the Lord in the Holiest part of that Temple, where the Lord's Throne will be.

I have not heard of any other area such as Shiloh even being considered. I don't think rabbinic law would allow a Temple to be there. For one thing, if it were feasible, then the Temple would have been built there decades ago. The Temple can only be built where the Holy of Holies exists.

[Guest shiloh357]

It is going to take some slick negotiating to get the Muslims to allow a Temple to go up on the Temple Mount though. That is what I find interesting. Given the level of intolerance for anything nonMuslim to exist on the Temple Mount, it would take some phenominal concessions on both sides, I would think, for such a structure to go up.