chrisb Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 130 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1976 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Welcome to the biggest problem in the church today. Let's water down the gospel so it doesn't hurt anyones feelings. Homosexuality is a sin. It is fornication. The Word condemns all of these sins equally. I think the gay issue gets the most noise because it is the squeaky wheel. They are trying to make society accept it as normal behaviour. Its no more of a squeaky wheel today than it has ever been in the history of civilization. Gays and lesbians have always made up about 4 or 5 percent of the population and always will. Its better described as the political whipping post of the day. The wedge issue used to get people to vote against their own interests. That is just completely false. There population numbers mean nothing in this context. They are trying to get their lifestyle accepted as completely normal and are trying to force it on the rest of us. It is hardly a wedge issue. Those of us that are likely to vote against gay marriage, are more likely to vote for your political nemeses than the Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 31, 2007 "homosexuals claim they are born that way, that it's somehow genetic. it is not, and that is where the comparison lies." - And you have proof? How do you know it's not due to prenatal hormonal influences or the interplay of BOTH genes and the environment? How do you know it doesn't have multiple causes? Hepatocyte (I still get a kick out of your name, by the way ) - What do the Scriptures say about male-male and female-female sexual relationships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 exactly, butero. there is a homosexual movement out there that is now demanding that people recognize homosexual behaviour as normal, healthy, acceptable, and morally legitimate. homosexuals throughout history never made that claim so loudly and boldly as they do today. this is NEW. it's only been going on for about the last decade and a half. Oh, how we long for the good old days back when gays and lesbians were just imprisoned or tortured... hepatocyte, nobody here (despite your accusations) has EVER compared homosexuals to pedophiles. you are confusing the sin with the sinner. we frequently compare the SIN of homosexuality to the sin of a pedophile. homosexuals claim they are born that way, that it's somehow genetic. it is not, and that is where the comparison lies. pedophiles can't control who they lust after. they believe that they are incapable of controlling their actions. So, by your logic then, pedophiles are perfectly decent people, its just the sin thats wrong. We certainly would not want to confuse the sin with the sinner here. How about we all start worrying about our own moral failings before we compare gays and lesbians to child rapists just because it makes us feel better about ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Forrest - What do the Scriptures say about male-male and female-female sexual relationships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepatocyte Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 "homosexuals claim they are born that way, that it's somehow genetic. it is not, and that is where the comparison lies." - And you have proof? How do you know it's not due to prenatal hormonal influences or the interplay of BOTH genes and the environment? How do you know it doesn't have multiple causes? Hepatocyte (I still get a kick out of your name, by the way ) - What do the Scriptures say about male-male and female-female sexual relationships? Unnatural refers to the unnatural purpose of sex, not the underlying cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Hepatocyte (I still get a kick out of your name, by the way ) - What do the Scriptures say about male-male and female-female sexual relationships? Unnatural refers to the unnatural purpose of sex, not the underlying cause. I'm sorry, but that did not answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepatocyte Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 Hepatocyte (I still get a kick out of your name, by the way ) - What do the Scriptures say about male-male and female-female sexual relationships? Unnatural refers to the unnatural purpose of sex, not the underlying cause. I'm sorry, but that did not answer the question. Umm...yes I did...unnatural. OK, wait, I guess we have different definitions of 'homosexual'. You define it as behavior, whereas I define it as attraction. Well, obviously, you can control behavior. But I wasn't talking about same-sex relationships. Being gay is having same-sex attraction, not necessarily engaging in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Being gay is having same-sex attraction, not necessarily engaging in it. You still haven't quoted any Scripture verses. But are you saying God created some men with same-sex attraction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepatocyte Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Being gay is having same-sex attraction, not necessarily engaging in it. You still haven't quoted any Scripture verses. But are you saying God created some men with same-sex attraction? "But are you saying God created some men with same-sex attraction?" - Umm...when did I say that? Does God create some men with no sexual attraction? So you're saying God couldn't possibly have created people with same-sex attraction because He forbid same-sex relation and in your interpretation of God's nature, He wouldn't do something that's seemingly contradictory. There are six verses that relate to homosexuality. Look them all up. Edited July 31, 2007 by hepatocyte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 exactly, butero. there is a homosexual movement out there that is now demanding that people recognize homosexual behaviour as normal, healthy, acceptable, and morally legitimate. homosexuals throughout history never made that claim so loudly and boldly as they do today. this is NEW. it's only been going on for about the last decade and a half. Oh, how we long for the good old days back when gays and lesbians were just imprisoned or tortured... hepatocyte, nobody here (despite your accusations) has EVER compared homosexuals to pedophiles. you are confusing the sin with the sinner. we frequently compare the SIN of homosexuality to the sin of a pedophile. homosexuals claim they are born that way, that it's somehow genetic. it is not, and that is where the comparison lies. pedophiles can't control who they lust after. they believe that they are incapable of controlling their actions. So, by your logic then, pedophiles are perfectly decent people, its just the sin thats wrong. We certainly would not want to confuse the sin with the sinner here. How about we all start worrying about our own moral failings before we compare gays and lesbians to child rapists just because it makes us feel better about ourselves. forrest, i despise when people put words in my mouth. i'm not in favor of homosexuals being imprisoned or tortured, nor am i aware of any christian who is. so you owe everyone on this board an apology for having made such a crass and bogus mischaracterization. by my own logic, i say nothing of the sort. by GOD'S logic, i say this. NONE of us are "perfectly decent people". we all commit sin on a daily basis. there is no grey line here, it's black and white.... repentance brings restoration and justification to our souls. unrepentance brings judgement and condemnation. God's judgement and condemnation. neither the liar, the thief, the homosexual, the pedophile, the necromancer, the murderer, the adulterer, nor anyone else is exempt from that truth. there are only two ships in this ocean... the one that holds those who repent, and the one that holds those who don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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