stevehut Posted March 25, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted March 25, 2004 i never said homosexuals were necessarily more promiscuous. and since we agree that fornication in ANY sense is still a sin, i think it is relevant. Yes, I realize you never said that. Still, many people do believe that God has reserved a doubly hot place in hell for homosexuals, as an especially heinous breed of sinner. But this is a gross misunderstanding, and it allows many people to feel self-righteous because they haven't engaged in that particular type of sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted March 25, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Homosexuals are always claiming about being singled out, but they are the ones marching in to the church offices and proclaiming "I am a homosexual" forcing the church to either say "fine, you're a homosexual" or kick them out out of the clergy. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shilo Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 i never said homosexuals were necessarily more promiscuous. and since we agree that fornication in ANY sense is still a sin, i think it is relevant. Yes, I realize you never said that. Still, many people do believe that God has reserved a doubly hot place in hell for homosexuals, as an especially heinous breed of sinner. But this is a gross misunderstanding, and it allows many people to feel self-righteous because they haven't engaged in that particular type of sin. if they are then feeling self-righteous then they themselves are sinning....for no one is better than the other....some are watching what they do (sometimes) while others are blinded by what they do.... Homosexuals go to hell if they do not repent of their wicked ways just as any others who partake in any sin that will get them there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusisGod2 Posted March 25, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,065 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/03/1958 Share Posted March 25, 2004 I don't know what his point was, but I'm afraid that I am going to have to find a new church. I really couldn't be more upset. How soon before I won't have any church to go to that doesn't condone this? Hi JP1, You know brother, I can really see those of the true church going back to a home fellowship type of worship. In fact it might even be what God is calling His people to do. If you think about it, what better way to reach your neighbors, or to reach those who are intimidated by organized big time religion. The church started out meeting from house to house, and I am willing to bet their worship was much more intimate. I attended one years ago, and wish I knew how to contact these folks again, it has been years. It was a pretty powerful time of fellowship. I kinda see the true church being forced back into this situation, or else be participants in idolitrous forms of worship. This is just a thought and the situation could be a blessing for you and not a curse. Sometimes God shakes us up, but what a blessing it turns out to be. May God bless you in your pursuit of Him! In Jesus Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusisGod2 Posted March 25, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,065 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/03/1958 Share Posted March 25, 2004 i'm just curious what that same "jury" would have done if it had been a heterosexual preacher who was openly living with a woman without the benefit of marriage... or if he was just sexually promiscuous. Yes, I do belive that there seems to be a double-standard in some places. But I think it's important to make a distinction here: I don't think that homosexuals are necessarily more promiscuous (i.e. indiscriminately sleeping around) than heterosexuals. They're just attracted to a different set of people. Please don't misunderstand me: Fornication is fornication is fornication. All of these people are the same in the eyes of God, and will be held accountable. But let's keep the proper perspective. i never said homosexuals were necessarily more promiscuous. and since we agree that fornication in ANY sense is still a sin, i think it is relevant. my guess is that those who openly accept a homosexual as a member of the clergy would condemn a member of the clergy who openly practiced other sexual sin. in other words, they're guilty of gross hypocrisy, among other things. Hey LadyC, I totally agree with you here. I was waiting to see others responses before I myself addressed it. It does seem that, like lets say a Pastor who is heterosexual but is sexually promiscuos and the church finds out, like for instance Jimmy Swaggert. They are ready to lynch him, and leave no room for forgiveness, or so it seems. He is definately de-frocked. But here comes a homosexual, and it seems that some churches are trying to find ways to instead of taking care of the problem, they are finding ways of accommodating and justifying the situation. They are both wrong in Gods eyes, but it is almost like the church, the people of God are in fear of saying anything that is not "politically correct" to homosexuals. We should not discipline one and neglect to do the same with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted March 25, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 200 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1954 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Sin is sin, period. I know there is sin leading to death and sin not leading to death, but either way when we sin we are off course. Telling someone they are off course is a good and noble thing. I don't think we should focus on homosexuallity, but then we should not avoid confronting it either. How about when you see a brother or sister destroying their lives by over eating or over drinking or looking at porn or engaging in fornification of any kind, should we not try to get them back on course. Hell may end up being full, but it is going to be alonely place. Living a life of hell here on earth may also seem full, but it is a lonely place. Why else would someone practicing homosexuallity want to bring attention to theirselves. And they are trying to bring attention to themselves by openly doing what they are doing. They have no shame anymore. Does the church also not have any shame anymore..... I guess misery loves company..... Sorry ahead of time if I am rambling. It makes sense inside of my head. LOL. have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1 Posted March 25, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 432 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 130 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/06/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1962 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Sorry ahead of time if I am rambling. It makes sense inside of my head. LOL. have a good day. Hehehe . . . That happens to me all the time. Sure sounds good in my head, but when I type it out here it's like "huh?" Thanks rafter, and JesusisGod2, for the encouraging words. I guess I will just go before the Lord and let the Holy Spirit guide me to what is the correct action to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCPGUY Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 JP1, just stay away from the Lutheran Church (Evangelical). They are also way out on the fringe. I know, I am one. Although either the Missouri or Wisconsin synods are really conservative. If you like a formal setting, check 'em out one day. Shiloh, you are so right. I wonder if this is just another sign of the great apostasy that Paul spoke of which would precede the Anti-Christ??? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Shiloh, you are so right. I wonder if this is just another sign of the great apostasy that Paul spoke of which would precede the Anti-Christ??? can there be any doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shilo Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 JP1, just stay away from the Lutheran Church (Evangelical). They are also way out on the fringe. I know, I am one. Although either the Missouri or Wisconsin synods are really conservative. If you like a formal setting, check 'em out one day. Shiloh, you are so right. I wonder if this is just another sign of the great apostasy that Paul spoke of which would precede the Anti-Christ??? John JP1 sign of the great apostasy I would say so!!!! The end times are here...some people are just not aware of the signs.....What did Jesus say....Matthew chapter 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the Son of man be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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