ladypeartree Posted January 1, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 37 Topic Count: 542 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 33,044 Content Per Day: 5.05 Reputation: 23,860 Days Won: 237 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Online Birthday: 02/23/1953 Share Posted January 1, 2008 we are talking about the same service that has just spend over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckthesystem Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,706 Topics Per Day: 0.26 Content Count: 3,386 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/10/1955 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 It depends very much what is meant by "elective surgery/treatment". If the NHS bureaucracy is anything like our health system bureaucracy then they can define it any way they like. We have had a lot of publicity about waiting lists for surgery here over the last 10 years or so as they have got unrealistically out of hand. Bureaucrats were dropping people off the list "right, left & centre". Many of whom later died. The neice of one of my friends died recently not long after she was refused heart surgery because it was "elective". Sure it was "elective", the girl could have "elected" to live a normal life or live with a heart defect that might kill her - and did. One of my friend's husband - a few years ago - had an accident whereby he ended up with pins and metal rods throughout his body. His GP recommended that - after a while - some of the metal should be removed. The health bureaucrats deemed that this would be an "elective" procedure and wouldn't pay for it. However, (and this is really odd) they would pay for him to have counselling to help him accept the fact that the pins were not going to come out. The cost of the counselling worked out to be far more than the original surgery would have been. The main point is that: As you may say that there is limited money and the health vote is not a bottomless pit, there is always enough money to pay greedy, parasitic bureaucrats and managers $400,000 annually. And what the government is failing to realise is that it is not their money , it has been paid by people - sometimes for many decades - in the expectation that it will be there when they need it. To "ration" health care so that the money can be spent on "administration" instead is just plain theft! So now they are picking on smokers, drinkers and the obese. Who will they be picking on next time? The elderly? Babies born with defects? The chronically ill? Workers who work at dangerous occupations or with pesticides? Those who live near regularly crop dusted market gardens? Sports players? Those who (it is deemed by some bureaucrat) have too much fat or sugar (or anything bureaucrats don't like) in their diet? Then watch them go on a massive eugenics programme! It may never end. But one thing will remain constant: There will always be managers and parasitic bureaucrats getting $400,000 a year! Yes, definitely, that can always be afforded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted January 2, 2008 It depends very much what is meant by "elective surgery/treatment". If the NHS bureaucracy is anything like our health system bureaucracy then they can define it any way they like. We have had a lot of publicity about waiting lists for surgery here over the last 10 years or so as they have got unrealistically out of hand. Bureaucrats were dropping people off the list "right, left & centre". Many of whom later died. The neice of one of my friends died recently not long after she was refused heart surgery because it was "elective". Sure it was "elective", the girl could have "elected" to live a normal life or live with a heart defect that might kill her - and did. One of my friend's husband - a few years ago - had an accident whereby he ended up with pins and metal rods throughout his body. His GP recommended that - after a while - some of the metal should be removed. The health bureaucrats deemed that this would be an "elective" procedure and wouldn't pay for it. However, (and this is really odd) they would pay for him to have counselling to help him accept the fact that the pins were not going to come out. The cost of the counselling worked out to be far more than the original surgery would have been. The main point is that: As you may say that there is limited money and the health vote is not a bottomless pit, there is always enough money to pay greedy, parasitic bureaucrats and managers $400,000 annually. And what the government is failing to realise is that it is not their money , it has been paid by people - sometimes for many decades - in the expectation that it will be there when they need it. To "ration" health care so that the money can be spent on "administration" instead is just plain theft! So now they are picking on smokers, drinkers and the obese. Who will they be picking on next time? The elderly? Babies born with defects? The chronically ill? Workers who work at dangerous occupations or with pesticides? Those who live near regularly crop dusted market gardens? Sports players? Those who (it is deemed by some bureaucrat) have too much fat or sugar (or anything bureaucrats don't like) in their diet? Then watch them go on a massive eugenics programme! It may never end. But one thing will remain constant: There will always be managers and parasitic bureaucrats getting $400,000 a year! Yes, definitely, that can always be afforded. bucks, I know you'll probably pass out from shock but................. Thats the point I was trying to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckthesystem Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,706 Topics Per Day: 0.26 Content Count: 3,386 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/10/1955 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 [ bucks, I know you'll probably pass out from shock but................. Thats the point I was trying to make! Goody, goody Scarlet. Passing out now!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted January 2, 2008 [ bucks, I know you'll probably pass out from shock but................. Thats the point I was trying to make! Goody, goody Scarlet. Passing out now!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redwing Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 400 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,903 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1942 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Ohhh it wont stop with smokers, or drinkers or the obese, as soon as people (sheep) accept the above, then they'll start adding other things that the powers that be consider wrong behavior. what do you think our health care system will look like if hillary get's elected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Ohhh it wont stop with smokers, or drinkers or the obese, as soon as people (sheep) accept the above, then they'll start adding other things that the powers that be consider wrong behavior. what do you think our health care system will look like if hillary get's elected? Probably something like this............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoCA Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 25 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 2, 2008 Or put it this way, I never wanted to get in a Car accident requiring hospitalization in Arkansas.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba4J Posted January 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,075 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 471 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/05/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 2, 2008 Ohhh it wont stop with smokers, or drinkers or the obese, as soon as people (sheep) accept the above, then they'll start adding other things that the powers that be consider wrong behavior. what do you think our health care system will look like if hillary get's elected? Probably something like this............... AMEN sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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