WayneB Posted February 11, 2008 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I believe salvation is instantaneous and sanctification is progressive. But, at what moment does salvation occur. We use the "sinner's prayer" as evangelicals, is that when it happens? Is there an element of intellectual reasoning involved or is it an emotional surrender or are words unable to unlock this secret? I agree with you David regarding salvation and sanctification. The moment of our salvation is the moment we simply choose to believe God (as opposed to believe "in" God). Romans 4:3 (even Paul quoted Scripture). At that moment, the veil is removed before our eyes and... 2 Corinthians 3 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Verse 16 records the Moment of Salvation 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. Vers 18 shows that Sanctification is the process of being being set apart for God and by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I believe salvation is instantaneous and sanctification is progressive. So you can be saved, but not sanctified? Then what's the point of being saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2008 I believe salvation is instantaneous and sanctification is progressive. So you can be saved, but not sanctified? Then what's the point of being saved? I don't think thats what he said. He said one was instantaneous, the other is a process. The instantaeous event, enables the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I don't think thats what he said. He said one was instantaneous, the other is a process. The instantaeous event, enables the process The instant event enables the process? Then yes, that means we get saved now and sanctified later. Hence, saved without being sanctified. This is one of the major themes of Wesley, which I have studied in depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2008 I don't think thats what he said. He said one was instantaneous, the other is a process. The instantaeous event, enables the process The instant event enables the process? Then yes, that means we get saved now and sanctified later. Hence, saved without being sanctified. This is one of the major themes of Wesley, which I have studied in depth. No. It means we are declared guiltless based on the blood of Christ instantly, and receive the Holy Spirit who begins immediately to clean up our lives. We receive both at salvation immediately, but one is a process that begins at salvation and ends at death. Is your position is that when a person is saved, they never sin again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Is your position is that when a person is saved, they never sin again? Absolutely not. But again, this sounds an an awful lot like Wesley's doctrine of Entire Sanctification. Which, IMHO, is positively looney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeybee88 Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 746 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/30/1988 Share Posted July 17, 2008 They're simply trying to say that after the instantaneous act of salvation, you become more and more like Christ. That is sanctification, not being perfect, but acting more like God and less like ourselves till we are perfected in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2008 So what is your position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeCajunboy Posted July 17, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I believe salvation is instantaneous and sanctification is progressive. But, at what moment does salvation occur. We use the "sinner's prayer" as evangelicals, is that when it happens? Is there an element of intellectual reasoning involved or is it an emotional surrender or are words unable to unlock this secret? I have to trust God's word on this! That from the moment you repent and are truly sorry for your sins, and make a consciencious effort not to repeat those sins again, YOU ARE SAVED! Remember, only you and God know if your intentions are worthy. You must have the true intentions of hanging in there when satan comes to knock, and if you show sincere effort, God will acknowledge that your spirit and your heart is sincere. Don't just pray with the hopes that God will deliver you from your sin, but instead begin shortly after you repent with the thoughts and mindset that you are sincere in your actions against satan , even if you have to shout it our at the top of a mountain and tell all the world. All the intellect is of no good if your heart and soul isn't in it properly. And God knows that better than even us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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