Christian Metal

[Ovedya]

The only problem that I see with it, is that the 'image' is not that different than the 'worlds'. I do know they reach some kids that other wise would not hear the Gospel.

May I ask a question?

If my Church was having a Rap concert for the youth how many kids do you think would come if they were into metal? And vise versa. If my Church was having a rock concert how many kids would come if they liked rap?

I believe all things were created by God and for God. God can turn anything for His glory

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Amen, Atonement. It's about time that believers took back all the things the devil has stole!!!!

The Devil stole Heavy Metal?

[Atonement]

I don't believe that mingling worldly elements with Godly worship constitutes Godly worship. A little leaven leavens the lump.

If that is the case why are you on the Internet? "A little leaven leavens the lump"

The Internet has

Porn, Gambling, Black Market etc..

Of course you can't be serious?

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Yet there's no such thing as "Christian porn" or "Christian gambling" or "The Christian black market," is there?

Ahh so you take Scripture out of it's original context when quoting it! Okay.. It would be best not to quote it at all if you can not quote it from it's original context. Do you know what "leaven" is?? When Paul speaks about leaven in Gal. 5:9 and 1Cor. 5:6 he is speaking of sin.

The context of Paul's answer was the sin of fornication (1 Cor. 5:1) that was being sanctioned by the Corinthians a young man was living as husband-and-wife with his step-mother! That fornication is a sin is obvious from such Scriptures as Rom. 1:29, 1 Cor. 6:18, 2 Cor. 12:21, Gal. 5:9, and 1 Thess. 4:3. Under no circumstances can fornication ever merit God's approval. It is always wrong.

So if you would please leave "leaven" in it's context. Because Porn, gambling and the black market are "sins"

Tell us or please show us that Christian Metal is a "sin"??

Then I would be open to "leaven" having any value on this topic..

Edited June 11, 2008 by Atonement

[Atonement]

The only problem that I see with it, is that the 'image' is not that different than the 'worlds'. I do know they reach some kids that other wise would not hear the Gospel.

May I ask a question?

If my Church was having a Rap concert for the youth how many kids do you think would come if they were into metal? And vise versa. If my Church was having a rock concert how many kids would come if they liked rap?

I believe all things were created by God and for God. God can turn anything for His glory

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Amen, Atonement. It's about time that believers took back all the things the devil has stole!!!!

The Devil stole Heavy Metal?

In a sense yes.. The devil stole sex, money, music (all), movies etc and has used it for his purpose to drawn people away from the Lord and to use it for self pleasure.

[Atonement]

I don't believe that mingling worldly elements with Godly worship constitutes Godly worship. A little leaven leavens the lump.

If that is the case why are you on the Internet? "A little leaven leavens the lump"

The Internet has

Porn, Gambling, Black Market etc..

Of course you can't be serious?

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Yet there's no such thing as "Christian porn" or "Christian gambling" or "The Christian black market," is there?

Ahh so you take Scripture out of it's original context when quoting it! Okay.. It would be best not to quote it at all if you can not quote it from it's original context. Do you know what "leaven" is?? When Paul speaks about leaven in Gal. 5:9 and 1Cor. 5:6 he is speaking of sin.

The context of Paul's answer was the sin of fornication (1 Cor. 5:1) that was being sanctioned by the Corinthians a young man was living as husband-and-wife with his step-mother! That fornication is a sin is obvious from such Scriptures as Rom. 1:29, 1 Cor. 6:18, 2 Cor. 12:21, Gal. 5:9, and 1 Thess. 4:3. Under no circumstances can fornication ever merit God's approval. It is always wrong.

So if you would please leave "leaven" in it's context. Because Porn, gambling and the black market are "sins"

Tell us or please show us that Christian Metal is a "sin"??

Then I would be open to "leaven" having any value on this topic..

Acutally to be correct you used the scripture first. So if Ovedya is using it out of context you must judge yourself in the same light.

Where did I use that Scripture first? Could you quote or elaborate on this please

Also why does one have to judge? I never did.. I had stated to leave "leaven" in it's context, if you notice I quoted her using " " between the quote and knew already how the answer would be returned. Because I know that leaven is "sin" why do you think I mentioned porn, gambling and the black market?

Edited June 11, 2008 by Atonement

[Atonement]

Where did I use that Scripture first? Could you quote or elaborate on this please

Forgive me you did not use the scripture first, I did jump the gun. Yet you still attempted to bring something though sarcastically under this judgement. Then when a follow up comment was given...the scripture used is now somehow out of context. Why not just deal with the context in the initial response rather than with sarcasim.

Once again forgive me for jumping the gun. You do seem as if you are too emotional about this. You did give a poll, and its just music.

I'm sorry, can you hear my voice on here my friend? Ohh so your perceive me being sarcastic. That's a big difference my friend. But I will take note to sugar coat my post(s).

[Atonement]

I'm sorry, can you hear my voice on here my friend? Ohh so your perceive me being sarcastic. That's a big difference my friend. But I will take note to sugar coat my post(s).

That was sarcasm.. I'm sorry

[Atonement]

As far as metal goes, if that is what a person wants to listen to then thats fine. In all reality all music in some shape or form uses elements that seem worldly. I like listening to Christian rap. I won't call it holy hip hop, for hip hip is not holy. God does not take the means and make it holy. He takes the person and makes them holy. So IF God desires to use one who is in such a platform He has every right. I just pray that these ones give it to Him so He can decide to use it. Most of us think because I done it in in the world I can bring it over to Him. NO!! He has to break it before He blesses it. Then it is fit for giving out.

I agree.. It is the person or person(s) behind the music.. The music should not be judged because it has a beat or a tempo to one's unliking. I think this has a lot of wisdom behind your post. How can we judge any man's heart by the music that s/he plays? I surley can't. I have been to Christian rock concerts and have seen many young people come to the Lord. So I know first hand the benefit of ALL music God can use for His glory.. Amen

[stacey c]

The only problem that I see with it, is that the 'image' is not that different than the 'worlds'. I do know they reach some kids that other wise would not hear the Gospel.

May I ask a question?

If my Church was having a Rap concert for the youth how many kids do you think would come if they were into metal? And vise versa. If my Church was having a rock concert how many kids would come if they liked rap?

I believe all things were created by God and for God. God can turn anything for His glory

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Amen, Atonement. It's about time that believers took back all the things the devil has stole!!!!

The Devil stole Heavy Metal?

Yes he has. God created music to make a joyful noise unto Him, gave us dance to dance before the Lord, He gave us the shout to break through our circumstances. Today too many church folk don't do this in church because they think it's not holy or proper church etiquette, but we have no problem

shouting, dancing, or jumping up and down when our favorite football team wins the super bowl. How about giving our all to The King who saved us, after all thats why HE gav us these things. Be Blessed.

[Ovedya]

I don't believe that mingling worldly elements with Godly worship constitutes Godly worship. A little leaven leavens the lump.

If that is the case why are you on the Internet? "A little leaven leavens the lump"

The Internet has

Porn, Gambling, Black Market etc..

Of course you can't be serious?

+

Yet there's no such thing as "Christian porn" or "Christian gambling" or "The Christian black market," is there?

Ahh so you take Scripture out of it's original context when quoting it! Okay.. It would be best not to quote it at all if you can not quote it from it's original context. Do you know what "leaven" is?? When Paul speaks about leaven in Gal. 5:9 and 1Cor. 5:6 he is speaking of sin.

The context of Paul's answer was the sin of fornication (1 Cor. 5:1) that was being sanctioned by the Corinthians a young man was living as husband-and-wife with his step-mother! That fornication is a sin is obvious from such Scriptures as Rom. 1:29, 1 Cor. 6:18, 2 Cor. 12:21, Gal. 5:9, and 1 Thess. 4:3. Under no circumstances can fornication ever merit God's approval. It is always wrong.

So if you would please leave "leaven" in it's context. Because Porn, gambling and the black market are "sins"

Tell us or please show us that Christian Metal is a "sin"??

Then I would be open to "leaven" having any value on this topic..

Atonement,

May I ask why, if you already had your mind made up on the matter, you asked for our opinion? If you were truly honest in your asking then you should be willing to accept that some of us may have a different opinion than yours on the matter. Instead you appear to be resolute in your decision and have chosen to defend your own opinion.

Leaven in the Scriptures implies a lot more than just sin:

In Matthew 13:13 and 16:6,11-12 there is the leaven of the Pharisees, which is false doctrine (Also Mark 8:15 includes the leaven of Herod, which is hypocrisy)

In 1 Cor. 5:6,8 leaven represents evil things such as boasting and self-glorification.

In Gal. 5:9, which I referenced in my post, leaven indicates the erroneous teachings of the Judaizer's concerning circumcision which, in type, represents mixture.

"And if your offering is a meal offering baked on a flat plate, it shall be of fine flour mingled with oil, unleavened...No meal offering that you present to Jehovah shall be made with leaven, for you shall not burn any leaven or any honey as an offering by fire to Jehovah." (Lev. 2:5, 11)

"Unleavened bread shall be eaten throughout the seven days, and nothing leavened shall be seen among you, nor shall any leaven be seen among you in all your territory" (Exo. 13:7)

The principal leaven signifies is anything foreign to that which God has ordained. Leaven itself is an element which causes dough to rise. Leavened bread is "fluffy" and airy, whereas leavened bread is solid, pure, and substantive. In fact, leavening, yeast, is a bacteria which grows with the heat and moisture of the bread, and reproduces and spreads to the whole lump, until the whole lump is leavened.

Therefore, in typology the fine flour of the meal offering referenced in Leviticus is the resurrected Christ as the life-giving Spirit (2 Cor. 15:45). The oil in the offering represents the Holy Spirit whereas the fine flour represents Christ. As the life-giving Spirit, the Lord Jesus dwells in our human spirit (typified by the holy of holies). He is the "meal offering" upon which we feast by believing into Him (John 6). To take such an offering and make it impure through the impartation of any worldly element including false teachings, self-glorification or self-exaltation, or any evil thing, is to add leaven.

Therefore, to take something of the world and attempt to mingle it with a practice which, by design, is intended to build up the Body of Christ, is to add leavening. All worldly elements - whether musical entertainment, various distracting teachings or practices - are foreign to the Body of Christ. They are a "bacteria" which spreads until the whole lump is leavened. The Corinthian believers "tolerated" a sinful situation in their midst, but really that no different in principal than tolerating certain worldly elements in the Body of Christ today for the sake of certain person's preferences to music, entertainment, etc. As God's people we should not allow any leavening among us, in all our territory.

[Ovedya]

The only problem that I see with it, is that the 'image' is not that different than the 'worlds'. I do know they reach some kids that other wise would not hear the Gospel.

May I ask a question?

If my Church was having a Rap concert for the youth how many kids do you think would come if they were into metal? And vise versa. If my Church was having a rock concert how many kids would come if they liked rap?

I believe all things were created by God and for God. God can turn anything for His glory

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Amen, Atonement. It's about time that believers took back all the things the devil has stole!!!!

The Devil stole Heavy Metal?

Yes he has. God created music to make a joyful noise unto Him, gave us dance to dance before the Lord, He gave us the shout to break through our circumstances. Today too many church folk don't do this in church because they think it's not holy or proper church etiquette, but we have no problem

shouting, dancing, or jumping up and down when our favorite football team wins the super bowl. How about giving our all to The King who saved us, after all thats why HE gav us these things. Be Blessed.

...And apparently there is no problem when a football player thanks Jesus for helping them with the Superbowl. Did God invent football too? If He did then it must be okay to stay at home and watch the game on a Sunday afternoon when we should be at the meeting.

I don;t believe that the Devil "stole" Heavy Metal. Heavy metal came about as the result of purely worldly influences - and I would argue, demonic influences. So there's no way the church can "take back" something that was never ours to begin with.