Guest LadyC Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 heiress, if i'm not mistaken, the sudden and instant decrease in gas prices was nationwide. whether it was 30 cents nationwide or not is beyond me, i can only vouch the three states i've travelled to in the last several weeks. my own (nevada), idaho, and california. i CAN tell you there was no tax decrease on the gas in my state. what would the odds have been, anyway, for the state to reduce taxes at the same time as bush encouraged anwr drilling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted July 27, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 as for government agencies, they're often no better than the media. the CDC and even the WHO have produced propoganda many times, and still do. again, i'm referring to things such as sunscreen, secondhand smoke, and other things. This is because of things like bribes from lobbyists. But when we're talking about energy, the lobby for oil has MUCH MORE power and influence than the lobby for clean energy. That's why I trust the EIA on this one. things that if you dig farther into their site than what they make easily accessible, you'll find that the reports most often read and quoted are full of skewed, very skewed statistics. you'd think those are non-political agencies. but everybody has an agenda. with the media, yes, it's ratings. with everyone else, it's money, votes, endorsements, something. we are much like sheep being led to the slaughter when we start putting more faith into any "source" other than God (and i'm meaning the bible, the leading of the Holy Spirit, prayer, the whole nine yards.) what i do know, and i think you're probably intelligent and intellectually honest enough to admit, is that you and i (or anyone else) could produce link after link after link to back our own personal viewpoint of any given subject. and really, what is the point of that? nothing. it's simply a form of entertainment to bicker back and forth, using whatever source (expert or otherwise) we want, knowing full well that since WE Are not the experts, we really only know what we want to believe. I agree with everything you say here. However, at some point you've got to trust someone for information. I trust the EIA more than anyone else when it comes to energy. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 There is no way to tell the future of oil prices because there are so many variables. These guesstimates are based on current scenarios which will not remain current. But one thing is for sure...if we produce our own oil we won't be as dependant on foreign sources. ANWR is just one place that could be opened up to resolve that situation...but we need more refineries also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted July 27, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted July 27, 2008 heiress, if i'm not mistaken, the sudden and instant decrease in gas prices was nationwide. whether it was 30 cents nationwide or not is beyond me, i can only vouch the three states i've travelled to in the last several weeks. my own (nevada), idaho, and california. i CAN tell you there was no tax decrease on the gas in my state. what would the odds have been, anyway, for the state to reduce taxes at the same time as bush encouraged anwr drilling? Have yet to see a substantial (as in more than a cent or two) drop up in my neck of the woods, and that's well within the normal fluctuations anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted July 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2008 It amuses me that you put more faith in your own wild speculations than in actual information from professionals in government. It explains a lot. It amuses me to NO END to see Lorax praising the "professionals in government." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRaven Posted July 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,981 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1964 Share Posted July 27, 2008 heiress, if i'm not mistaken, the sudden and instant decrease in gas prices was nationwide. whether it was 30 cents nationwide or not is beyond me, i can only vouch the three states i've travelled to in the last several weeks. my own (nevada), idaho, and california. i CAN tell you there was no tax decrease on the gas in my state. what would the odds have been, anyway, for the state to reduce taxes at the same time as bush encouraged anwr drilling? Have yet to see a substantial (as in more than a cent or two) drop up in my neck of the woods, and that's well within the normal fluctuations anyway. Gas here is holding. It goes up and down within 3-4 cents every few days, but the average this week is the same as it was last week locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted July 27, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 It amuses me that you put more faith in your own wild speculations than in actual information from professionals in government. It explains a lot. It amuses me to NO END to see Lorax praising the "professionals in government." I'm not talking about politicians. I'm talking about scientists and engineers. I guess I meant "work for government." Not really "in government." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me. But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us. In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah. Psalms 44:6-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heiress2theKingdom Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 22 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/28/1985 Share Posted July 28, 2008 what i do know, and i think you're probably intelligent and intellectually honest enough to admit, is that you and i (or anyone else) could produce link after link after link to back our own personal viewpoint of any given subject. and really, what is the point of that? nothing. it's simply a form of entertainment to bicker back and forth, using whatever source (expert or otherwise) we want, knowing full well that since WE Are not the experts, we really only know what we want to believe. So...news media is biased and worthless to you, and research based and peer reviewed data reports aren't worth reading because they may support a viewpoint that could be other than your own??? Will anything suffice??? I was just offering an unbiased source for finding more information, if you can't listen to reason, there is no point in continuing this loop of controversy. It will never end and is a waste of our God given time, because people don't look to real data, and if they do they choose not to trust in its reliability. You know...it is okay to have faith in unbiased and reliable science...thinking is a gift that God has given mankind as well..."transformation by the renewing of the mind". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 i never said any of it was worthless. but since i don't think you're intentionally twisting my words, but that you simply haven't grasped what i AM saying, i'll try to clarify for you. take everything you hear and read with a generous portion of salt, and dig deep, far deeper than what is widely reported. because if you don't, you'll fall victim to somebody's propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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