Yu Gi Oh (DEMONIC!!)

[Bob Dole]

Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly, I had turned on the television and went into the bathroom, I was not watching the show only listening. When I came into the room where the TV is I saw what was showing and turned it..I was NOT and never DO watch that channel or garbage such as that. My niece who is 8 had it on that channel earlier in the evening and when she left the room she didn't change it from the channel she had been watching..believe me it was purely accidental that I saw that. And scripture wouldnt' tell us what shows we could and could not watch there was no television..please.

It's irrelevant why the TV was on that channel, but you are telling people "Don't watch this it's evil." You haven't once described why it would give satan any kind of foothold in our lives. Also, didn't you ask me to find references in the scripture that said books like "Harry Potter" were ok?

And sir I never told anyone not to watch, I simply warned that giving satan a foothold into our lives in this manner is dangerous. I mean after all, it appears you, yourself have been deceived and look at the rantings and justification you have put forth.

Ok so you're warning us not to watch these shows because they give satan a foothold in our lives. I disagree with you though, I don't believe it gives satan a foothold. I reject satan as much as I ever did and I watch Adult Swim, I read Lord of the Rings, I enjoy violent movies. I don't enjoy real violence, I don't swear (although I am not against other people swearing, I don't care if they do, I do not think any differently about that person, it's just words and only society makes them swear words, not god), I don't practice witchcraft, I don't do drugs, I don't fornicate. I don't understand how you can say that satan has a strong foothold in my life when he so obviously doesn't.

I simply say things because I care. Don't worry sir, I won't bring it up again. You do what ever you want to it makes no difference to me at this point..

God Bless, Mr. Dole

I also care. I care when someone shuts out some of mankind's finest literature (Lord of the Rings is an amazing story, as well as Harry Potter) because they fear it may lead satan into their lives. As long as you are strong willed satan will not have influence on you. When someone warns me to stay away from Harry Potter, or that they themselves stay away I think to myself "That person's conviction's must be weak if they feel satan can influence them just by them reading a work of fiction." If your convictions are strong enough there is nothing satan can do that can convince you otherwise. Reading or watching "The DaVinci Code" won't plant seeds of doubt in your mind if you know in your heart that what the bible tells you is true.

Everyone seems to be ignoring my main question -

Do you believe "The Wizard of Oz", "A Christmas Carol", all of the Disney princess movies ("Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Beauty and the Beast"), "Monster's Inc.", "The Lion King", "The Sword in the Stone" are all evil? I just would like one answer, yes or no, I already know why they're considered evil so I don't want an explanation, just a yes or a no. It's a yes or a no to all of the movies not just a certain one.

[Giaour]

Can inanimate objects even be evil?

I say, no.

[LadyRaven]

Can inanimate objects even be evil?

I say, no.

They in and of themselves are not evil, though they can be vehicles for such. What is a temptation for one person is not necessarily interesting to another, much less a temptation. People talk about gun violence but we have to remember that people shoot those guns. A gun in my home would not be a temptation to gang or regular gun violence, because I'm just not that kinda gal. Neither would a sword be or a knife. And I have used "Crystals" to make wind chimes. they are pretty and mean nothing to me. I'm not channeling anything or attempting to change anything with them, just making a decoration for the window.

Paul talked about meat sacrificed to Idols. It was meat used to worship pagan gods, then distributed for whoever bought it to eat. Christians went to pagan homes for dinner and were wondering if they should eat it or not. Was it evil? Paul said to eat what was served and leave it at that. In another place he said to not eat meat if it would cause a brother to stumble. This teaches that the meat itself, even if it had an evil use originally, was just a peice of meat. It was the meaning given to it by the people using it that made it evil. Like the guns.

There is no demon in a bottle of beer, but alot of people use it get drunk. Medicinal plants were put on earth for us to use for medicinal purposes and people use them instead to create an "unsober" mind or altered state of consciousness. The problem isn't the plants, the beer, the meat, it's the people USING it.

I have a mind very much fascinated by the mystical. I don't believe it is wrong, per se, if used to ponder the mystery of the uncomprehensibility of God. But if not reigned in properly it becomes one and I was drawn into the occult when I was younger. Things which affected me in that way (like Isis cartoons) had no affect on my sister whatsoever. She thought the show was cheesy and didn't care about ancient egypt or their religion. For some reason I did. Had my parents been aware of what was going on, they might have forbid us to watch that stuff because it was a stumbling block to ME. If I'd been like my sister, they would have just left us alone. Isis cartoons were meat sacrificed to Idols.

My older son was very much like me. I kept him sheltered from any references to the occult, outright or latent, until he was about 11 or 12. During that time I filled his head with alot of really solid theology and gradually over time I slowly started introducing things to him to see how he reacted. Like superheroes. I made sure that they were, in the beginning at least, not using eastern concepts (like chi) or getting their powers from other beings or forces...Thus XMen, batman and spiderman were all ok cause they were supposedly mutations and the power rangers were not (he was a boy so that was less of a problem anyway). When he was 12 the family we were visiting watched the Wizard of Oz. We get to the good witch. He says "there is no such thing as a good witch. They may be nice, but their magic comes from demons" I knew he understood the truth I'd been filling him with all those years. I've watched him, he's a very strong christian. He debunked the Davinci code to all his friends after we watched the whole history of the thing on tv (I never read the book so had no idea what the big deal was). I didn't have to tell him what was wrong with it, he knew right off...

My younger son got exposed to some things in a christian run daycare that I had not introduced his brother to at that age. I was no longer a stay at home mom due to a divorce and had to place him somewhere, that was the best option I had. I sat down to talk to him about it, he looked at me really funny and said "MOM, thats just a dopey story." he isn't even INTERESTED in magical thinking. He could care less. His sins run along the line of sloth and having a temper. I have trouble getting him to think about the more mystical elements of scripture. He's really concrete "do this, don't do that" and I fear he will become either a legalist or a pragmatist (he's now 12, the older boy is 16).

Now I would not cause one child to stumble to give the other freedom, but at the same time, I think we need to remember that one person's temptation is anothers ... nothing. The whole concept behind the game YuGiOh is foreign to Christianity because it is eastern. Because of the obviously eastern/oriental themes, it may be a problem for some kids whose minds run along that line who like to find mystical meanings and what not. It might not be a problem for others. To me, its the same thing as meat sacrificed to idols. It might have come from the world, but it has no power in and of itself. If it causes sin, magical thinking or an overreaching imagination, yank the stuff. If not, worry about the post modern world view in schools, that's even more of a threat because they will GET those concepts while any religious references in Yugi will fly over the heads of most people.

[CellShade]

Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly, I had turned on the television and went into the bathroom, I was not watching the show only listening. When I came into the room where the TV is I saw what was showing and turned it..I was NOT and never DO watch that channel or garbage such as that. My niece who is 8 had it on that channel earlier in the evening and when she left the room she didn't change it from the channel she had been watching..believe me it was purely accidental that I saw that. And scripture wouldnt' tell us what shows we could and could not watch there was no television..please.

It's irrelevant why the TV was on that channel, but you are telling people "Don't watch this it's evil." You haven't once described why it would give satan any kind of foothold in our lives. Also, didn't you ask me to find references in the scripture that said books like "Harry Potter" were ok?

And sir I never told anyone not to watch, I simply warned that giving satan a foothold into our lives in this manner is dangerous. I mean after all, it appears you, yourself have been deceived and look at the rantings and justification you have put forth.

Ok so you're warning us not to watch these shows because they give satan a foothold in our lives. I disagree with you though, I don't believe it gives satan a foothold. I reject satan as much as I ever did and I watch Adult Swim, I read Lord of the Rings, I enjoy violent movies. I don't enjoy real violence, I don't swear (although I am not against other people swearing, I don't care if they do, I do not think any differently about that person, it's just words and only society makes them swear words, not god), I don't practice witchcraft, I don't do drugs, I don't fornicate. I don't understand how you can say that satan has a strong foothold in my life when he so obviously doesn't.

I simply say things because I care. Don't worry sir, I won't bring it up again. You do what ever you want to it makes no difference to me at this point..

God Bless, Mr. Dole

I also care. I care when someone shuts out some of mankind's finest literature (Lord of the Rings is an amazing story, as well as Harry Potter) because they fear it may lead satan into their lives. As long as you are strong willed satan will not have influence on you. When someone warns me to stay away from Harry Potter, or that they themselves stay away I think to myself "That person's conviction's must be weak if they feel satan can influence them just by them reading a work of fiction." If your convictions are strong enough there is nothing satan can do that can convince you otherwise. Reading or watching "The DaVinci Code" won't plant seeds of doubt in your mind if you know in your heart that what the bible tells you is true.

Everyone seems to be ignoring my main question -

Do you believe "The Wizard of Oz", "A Christmas Carol", all of the Disney princess movies ("Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Beauty and the Beast"), "Monster's Inc.", "The Lion King", "The Sword in the Stone" are all evil? I just would like one answer, yes or no, I already know why they're considered evil so I don't want an explanation, just a yes or a no. It's a yes or a no to all of the movies not just a certain one.

Yes, specially disney, A christmas carol might be the only one I would watch but rather prefer not to, but no way do I watch any disney movies, not even the one's with people just because I know a lot of stories about disney.

Now refer to the below quote.

Can inanimate objects even be evil?

I say, no.

They in and of themselves are not evil, though they can be vehicles for such. What is a temptation for one person is not necessarily interesting to another, much less a temptation. People talk about gun violence but we have to remember that people shoot those guns. A gun in my home would not be a temptation to gang or regular gun violence, because I'm just not that kinda gal. Neither would a sword be or a knife. And I have used "Crystals" to make wind chimes. they are pretty and mean nothing to me. I'm not channeling anything or attempting to change anything with them, just making a decoration for the window.

Paul talked about meat sacrificed to Idols. It was meat used to worship pagan gods, then distributed for whoever bought it to eat. Christians went to pagan homes for dinner and were wondering if they should eat it or not. Was it evil? Paul said to eat what was served and leave it at that. In another place he said to not eat meat if it would cause a brother to stumble. This teaches that the meat itself, even if it had an evil use originally, was just a peice of meat. It was the meaning given to it by the people using it that made it evil. Like the guns.

There is no demon in a bottle of beer, but alot of people use it get drunk. Medicinal plants were put on earth for us to use for medicinal purposes and people use them instead to create an "unsober" mind or altered state of consciousness. The problem isn't the plants, the beer, the meat, it's the people USING it.

I have a mind very much fascinated by the mystical. I don't believe it is wrong, per se, if used to ponder the mystery of the uncomprehensibility of God. But if not reigned in properly it becomes one and I was drawn into the occult when I was younger. Things which affected me in that way (like Isis cartoons) had no affect on my sister whatsoever. She thought the show was cheesy and didn't care about ancient egypt or their religion. For some reason I did. Had my parents been aware of what was going on, they might have forbid us to watch that stuff because it was a stumbling block to ME. If I'd been like my sister, they would have just left us alone. Isis cartoons were meat sacrificed to Idols.

My older son was very much like me. I kept him sheltered from any references to the occult, outright or latent, until he was about 11 or 12. During that time I filled his head with alot of really solid theology and gradually over time I slowly started introducing things to him to see how he reacted. Like superheroes. I made sure that they were, in the beginning at least, not using eastern concepts (like chi) or getting their powers from other beings or forces...Thus XMen, batman and spiderman were all ok cause they were supposedly mutations and the power rangers were not (he was a boy so that was less of a problem anyway). When he was 12 the family we were visiting watched the Wizard of Oz. We get to the good witch. He says "there is no such thing as a good witch. They may be nice, but their magic comes from demons" I knew he understood the truth I'd been filling him with all those years. I've watched him, he's a very strong christian. He debunked the Davinci code to all his friends after we watched the whole history of the thing on tv (I never read the book so had no idea what the big deal was). I didn't have to tell him what was wrong with it, he knew right off...

My younger son got exposed to some things in a christian run daycare that I had not introduced his brother to at that age. I was no longer a stay at home mom due to a divorce and had to place him somewhere, that was the best option I had. I sat down to talk to him about it, he looked at me really funny and said "MOM, thats just a dopey story." he isn't even INTERESTED in magical thinking. He could care less. His sins run along the line of sloth and having a temper. I have trouble getting him to think about the more mystical elements of scripture. He's really concrete "do this, don't do that" and I fear he will become either a legalist or a pragmatist (he's now 12, the older boy is 16).

Now I would not cause one child to stumble to give the other freedom, but at the same time, I think we need to remember that one person's temptation is anothers ... nothing. The whole concept behind the game YuGiOh is foreign to Christianity because it is eastern. Because of the obviously eastern/oriental themes, it may be a problem for some kids whose minds run along that line who like to find mystical meanings and what not. It might not be a problem for others. To me, its the same thing as meat sacrificed to idols. It might have come from the world, but it has no power in and of itself. If it causes sin, magical thinking or an overreaching imagination, yank the stuff. If not, worry about the post modern world view in schools, that's even more of a threat because they will GET those concepts while any religious references in Yugi will fly over the heads of most people.

I agree with you about the cartoonsand alcohol and all rather being used as a vehicle for evil.

Here's a story about something that happened 5 days or so ago.

A 10 year old kid beated he's 7 or so months old brother to death.

The kid was as cold as a cold blooded killer when they were interviewing him, they asked him,'' do you feel sorry?''he answered "no"

Then they asked him " what were you watching before you killed him'' he answered" Jackie Chan Adventures((the animated cartoons) .

He then said that he felt like the devil got in him or something.

Edited June 2, 2006 by CellShade

[CellShade]

I would like to add that this wasn't in the USA before you go saying that that wasn't either on the news or news paper.

[Bread_of_Life]

I am an adult, so is my son.

We know the difference between reality and non-reality.

You know, even kids can tell the difference. It's just the people around here...

[CellShade]

I am an adult, so is my son.

We know the difference between reality and non-reality.

You know, even kids can tell the difference. It's just the people around here...

Bread, you gonna post something, post something useful, do not say something that might insult some people that have different points of view then yours.

Edit: Typo's

Edited June 2, 2006 by CellShade

[LadyRaven]

Can inanimate objects even be evil?

I say, no.

They in and of themselves are not evil, though they can be vehicles for such. What is a temptation for one person is not necessarily interesting to another, much less a temptation. People talk about gun violence but we have to remember that people shoot those guns. A gun in my home would not be a temptation to gang or regular gun violence, because I'm just not that kinda gal. Neither would a sword be or a knife. And I have used "Crystals" to make wind chimes. they are pretty and mean nothing to me. I'm not channeling anything or attempting to change anything with them, just making a decoration for the window.

Paul talked about meat sacrificed to Idols. It was meat used to worship pagan gods, then distributed for whoever bought it to eat. Christians went to pagan homes for dinner and were wondering if they should eat it or not. Was it evil? Paul said to eat what was served and leave it at that. In another place he said to not eat meat if it would cause a brother to stumble. This teaches that the meat itself, even if it had an evil use originally, was just a peice of meat. It was the meaning given to it by the people using it that made it evil. Like the guns.

Now I would not cause one child to stumble to give the other freedom, but at the same time, I think we need to remember that one person's temptation is anothers ... nothing. The whole concept behind the game YuGiOh is foreign to Christianity because it is eastern. Because of the obviously eastern/oriental themes, it may be a problem for some kids whose minds run along that line who like to find mystical meanings and what not. It might not be a problem for others. To me, its the same thing as meat sacrificed to idols. It might have come from the world, but it has no power in and of itself. If it causes sin, magical thinking or an overreaching imagination, yank the stuff. If not, worry about the post modern world view in schools, that's even more of a threat because they will GET those concepts while any religious references in Yugi will fly over the heads of most people.

I agree with you about the cartoonsand alcohol and all rather being used as a vehicle for evil.

Here's a story about something that happened 5 days or so ago.

A 10 year old kid beated he's 7 or so months old brother to death.

The kid was as cold as a cold blooded killer when they were interviewing him, they asked him,'' do you feel sorry?''he answered "no"

Then they asked him " what were you watching before you killed him'' he answered" Jackie Chan Adventures((the animated cartoons) .

He then said that he felt like the devil got in him or something.

When I said that inanimate objects can be vehicles for evil I did not mean that they CAUSE us to sin. I meant that they can be means of temptation in a time of weakness, which is very different.

That show did not cause that child to act the way he did, he chose to do it. He probably didn't think his brother would die but he still chose to be violent. We want to blame the show because we don't want to see the elements of human depravity in children so young. We like to see children as innocent and cute. Well they are sinners just like the rest of us. I can't say if he was possessed or if he just said that because wanted to get out of trouble.

However using this sort of reasoning to condemn something which has no will (tv shows don't think) over a being which does (the person doing the dead) leads us to not take responsibility for our selves and the states of our own souls. It also wants to let the unregenerate "off the hook" in regards to why they sin. Nobody wants to see the state of the soul for what it is, even Christians. (My experience has been Christians are worse avoiding this than pagans, but your mileage may vary)

The fact still remains that If I go out and shoot someone after watching RAMBO, it's not the movie's fault, it's mine. Even if that movie was "the last straw" or the "stumbling block" that I failed to negotiate before I fell flat on my face...it is still very much my decision to ALLOW that sort of thing to affect me and I made the decision to sin.

Unfortunately, society is too quick to accept such answers from people. I remember when I was a young adult Dad telling me that someone got arrested for committing a crime, he blamed it on a fruit cake which had had an inordinate amount of alcohol in it. Supposing that the alcohol remained in the fruitcake during cooking, why didn't everyone who ate it go out and commit a crime? Because only that one person wanted to. Why didn't all kids who watched the Chan cartoons go out and beat someone? Because they didn't want to.

The bible says our natures are evil. Culture's art is a reflection of that in varying degrees, even when it is attempting to show our great spirit and be positive... No art, not mater how base, is responsible for the depravity of mankind. It's our nature and every time we act on it, we are responsible because we decided to do it. "WHY" is unimportant, it's not the temptation's fault, it's the sinners each and every time a sin is committed.

[Guest jckduboise]

As believers of Jesus we are to flee worldly ways and philosophies that are not aligned with the Word of God.

[Guest jckduboise]

Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly, I had turned on the television and went into the bathroom, I was not watching the show only listening. When I came into the room where the TV is I saw what was showing and turned it..I was NOT and never DO watch that channel or garbage such as that. My niece who is 8 had it on that channel earlier in the evening and when she left the room she didn't change it from the channel she had been watching..believe me it was purely accidental that I saw that. And scripture wouldnt' tell us what shows we could and could not watch there was no television..please.

It's irrelevant why the TV was on that channel, but you are telling people "Don't watch this it's evil." You haven't once described why it would give satan any kind of foothold in our lives. Also, didn't you ask me to find references in the scripture that said books like "Harry Potter" were ok?

And sir I never told anyone not to watch, I simply warned that giving satan a foothold into our lives in this manner is dangerous. I mean after all, it appears you, yourself have been deceived and look at the rantings and justification you have put forth.

Ok so you're warning us not to watch these shows because they give satan a foothold in our lives. I disagree with you though, I don't believe it gives satan a foothold. I reject satan as much as I ever did and I watch Adult Swim, I read Lord of the Rings, I enjoy violent movies. I don't enjoy real violence, I don't swear (although I am not against other people swearing, I don't care if they do, I do not think any differently about that person, it's just words and only society makes them swear words, not god), I don't practice witchcraft, I don't do drugs, I don't fornicate. I don't understand how you can say that satan has a strong foothold in my life when he so obviously doesn't.

I simply say things because I care. Don't worry sir, I won't bring it up again. You do what ever you want to it makes no difference to me at this point..

God Bless, Mr. Dole

I also care. I care when someone shuts out some of mankind's finest literature (Lord of the Rings is an amazing story, as well as Harry Potter) because they fear it may lead satan into their lives. As long as you are strong willed satan will not have influence on you. When someone warns me to stay away from Harry Potter, or that they themselves stay away I think to myself "That person's conviction's must be weak if they feel satan can influence them just by them reading a work of fiction." If your convictions are strong enough there is nothing satan can do that can convince you otherwise. Reading or watching "The DaVinci Code" won't plant seeds of doubt in your mind if you know in your heart that what the bible tells you is true.

Everyone seems to be ignoring my main question -

Do you believe "The Wizard of Oz", "A Christmas Carol", all of the Disney princess movies ("Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Beauty and the Beast"), "Monster's Inc.", "The Lion King", "The Sword in the Stone" are all evil? I just would like one answer, yes or no, I already know why they're considered evil so I don't want an explanation, just a yes or a no. It's a yes or a no to all of the movies not just a certain one.

I have given example and it was given earlier before you became a member here. The reasoning is in that post and it is also written in scripture that was posted previously..read it.

All of your reasoning points to one thing sir and that is you simply have disregard for this thread the people in it and our feelings and positions..you have done nothing to strengthen your views and give me any reason to believe that I am wrong...a foothold is a foothold, vessels of transmission are anything that can be carried to another person thru an animate or inanimate objest. If you don't believe it fine..read my post above this and take it as you will.....

I hope that the barriers you have put up will disolve and that your professed love and knowledge of God will have the ability to shine through. I will pray this prayer for you sir, God Speed.