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  1. I believe the Lord sends visions. I also believe He in His timing will reveal to that individual what they mean. I also feel in my heart that a true child of God would know the difference between satan sending it or God. Blessings.
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  2. This is not about the visions but since the conversation seemed to gravitate to Mat 24 & Luk 17 I'll add a little here. In the context of Luke 17 the Lord is talking about "one being taken and the other left." When the disciples asked, "Where Lord?" Jesus said, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." (v.37) The Greek word sōma, here interpreted "the body," means exactly that, the body (as a sound whole.) This is about the saints being taken to a place where the Body of Christ is completely assembled as a sound whole. It is clearly not a rapture for we see that these one's do have an opportunity to turn back. This will not be so in "the twinkling of an eye" event we about read in 1Cor 15:52, for here the disciples are exhorted to "remember Lot's wife." This gathering would be something worthy of investigation. In the context of Mat 24 the Lord is talking about, " if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect." The Lord is giving reference to events that will happen AFTER what is called the Great Tribulation Period. He says, "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." (v.28) The Greek word ptōma, here interpreted carcase, means just that, a dead body, carcase, corpse. That being the case then rather than "eagle" it should in fact be vulture. Neb said it clearly, a dead body is what attracts vultures. Symbolically these carrion eating birds would speak of demonics. This "dead body" gathering is something that is also worthy of investigation. The taking referred to in Matthew is with respect to those one's being taken to a gathering where a healthy, wholesome body is. It cannot possibly be referring to the "wicked" being taken to a place of wholeness. Matthew is a gathering of the saints. Luke, on the other hand, refers to something entirely different, which takes place after the great tribulation. All right, let us look at the contexts. In Matthew 24, the "one taken and the other left" is spoken in conjunction with the Great Flood - 37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away ; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 "Then there will be two men in the field ; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 "Two women will be grinding at the mill ; one will be taken and one will be left. In the case of the days of Noah, the ones "taken" were the ones that perished, so why should we interpret "taken" with the coming of the Son of Man as being raptured? The mention of the gathering is in conjunction with false Christs. It seems the "corpse" is the false Christ. 24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 "Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. 27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 "Wherever * the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. In Luke - the Greek sōma simply means "body," it does not distinguish its state with regards to being alive or dead. Again, read the context: 28 "It was the same as happened in the days of Lot : they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building ; 29 but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 "It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. 31 "On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back *. 32 "Remember Lot's wife. 33 "Whoever * seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever * loses his life will preserve it. 34 "I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed ; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 "There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left. 36 ["Two men will be in the field ; one will be taken and the other will be left."] 37 And answering they said to Him, "Where, Lord ?" And He said to them, "Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered." He is comparing the day the Son of Man is revealed with the days of Lot and those who were lost. He does not focus on Lot and the two daughters who were saved by fleeing, He is referring to those taken to destruction. Thus it makes more sense to tie in "taken" with those who perish rather than those who are saved.
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