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If that were true I'd be hopelessly lost forever. The verse means that the Saviour of the world being Jesus Christ was born through the virgin birth as the seed of the woman through childbearing. We all are saved through the only begotten Son of the Father who sent his son into this world to save the lost. We are saved through faith by grace in the finished work on the cross and the blood that was shed to cover and wash away our sins. Christ who was born of a woman through childbearing is our Saviour and the liberator of men and women today. That is how we are redeemed back from the original transgression and fall in the garden as Satan decieved and tricked the woman Eve to eat from the forbidden tree. But we are saved through the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ. the Saviour of the world. get it now OC LOL....your post wasn't on here when i started typing.....I type too slow...you said it much better than i did... THANKS!

1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. After reading this and scriptures before it....i believe it is talking that we will be saved from our destiny of Hell through childbirth....how?why? well...it to me is talking that the childbirth that will save us is of Mary birthing Jesus. Now...not the birth itself saves us.... but the birth brings into flesh our salvation. Our fate was made by one woman into transgression...and our salvation was born into flesh by another. the second part of that verse is saying...we must continue in faith..."....that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish...." then we must have charity/love....if we do not have the love of God then we do not have God. 1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. we must have holiness with sobriety... Does this help? hope so. In Christ, Jenny.

The doctrines of men are just doctrines which are not correct, ergo...non denominationalism does not protect you from them. the person who is trying to unite with you could very well hold to them. Correct doctrine is God's doctrine and I believe with all my being my doctrine is correct. Therefore if I believe I'm correct I'm going to say that the doctrines I disagree with are the doctrines of men. If I didn't believe I had God's truth, don't you think I'd leave it behind? my post was more to the OP...and in response to your question ...yes.

now that is bad!

hmmmm....so we can't get along??? at the risk of sounding stupid....wouldn't promoting "non denominationalism" bring ppl into focus on the Truth...the Word of God....and not man made opinions? I know you did not mention names...and i thank you for that... but with the timing of your post...it appears that my statements are "driving you crazy"...please forgive me for doing that! Didn't mean to push your "crazy" button It is truly sad to find it ridiculous to say "let's get along"... i do not believe that we should all conform to on man's beliefs or opinions...the only one we should conform to is God. I believe it is possible for ppl to have their own opinions and still show love, respect, and politeness to one another. Funny you mentioned leaving...i, myself, have considered that very strongly. Also...this "christian" sees it this way....which is more stronger...all coming together and working as a whole body to come against the enemy with Prayer and the power of God working through us....or trying to do that work with the parts of "the body" fighting the enemy and itself...trying to go in different directions thinking there is no use for the other parts of "the body"...or it is the stronger more superior part. Isn't it harder to do something with one arm...or one leg... for me...i will pray that we are able to "come together" and work in accord for the Lord and His glory. The lost...people in authority...Government...President...our nation...all nations/countries need us to get our selves moving as one powerful (through God) body...praying and combating against the enemy. Let me be the pinky toe....or the littlest finger... i don't mind. In Christ, Jenny.

(((((((((((((((((((everyone)))))))))))))))))))) this hug goes to everyone...to ALL my brothers and sisters in Christ....to the lost...to those that consider me their enemy....to the person that others might consider unable to love....to those i may have found unworthy to hug (in the past before i was a child of God)....to those who think that they are not worthy of anyones love...to those who don't love themselves (been there)...to those i have hurt...to those that have hurt me...to those that think God is not real (they truly need a hug(a release of God's love through me))...to those who might be at their "rock bottom"....to those that may be questioning their faith or have questioned it....for the person who might feel misunderstood....for those feeling lonely...feeling deserted....those that feel like a stranger to compassion ....to those needing a little encouragement....a little strength...to those that feel alone in the issues that they may be having in their life.... I could go on and on...but i hope i have made myself understood...i truly mean everyone... this is more like a hug sandwich...lol... Did ya get it...feel it...GOOD! In Christ, Jenny.

Hmmmmmm....I have a problem with malodorous peds......and I wear socks....and I wash my feet.....and I *STILL* have the problem...here's the thing...my entire family has the same problem...my nephew could chase cockroaches away from his shoes just by taking them off.....we could keep cats out of our shoes with no problem, I used to have a cat that would literally open his mouth when he got near one of my shoes or my feet. It was hilarious! And, I can guarantee you one thing....*looking inside shirt*....I am most DEFINITELY a woman... LOL.... i was meaning the need to wear shoes WITHOUT socks must be a boy thing! My stepdad does it to this day(in the summer). With my son... we tell him to put socks on....and it is like he goes into stealth mode trying to get by you without you noticing that he disobeyed your request due to his preferences. I find myself buying shoes cuz the smell could actually kill cockroaches!!! And to think the experts say there is nothing that could kill cocroaches...that they could live through a nuclear fallout and my husband tells me they can survive a ride INSIDE a microwave (i think he may have tried to fry a few )...well..even the cockroaches have met there match-my son's shoes!!! Kabowd...let me know about bottling the odor...sell it to the Gov. can possibly be used in chemical warfare stuff... ROFL!!! We can sell them the idea of the shoes being the new improved nuclear bomb! Anita

I don't have to think about this one! I love my son dearly but yes, I am angry with him at the moment and don't want to be around him. (He suffers from bipolar and when depressed can be really cruel and difficult to live with). I have to deal with my anger somehow. Mostly I keep out his way until I feel calmer! I am angry because these people hurt me...and unfortunately I am hurting people i love now because i am so angry and not sure who i can trust to talk about it. To those of you that I have hurt...I am sorry guys...I love you. I know how it feels to love and care about someone and be hurt by them...even recently....i have been very angry and still loved/cared....the important part is to remember to forgive and if need be...to be forgiven...and move forward...do not let the devil have that kind of power or joy. Like i said...i will keep this in my prayers! In Christ, Jenny.

Thank you for the explanation....i suppose i took it a little personal...not so much that it was deleted...more cuz i thought i would get an notification that it was done and maybe why...i have been a member here for a while (don't come on all the time)...but did not realize that they deleted the whole thread....I am a calm person most generally and like to think i post with respect....so yeah...i was a little shocked that the whole thread was gone and not just closed. I did end up receiving a response about why my post was closed....i totally understand and i do not have hard feelings of any kind. Just a little saddened that it has to come down to that at times...with any post. In hindsight...i would like to thank the mod for deleting the post....i do not want anything i write to cause such chaos or strife with my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. *hugs to all* In Christ, Jenny.

YAY!!!! Glad we got that cleared up....can we have a group hug? Let's get a huge group hug here and really tick off the devil!!!!! AMEN!!! In Christ, Jenny. P.S. I get so flustered with my grammatical errors...i fix one...think i got em all...hit complete...then reread and find more...grrr... oh well... if i look dumb...then i look dumb... LOL..

Your post was not removed because of one person. I'm assuming you mean because of me (because I was involved, especially in defending myself). But it's incorrect to assume that either myself (or any single person) was soley responsible for the demise of your thread. I apologize if my assumption is incorrect, but that's my gut feeling here. Kabowd...please do not assume that i am pointing you because I am not doing that,truly. I can not point out one single person...and you are very correct in the fact that it was not one single post that made the closing of my post happen... i myself am most likely partially to blame for the closing of it. Please do not go with gut feelings here... you are a fellow sister in Christ and i love you as such. This post is not to single anyone out. It is just a healthy reminder that we are indeed family and should think, speak and act with love! Like i said...this post was not "for everyone else"...it was for myself included. P.S. if i have a problem with someone/you...i will come to you politely and with love. *hugs* *my edit was only to fix a grammatical error*

i was told years ago...or my mom was told(she had more than one boy...and they all seemed to wear no socks and had stinky feet)...thank goodness we loved all of them..lol.anyway..back to what i was suggesting...that if you soak their feet in lemon water....or lemon juice...hmmm...something like that... i think it worked...to get the intial stink gone...then do the zinc! My son is gross and wears no socks ...in less i catch him doing that! It must be a boy/guy thing...can i hear all the women say EWWWWWW!!!! In Christ, Jenny.

Okay...to all of those that saw my topic vanish and wonder...what happened to that???...i will make a reply and i hope that any and all that read this will not use this as a attack on one another...or this post of mine will suffer the same fate!!! My post was moved to the deleted thread section because of the lack of love in the responses...the personal attacks made by one towards another. This brings me back to how i was expressing to a couple people last night in chat. It seems really sad that instead of people speaking their opinion with Love towards others...things seem to reduce themselves down to personal attacks. Do you think this might make the devil sit back and smile??? Hear me out please! As brothers and sisters of Christ...we should be able to talk with love and even though we may disagree...we must keep the real enemy as our foe ...not our bro or sis in christ...Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Hmmm... maybe the arguements..."discussions"... and the "fighting" amonst us...the church...the body...should come to an end....we should take a moment and regain focus on this... we should find a way as a whole to be a functioning vessel ...body...for the Lord...working in one accord....as it looks to me now...we are a body where the left arm is going one way and the right arm is going another...and so forth...bodies don't function well when all the limbs are trying to work alone instead of together...i get a mental image of a real body playing tug-o-war with itself...can a body walk if one leg is trying to go one direction and the other is trying to go another??? Like i said...i think the devil gets a real chuckle out of watching us bicker amongst ourselves....it is like giving him a freebie.... keeps us busy...and gets us off his back ...so to speak. The one thing that the devil likes is Religion...man made religion...He counts on the different doctorines...denominations...being so different in their views that they can't see past them to come together and work as a whole...I see a change in that as of lately...and i praise the Lord! Now...can we not do that here? Can we not stand on the firm ground of our core beliefs being the same...and use that to build bridges amongst each other???... As it was said last night....can we not just agree to disagree on some things and move forward....actually...can we not take on a mind set of Christ...have a renewing of our minds...Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. and lean not on our own understanding or mans knowledge....Pro 3:5,7 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. at times it seems like we act like a dog chasing his tail and ending up yelping when he manages to bite it.... think about the analogy...what i am saying is...we go around in circles..with what true good outcome??? then most times in the end...we end up hurting ourselves and God.... with the lack of love for each other and ourselves...but most importantly to God...do we not hurt God when we hurt others???...is a lack of love for others....not a lack of love for God??? Let us choose our battles wisely...and may they all be against the true enemy and none against our brother and sister in christ! P.S. i had to digest this myself and do some repenting...just so you know that i am not trying to speak from a higher position than anyone Now that you have read this...take a moment...don't attack...speak with love....who gains if we have stife one towards another??? In Christ, Jenny.

I will pray for you and these people....i pray that the Lord will have His way in this situation! In Christ, Jenny.

Okay...i am going to take a crack at this... I do believe what Fred is trying to say might be misunderstood. He is not telling anyone to lust God....he is not even trying to tell anyone it is scriptural to lust anything. He is trying to use that as a comparison to show an intensity ....to show how much our desire and intensity should be for the Lord. We all know that lust is sinful. It is an unbalance of desire...it is an extreme state of desire....so should our desire be for the Lord. He is not saying...that you are to say..." Lord...me, me,me.." I think though..we all do remember at a point in our life when there was a lust of some fashion...of course that was before turning our life over to the Lord... but...i am not sure there isn't anyone that has not lust something or someone in our lives...Can you remember even a hint of what that intensity was like? He is just showing us that... as a comparison...that as a person is bonded to that thing by such a strong desire(lust) we should have an equally,unselfishly strong desire for the Lord...the one where you can't get Him out of your mind...where you will do whatever you can to get more of Him... you are desperately passionate to get in His presence.... ooohhh...just to get an morsel of His spiritual food....He is your need...you can't get enough of Him... If we are to have a desire to worship the Lord..why can't it be a driving passion,need, longing, desire...that can't be quenched. Now...just what if...there is someone on here that can relate to a lust that he mentioned...they could be a babe in christ...someone that just turned their life over to the Lord...they may not fully understand yet the intensity of which one can have for christ...they may may be a little reserved in their chase after God...i mean...do babies start of on solid foods...or running... soooo...what i am getting at is this... just possibly...this can help them see how intense they can go after God...chase Him... We all know it is wrong to lust..it is a sin...and so we teach fellow brothern through the Word...even the babes in christ that and that it is selfish...so now with this knowledge...they strive to stay clear of that(which is good)....but they may be apprehensive to have such desire in anything...in fear that it might trigger something in them... maybe make them feel wrong, dirty, etc. ....so here it can show someone...how to turn from the selfishness of lust...but use the same level of intensity to pursue God and an intimate relationship with Him. I do not believe Fred was meaning that we should pursue the Lord with an attitude of "me,me,me"...but rather we should pursue the Lord with and attitude of worship,praise, and love towards God...for God. I have been told that lust is an unbalance of desire for something or someone......so....in an unselfish manner can we not have such an intense or unbalanced desire for the Lord? Hmmm....to a crack addict...the crack is their "God"....it is their "life"....they "worship" it...they feel forever bonded to it.....they let it identify who they are.....they think of the crack nonstop....they believe they will die without it...the need drives them.... now...i am speaking of a darkness....an evil...sin... but let's step into the light... God is our God, right? ....He is our life right? Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. we should worship Him with all our being, right? Psa 29:2 Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness. Psa 99:5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; [for] he [is] holy. Are we not bonded to God through Christ? .....does anyone actually consider themselves something of worth...without Christ?....Does He not complete us....do we not let Christ in us identify who we are???....is God forever on your heart, mind,and lips....shouldn't he be???....shouldn't we think of Him nonstop...how great He is...How He can be glorified in our lives and actions....Do we not know and believe that without God we are destined to death and hell???.....does your need for Him to feel loved and worshiped by you...your need for Him to be moved(emotion)by you.... not drive you to worship Him...to show Him your love...to lay prostrate on your face calling out " Holy, Holy, Holy".... Are we truly saying that we can't pull God out of the box, we've crammed Him in, and see that He could use this to speak to someone? You know..in this world...fanatics can be bad people...can cause a lot of harm.... but what about being a fanatic for God... Have you ever been called a Jesus Freak? What about being a "Fan" of God? fa‧nat‧ic  /fəˈn

Well everyone...it has been quite a while since i've been on...but i thought i would stop by and give you a tid bit of info... here is a link about the boycotting of Target and others who refuse to say "Merry Christmas" so they wont upset anyone...guess what.... they did..ME! how about you... if so.. read this.. http://www.afa.net/targetboycott.asp If it upsets you... send this link to as many as possible.. In Christ, Jenny.

i have mixed feelings about it all really.... but the sounds of it.... unfortunately some have taken upon themselves to help the efforts by opening up a bar with stolen goods.... It was also said that the Southern Deceadance is still happening.... so i am afraid that some will not learn... I am sure we all have our opinion of what should happen...my opinion or position is to pray about it and let the Lord do His will. He is the only one truly in control.

I do not deny that a pecentage of good can come from these type of situations. I dogmatically claim that most of what comes from these situations are horrible and of no use to the poor soul getting the toe tags. I do not thank God for my illness. That would be a lie and profoundly foolish. I'm not thankful for it. I am thankful for other things that I experienced here on earth. Likewise, I would not expect the storm victims to be thankful that their loved one drowned or their home was destroyed. I don't even think God expects us to be thankful for that. It was just a bad storm or a bad physical body. Happens all the time. Dan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay... i am wondering... so does this mean that you think that children dying young die in vain.... I am wondering what your take is on these two verses.. 2Cr 12:9-10 "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. " You know as it has been said... we all have free will... and we can choose to let trials and tribulations strengthen us and our faith or we can let them pull us from the Lord.... I personally found in my life that it took hitting my "rock bottom" before i realized i could not do a single thing without Him...I think that the Lord did not cause me to go through all i did but He allowed it because in the end it glorified Him... i look at my life as the prodigal son... and maybe also New Orleans too... Also... i have a sister in christ that through her sons death, which was not quick or painless, she found her self seeking answers and it resulted in her seeking and finding the Lord... you know.. i have a nephew that was born a year ago Aug. 18... he quit breathing and started having seizures when he was two days old... Our family and many many ppl in town pulled together and prayed for him.... the doctors did every test possible on him... everything came back perfectly normal...he was healthy.. the doctors could not explain this... my sister had the chance to witness to many doctors and specialists... was able to boldly say that the Lord heard our prayers and healed him... plus all the ppl in our town that got to see this... plus, it gave my brother n law a moment to reflect on things in his life.... so i do think that all things have a purpose... all situations cant be explained and i cant tell you why you are going through what you are.... i do know you will find out one day... you are probably touching lives you dont even know... it is your choice in what way you are doing that.

Mam....We should always be getting our ducks in a row. Storm or not. That is a general statement. True but not prophetic. When someone claims visions or words directly from God, that is prophecy. This is what is being claimed. One must be very careful when making such a claim. You can say ''I'm not a prophet" but if you repeat a direct word given to you by God, your are for sure a prophet if the word is true. Are you...Are you not? Dan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i am wondering... how is it prophecy.... have you read 1 Cor 12... do you not believe in the gift of word of knowledge... do you truly believe that the Lord is above speaking to someone about something that took place or is taking place.... i will give you a biblical example if you like... Acts 9:10-18 if you want more...i will share......The Word of Knowledge is a fact of present or past that is known to God and is revealed unto us in small fragments to carry out his purposes on Earth. The Word of Wisdom is revelation of what God knows on future events. It and prophecy are very closely entwined.. The Word of Knowledge is not knowledge of future events. Deals with facts of present day and history. I Samuel 9:3-20>>Samuel had a Word of Knowledge about Saul. I Samuel 10:9-24>>A Word of Knowledge about David I Samuel 16:9-12>>A Word of Knowledge in revealing sin. II Samuel 12:1-9>>A Word of Knowledge revealing battle plans II Kings 6:9-12>>A Word of Knowledge for healing II Kings 5:1-14 II Kings 5:15-27 Acts 5:1-11>>A Word of Knowledge to meet needs Matthew 17:24-27 Mark 11:1-3 John 4 >>woman at the well Acts 9:10-12 Acts 10:19-21 Revelation 1,2,3 Now i agree with you that we should all have our "ducks in a row" at all times.... i would not want to be like the 5 foolish virgins in Matthew 25.

i am sorry but i feel i would like to say something on behalf of vrspock... i think your responses here have been very rude and belittling to ppl.... My husband is not one to stand up and say "ME ME ME".. he is quite the opposite...and He never just lets anything come out of his mouth without being sure .... i dont recall him saying he is a prophet or that this was some great revelation i dont even remember saying that those ppl deserved what happened.... the truth of the matter is that the end times are at hand.... as we all know that God's time and ours are not the same and His doesnt want to see anyone go unsaved.... My husband is simply saying that everyone should "get their ducks in a row" It states in the bible that you are either for Him or against Him... and the signs are showing that it is time for those on the fence to jump to one side or the other.. and i am sure all thing we can agree on is that it would be God's side they hop off on... I myself believe that the gifts of the Spirit are still working today... if you dont...then that is your opinion...hopefully you can calm your anger long enough to see that amongst the many different opinions we should all come to some decision wether we want to see the lost saved... as it was said before... we all have an "end"... only God knows when that is...so as my husband said... it is better to be prepared than not..... I believe that everything in life happens for a reason... and i believed this way before Katrina...i also believe that God is a just God... so instead of fighting here on this site over this....i choose to go serve the Lord in the shelters here that are being filled with katrina victims...and maybe to your surprise...i am going to hold the hand or give a hug...or lend a shoulder... to all i can no matter if they are gay, practice voodoo, an alcoholic, drug addict... what matters to me is that i can show them the love of God through my walk... i am sorry that your judgement against me or my husband is that we are sadistic,phony, and full of it.... but i dont answer to you...i answer to the only one who matters and He knows where our heart is. I am guessing that you are going to respond that vrspock is judging... but again that is an opinion the only one that needs to make that decision is the Lord. My intention is not to fuel any fires here...but i could not let you go on and bad mouth vrspock... I pray that we can find God's glory in all things.

is sarcasm a good quality? just wondering.

Hello to all of worthy, Fred (vrspock) and i would like to let you all know that we have been led to volunteer our love,time,energy to helping the victims of Katrina... we have joined an organization called Compassion Coalition.. they are a local with connections to the Red Cross... i know that most ppl feel like they would love to help just not sure how or where to look... so fred and i want to offer you an option...if you have ANY kind of gift small or large that you want to give... we can get it to the victims here in our area... We are receiving hundreds and thousands here in Knoxville... it is said that there are hundreds of children of all ages that have no family or have lost contact with them... it is a very scary time for them... it is even being suggested that adoption is an option for some of these children sometime in the future... The cities major restaurants are going to supply the meals for all of them for the first week then it is up to the volunteers to take over through donations... at the meeting tonight... a little boy got up and asked if it was okay to donate teddy bears... so i know that he is getting to help a drive for teddy bears...we are talking at least a couple thousand... you cant just give out one... you need to include everyone... Well... if you feel led to help as we have... you can send any donations through us... no gift is too little or too big... I am going to try to contact places for coloring books and crayons... so if you will pray for all the efforts being made here in tennessee to help..i know it would be appreciated by all... God Bless!!! For donations send to : Compassion Coalition c/o Fred Dickey 4240 Felty Dr. Knoxville, Tn. 37918

I would like to apologize first to a very good man,shyguy. I attacked you on the marriage thread and i still feel bad about it. I want to ask for your forgiveness. I also want to apologize to all my brothers and sisters for not being on here as much as i used to.... and i want to apologize to all for locking vrspock up in a closet where he cant get here to chat with all his friends/"family". If i have ever offended anyone, i truly apologize for it... To Worthy family: I apologize for never telling all of you just how much i love you and treasure the relationships i have here. This place has been a safe haven in my rough times and a source of joy always... If it weren't for this place--how would i have met my HUSBAND!?!?! Anyways, sorry for not coming to share the love like you have shared with me. God bless each one of you and all the lives you touch along the way!!!! mrs. spockie.

Hello everyone. I am posting this because of my love for the Lord... .. He spoke to me and told me to post my church website here so people can eat from His table. I want to obey Him . He has done so much for me..for all of us... It brings tears to my eyes when i think of all He has done... just because He loves us! I love all of you , my brothers and sisters in christ, so here is the link to my church. Cornerstone Worship Center You can go there and watch past services on there and during service time you can watch it live.. The website gives all the details.... and I have started a scrapbook on there to show my love to my Lord and church... I want to praise Him for all He has done and is going to do!!!. God bless, jenny.