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On 1/10/2020 at 5:44 PM, Dennis1209 said:
To answer your question if I'm understanding it correctly; and this is from memory and might not be accurate.
Genesis 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis 3:15 is the very first prophecy in the Bible, and has to do with the promised coming Messiah. Women do not have 'seed', only men do. I believe this verse is a shadow of the coming Messiah through the genealogy of Mary. Both Joseph and Mary were in the blood line of King David. Ruth was also in the bloodline and genealogy of Jesus.
Jesus' mother Mary was a virgin and knew no mortal man and was espoused to Joseph. To be 'espoused' in that day meant they were more or less legally,committed and married. The Holy Spirit was the 'seed' and Father of Jesus. So, Jesus was 100% man and 100% God in the flesh.
It's interesting to see the number of times and ways Satan tried to destroy the bloodline of the coming Messiah. And the curve balls the Lord threw at Satan to thwart his plan.
Did I answer your question if I understood it right?
Thank You. I have got the answer. Mary was also from David the king (Luke)
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9 hours ago, Jayne said:
Both Mary and Joseph are descendants from King David. They had to be. Jesus is prophesied to be descended from David. Whether the Jewish people of the Bible saw Jesus as the literal and biological son of Mary or the Jewish "legal" son of Joseph or both [which he was], the prophecy is protected by God having both Mary and Joseph a descendant of King David.
In Matthew we see that Joseph came from King David's son, Solomon.
In Luke, we see that Mary came for King David's son, Nathan [not the prophet Nathan].
Thank you. I got the answer. It is all clear to me now.
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Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost. But still king David is in the genealogy. It is not mentioned as a moral ancestry but as real though Joseph was not His biological father, right? I am sure there is an answer to this question as the question has always been on the surface. They must have answered this question a long time ago but I could not find it. Please, explain it to me.
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10 hours ago, Justin Adams said:
I love the clock face that has all the numbers jumbled at the bottom with the caption, WHO CARES.
Similarly, while there are some really good comments here, I just do not care. To be with the Lord is my hope. That's all guys. Time or no-time, it will be heavenly...
Right. Science was previously the god of atheists. Today it is less and less capable of non-controversial explanations. They used to repeat "the more I learn the less I know" rather as a witticism. Now it is a general truth.
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4 hours ago, LonerAndy said:
Impossible to know. Only G-d can answer what happened before time happened.
Right!
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A good topic for DISCUSSION in this forum.
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On 12/24/2019 at 7:41 PM, Frank Goad said:
Were was time matter and energy before God made time energy and matter?And if God created time.That's means before time began all time was at 0.And when God made time it went to 1 second.So what was going on before God made time?When it was at 0 seconds?
Where did you read that time was made separate from matter? Matter and time are inseparable. In fact all matter changes and time is the mark of this change. Change in the matter is perceived as time. If there were no change in all matter (which is impossible in principle) there would be no time. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"; "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night." There is no mentioning of creation of time separate from matter. No mentioning of what God had been doing before that because the Bible describes what concerns mankind. What does not concern us is not revealed. Moreover people do not have and will never have enough intelligence to understand all things especially concerning The Kingdom of God. Can your pet understand how technical things such as cell phones work? No. The distance between what God knows and does and what we human beings know and do is far greater than that. I think we have to put up with that.
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11 hours ago, thomas t said:
Hi Vlad, no I'm in favor of it.
What I'm against of is people telling others "repent!". If they do it in a good way, then ok. There are awesome things about repentance, indeed.
But please don't just shovel down the calls to repentance through other people's throats. I don't find the love in these. Before Jesus came to talk about hell... he performed many wonders out of love. His message was well balanced I'd say.
I would want the discussions with doubters here on Worthy to be loving and beautiful. "repent or burn forever!" can burst any discussion and to me, it seems to be ignorant behavior because the author of these messages doesn't make it clear that he emphathizes with the doubter. It often comes across as saying "burn you heathen! and I don't care!"
I don't like the style of these fire and brimstone messages.
Thomas
Thank you. I agree that nobody should insist on anyone to repent. Especially so when those who think of others forget their own repentance. Now I understand you perfectly.
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12 hours ago, thomas t said:
Hi all.
Jesus told a doubter (Mt 11:4): the blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them.
This is the opposite of any posts telling a doubter that they should repent or burn in hell.
So I will always distance myself from turn-or-burn posts.
Thomas
*It should read "repent or burn", but these words don't give a nice rhyme
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Edit: Mt 11:4 uses εὐαγγέλιον in Greek meaning literally "GOOD news" according to Britannica.com.
Hi, I am just curious why are you against repentance? Do you have some information or are you proud? You quoted Jesus Christ when He was doing miracles. Do you expect the same miracles as when Jesus was living here and doing miracles? What would you like or what do you expect. Jesus has not come in His glory to judge us yet. He will. And you sit tight and wait? Please explain. If you do not answer that means that you do not want a discussion and claim to know all the answers yourself. And then what is your post for?
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On 4/4/2019 at 9:42 AM, Betha said:
No, we must not exchange 'love for 'knowledge.....they are not the same meaning.
When He says He does 'not know them that is exactly what He means.
WHY does He not know them ? BECAUSE they had followed a FALSE christ/jesus....they had followed an IMPOSTER who 'pretended' to be JESUS....christianity is FULL of such PRETENDERS that we are warned of Mat 24v4,5......teaching we do not need to keep God's Law/Commandments. That is why Yashua calls them 'workers of iniquity/lawbreakers.
I disagree but O.K. let it be knowledge. Then without His knowledge the person in question will not be saved. If someone will say that there are no such words as "will not be saved" in this case again it would sound and look like those who accused Jesus over stressing the words of the scripture at the same time overlooking the very message. The scribes were splitting hairs and stressing the letter of the scripture instead of the ideas.
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2 hours ago, Who me said:
Sorry I posted far to strong a reaction/reply.
That O.K., brother. God bless you.
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2 hours ago, Who me said:
I am sorry that you want to be able to brag to God about how you deserve to be in heaven and about how honoured God must be to have you in his family.
I am miss understanding you? No just appling biblical principals. We are saved by Gods grace and mercy. Our good deeds are **** stained rags in Gods sight. ( sorry for the crudity )
As Saved souls we show that we love God by being obedient to his commands and that means loving the unlovely, but we know that all we are doing is serving God.
We contribute nothing to our salvation, we add nothing to our status before God.
We should view our good deeds in the same way as little children helping dad wash the car, getting very wet and spreading water every were with very little going on the car.
You say: "I am sorry that you want to be able to brag to God about how you deserve to be in heaven and about how honoured God must be to have you in his family." That is too much. This Is a False Accusation. I have never been sure about myself. I was not writing about myself at all. What I wrote was just an idea generally. A good advice to you. Never accuse a person like when you mentioned me (you .....). People should not be offended personally Discuss possible sins and advise on how to get rid of them. Did I accuse anyone personally? I try to be careful about that. Do you?
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2 hours ago, Who me said:
I believe that every Christian who is serious about serving /following Jesus does 'good deeds'.
Whether they are in seperable , put it this way. I know of a Christian who through illness has spent the last twenty years immobile in bed, unable to get up, stand loud noises, strong smells etc.
They cannot do 'good deeds' so are they a good Christian?
This Christian has prayed faithfully for years for other Christians. I would say that it depends how 'good deeds' are defined.
God never asks what is impossible. Good works are expected according to the talent, abilities and so on (what is given). That sick person is alright. We are talking about the majority of the people. Now look at this:
Which Is a Greater Risk of not being Saved? We have two interpretations at the moment.
Interpretation 1: Faith alone or Faith + 0;
Interpretation 2: Faith + Good Works.
Let us assume that Faith in both interpretations is the same as we have no reliable method to measure individual Faith.
Now let us apply a matrix " My Interpretation is Not Correct. But I Have My Followers and I had insisted that they stick to it (The Opposite Interpretation Is Correct)” to each interpretation in turn. Let us begin with Interpretation 2
In this case ( Interpretation 2) Faith remains and there is still a possibility and a chance to be pardoned and saved.
With Interpretation 1 it is not that simple. The unit “Good works” is missing. There would have been a chance to be pardoned and saved but the proponent had insisted on his Followers to accept Faith+0. And many of them encouraged by the proponent performed Zero or next to zero Good works (could have done much much more). This is hardly pardonable. And for the proponent the chance of being saved in this case is next to Zero or Zero.
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6 hours ago, Who me said:
Where have I said that?
If you do not agree to faith and good deeds as equal then would you agree that they are inseparable? Take faith as HEART and good works as BLOOD. One does not exist without the other.
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It is a long dispute. As you know there was an attempt to delete James from the Gospel. May be they will do it in some version in the future. This goes to show you how seriously it is in the way of some people. All other attempts (translation flaw, etc were not convincing) In the past it was not a problem. May be it became a problem in the 20th century. I take James ( a strong literally understood) interpretation literally and feel that I have this right.
James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
At the same time I do not object if you choose a milder interpretation. It is your choice. We should agree to differ. This will be surely answered when we meet the Creator. O.K.?
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15 minutes ago, Xethea said:
That means He never built a relationship with those people. He doesn't know them personally. There's love God has for all in His image, and I believe there's another sense of love He has with those whom He has saved and made as His adopted children. To say that God doesn't love them is adding to the words in this context. The Bible clearly says God loved the world. Who do you think that includes? Only the saved?
It is easier to think of those who He excludes. I guess He excludes those who He sends to hell.
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26 minutes ago, Xethea said:
I see. Thank you for your responses.
But still Jesus is son of man and God's son. In fact Jesus is God and he says:
Matthew 7:20-23 King James Version (KJV)
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
What does that mean? That means Jesus does not love such people. Is that right?
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2 minutes ago, Xethea said:
Again, that doesn't claim God doesn't love someone. That just claims the person doesn't have love in themselves. Does God not love everyone, only some? And why?
That is right ]. I SAID IT WAS MY MISTAKE about God' love. As for salvation it is your interpretation which I respect but do not quite agree with.
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1 hour ago, Xethea said:
That doesn't claim that God's "doesn't" love anyone. That just claims if you are of God, then you'll be hated, if you weren't, then the world would love you. This doesn't claim God "won't" or "doesn't" love anyone.
So where do you get that part where God won't love someone? Or have I somehow misunderstood you?
Thank you. You are right. It was my mistake. There are cases when God's love is not in a person that is correct: 1 John 2,15
15Do not lovethe world or anything in the world. If anyoneloves the world, the love of the Father is not inhim.
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1 hour ago, Xethea said:
Whoa, buddy! Hold your horses. Did you "literally" just claim God "doesn't" love someone, for in fact, just because the world loves them or for any other reason? As if, you find God has set His love conditionally?
John 15:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
The World Hates the Disciples
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
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4 hours ago, Who me said:
Actually vlad you do.
In the now closed thread on eternal punishment. I wrote that no ware does the bible teach that good works save.
You replied quote matthew on the sheep and goats as evidence that good works save.
I sussspect this was as I replied here merely an over stressing of the importance of works, but it shows the problem in over stressing works.
No, they are together. Continue to argue with James 2, 14
3 hours ago, enoob57 said:The conjunctive makes both necessary... but the initial salvation cannot be of works in any form of deed or of thought according to Scripture
Titus 3:5-7
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
KJV
The world is completely brainwashed by the do to get scenario but the whole of Scripture is pin pointed to that which goes on from here for eternity souls of humanity and His Word... now find works of here in that!Dear brothers, as there are many messages and I do not want to ignore them I suggest that the messages in which you quote me should begin with dealing with James 2, 14-24 to make it an orderly discussion.
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3 minutes ago, vlad said:
No, they are together. Continue to argue with James 2, 14
You accuse me of over stressing the words of Jesus. Can you over stress the words of Jesus Himself? Those were the very words of Jesus in Matthew. Can one over stress the words by Jesus? Is that at all possible?
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54 minutes ago, Who me said:
Actually vlad you do.
In the now closed thread on eternal punishment. I wrote that no ware does the bible teach that good works save.
You replied quote matthew on the sheep and goats as evidence that good works save.
I sussspect this was as I replied here merely an over stressing of the importance of works, but it shows the problem in over stressing works.
No, they are together. Continue to argue with James 2, 14
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You say: "The conjunctive makes both necessary........."
Please continue arguing with James 2, 14. and what is following.
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The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
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Thank You. I have got the answer to my question from several forum members in this thread. Jesus descended from king David through his mother Mary (Luke). It turned out that both Mary and Joseph descended from king David. Wish you success in plant breeding.