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22 hours ago, Yowm said:
1. Coming closer to the truth still comes through God's Word rather than the opinions of others.
2. Nothing wrong with Gospel citations
3. It may be too late then. Our assurance should be in His Good Works. Ours are always defective.
4. Hint Jesus died for the sins of all (general terms). 'ALL' includes me (personal terms).
5. True, babies grow up. But in your example of 'no works', a 'baby Christian' may fit the bill.
1.That is General Truth. I am talking about every day's life. If you want to know something about yourself personally the only way out is to find out what people think about you. You will see if you are a good person or a bad person for example. You may find examples of the importance of witnesses in the Gospel. What do you think they are for? According to your theory there is no need for them as God knows everything. Never look down on people even if you are very clever and clean. Only if you are a monk and live in a secluded place and pray all day and you are fasting then it is different. Then probably you personally reached the degree when you do not have to listen to others. I do not know may be you are one of such exceptional people like saint. 2. I am for the citations but I have seen posts with pages of citations. 3. Defective or not go on with good works. Otherwise bad works will crop up. If you are not with good works you are against them. 4. Yes he did . All the more reason not to be idle concerning faith and good works. You have try hard to be up to the mark in every respect now. 5. People who constantly without repentance do evil things instead of good things are not Christians at all even if they pray in public and thank God (I remember you said that when they thanked God it was their good work).
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1 hour ago, Yowm said:
The truth is found in the opinions of others?
They may not be born again or are baby Christians. Even their giving thanks to God is a good work.
Pleeze. Doesn't this forum itself teach you that out of 10 people you will get 12 opinions?
Who is talking about being 'self assured'? it is God's Word coupled with His Spirit that assures us that we are His children.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
(Rom 8:15-16)
Perhaps Vlad, you are the one lacking assurance?
Self critical? By what standard? God's Word or people's opinion?
1.I did not say the truth was found in the opinion of others. I said that you come closer to the truth about yourself that way. How else can anyone find anything about himself? 2.Anyway thank you for the fact you give your ideas without throwing books at me. What I feared the whole Gospel would be sent to me in the form of citations as is often the practice. 3. You hit the bull's eye. I am lacking assurance about my good works. The whole truth will be disclosed only in the other world. 4. What you said in the post is General Truth. The point is that you have to constantly ask yourself if it really covers you personally. 5.What is baby Christians if there is no sign of growing up and they die baby Christians?
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In James 14-17 I find this: "14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." One can not be a witness of himself. A person may think that he or she is reborn again and some are sure they are saved with a guarantee. If you want to come closer to the truth try to find out what others think about you as a person and about your good works. I know many important public persons who call themselves Christians but they severely lack good works. It is their own business I am not a judge but if they really wanted to find out if they are on right track they would try and learn about themselves from others, from other Christians. That is a problem of faith. I have read lots of posts in which people asserted it was all fixed between them and Jesus Christ and they are happy and relaxed. They say God does not go back on His Word and as they think they are reborn again it is all irreversible. I think being self-assured is the worst thing in faith and this alone is the lack of it. I think we Christians should be more self-critical and advise others to to be that way. Please do not throw books at me. I mean sometimes they try to send the whole Gospel in the form of citations. I would appreciate your ideas as it concerns your own state rather than General Truth.
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On 7/29/2018 at 3:16 PM, JW Answers said:
To say that Christians can lose their Salvation, shows that God is not perfect. How dare a person accuse God for losing someone's Soul...
Watch this video to help you understand ...
Edited by Omegaman 3.0
Links to videos are not allowed in this part of the forum, so the link has been removed. However, if a person wants to go see what the poster was trying to point others toward, searching on YouTube for "Salvation : Can we lose it?" in the JWAnswers channel, will locate it, but going of to other sites, should not be understood as approval or endorsement by Worthy Christian Forums
Right. Christians can not lose their salvation. The question is who is a Christian? Another question is how does a person make sure that he is reborn again? One thing if people say that he is reborn which is more reliable but not absolutely. Another thing is when a person feels that he is reborn and that is a subjective evaluation. Many people see things. For some people it is easy to say that they are reborn. I will not argue with them. Nor will I demand any proof. But honestly are all those who say they are reborn really reborn? It is easier with saints. Some people just seek "easy religion" when they say I love... I recognize... and so on and then finally say that they will be saved with a guarantee. Some say they have a special connection with Jesus and so on. Did anyone find out at least approximately how many Christians are there among those who call themselves Christians? What do you think?
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On 6/20/2018 at 7:24 AM, jello5 said:
I come here genuinely seeking instructions. I used to believe in God, and the idea of hell scared the **** out of me. I lived in constant (overwhelming) anxiety due to the fear of not being a good enough Christian and going to hell. I thought there was no way there was NO god, but I did fear I may be worshipping the wrong one. So I started looking at other religions; talking to people of different faiths, reading, watching debates, etc. Once I started watching debates, I began watching debates that involved atheists. My mind was blown by how much sense they made to me, and they seemed to be the only people who could intellectually take down people of non-Christian faiths, but then later started watching them debate Christians. I hated the fact that they made sense because I felt that even though they made sense God was still there and was going to punish me if it made too much sense. But eventually, after hearing enough arguments I had never heard before, learning more about evolution that I never knew, and taking a step back and realizing that I fundamentally disagree with many of the morals preached in the Bible, that I was gonna drop it entirely. I was fine for a while. I never, and still don't, have a "Jesus shaped hole" in my heart. But, unfortunately, society at large (especially in America) REALLY doesn't like atheists. When I used to go to church they acted as if they were synonymous with demons. I, along with everyone around me, thought similarly at the time. I figured anybody who didn't believe in God was evil, or at the very least far morally inferior to an average Christian. Well, my morals haven't changed one bit. I'm still just as nice, polite, and well-intentioned as I was before. So are all of the non-believers I've ever met. It now seems as though it never really shaped my morals... I just thought it did. Still, Christians hate atheists. Most Americans are Christians. I'm pretty much an outcast to everyone who knows and actually cares. It really only started to bother me because this is now true among my family and with a girl I've fallen in love with. After one big debate on Christmas break with my WHOLE family that my mother triggered, everyone in my family knows and everyone acts weird around me. The girl I love told me she loves me, but she can't be with someone who isn't following Christ. We still talk every day because our feelings are so strong for each other but she thinks that she's not supposed to be with me even though she loves every single other thing about me.
I want to believe. I really do. Seriously. But, I don't want it to give me anxiety that's so hardcore that I have constant panic attacks. AND, I've dug so deep into the "God vs No God" debates that I feel like I've heard pretty much every argument from both sides because I haven't found a new one from either side in sooooooo long and it's just super repetitive at this point. To me, it seems as though atheists won the argument.
Is there somebody who has some unique take, or can tell me something I probably don't know, or ANYTHING at all that could convince me that God is real again? I'm not trying to "debate" and show you how smart I am. I genuinely want somebody to change my mind and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I have this conversation a lot, and depending on who I'm having it with I'll pretty much say"please convince me" and whenever I ask a question that's too hard I'll either get "God works in mysterious ways" or "You just have to have faith." BS. Please, somebody, have a conversation with me like a human being and don't get all robotic trying to show off how pious you are and don't dodge any questions. Don't ask me if I've, "talked to God about it." I've tried. A lot. Even after I've proclaimed nonbelief. I'm sick of people leaving my life over this. Even if you can't convince me that God is real, can somebody please convince me that he's good so I can maybe fake it till I make it at some point. Please.
God is revealed to those who sincerely and really need Him. No science. no logic is leading to Him by themselves. You got to be like a child with open heart to receive Him. If you are critical and want scientific proof God will see you as a self-sufficient and proud person and will not be revealed to you. I give to you this very lame but analogy. You know that kids learn foreign languages much faster than grownups. Why? Grownups have better memories and can easily classify linguistic things. What do grownups lack? They lack trust. They are too critical and all the new foreign forms come to them passing a very thin "do I really need it and why do I need it" filter. This filter is not felt by the person but it exists in most grownups.
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On 9/27/2017 at 12:21 PM, Fidei Defensor said:
Gustov Diore's The Truimph of Christianity.
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Vert impressive. Thank you.
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2 hours ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:
There is a difference:
If I plan to do something that I am fully aware of that is not pleasing to God, and it goes against His commandments.
And my conscience says: It is wrong, it is sinful.
And even I knowing it I choose to do it anyway, and do not even try to avoid.
Willful sin has this pattern.
If I sin unwillingly, my conscience would be in peace as it did not said it was sin.
That is right in your case. You say: "If I sin unwillingly, my conscience would be in peace as it did not said it was sin".
Still many people can not always feel and decide that alone. It is hard to judge oneself. Christian brothers might help.
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8 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
I notice John made no distinction between sinning and sinning willfully.Perhaps God,using John as His mouthpiece, does not make a distinction between the two.To different degrees, all sin is willful.To those that misinterpret the Hebrews passage and are scared to death about it, they put that verse front and center and the whole Bible Revolves around it.Some believe that the Blood does not cover willful sins.....That would make The Blood Of Our Savior not worthless,just half worthless.Scary position to live by.
Right. There is sometimes no clearly cut distinction in the eyes of the sinner. It may seem not willful for the person involved. People often try and find some "objective circumstances". I think sins are mostly willful. Who can tell the difference? I think the best way is to ask Christian brothers to help find out what it was in every particular case.
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3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:
In the parable of the good stewards, we see how we can be rewarded for the good we do, that benefits the propose of Jesus Christ.
We are good stewards, in something, someone else is a good steward in something else, and that does not mean that he cannot come back and be a good steawrd to the Gospel, in the new covenant we have repentance.
The botom line is the rewards are beneficial to us if are given and we benefit from them in during our lifes here on eatrh, and we pass them on to benefit our children and wifes and brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ.
If Jesus has desired that we good and provide for our family, and be good to them and be friendly, then this is our mission to do his will in this matter, and from there he will expant and broden our understanding, don't be weary of doing good, then the Lord can have compassion grow in our hearts not only for our own but also for "our neibour", .
Then we may look back and see how he kept us away from the polution of this world, because we did not have time, for thinking and picking up the polution of this world, in general lines.
And the recognition of the good we do, of coarse is mention in Heavens, and Jesus mentions our name and rewards us from the good we do from heaven, in some way to benefit us while here on earth.
We may have faith that Jesus will rewards us for the good we do for the benefit of this life.
But if we do not step out to do the good, how can we receive the reward of the good, if we don't do the good.
Thank you. God bless you.
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The whole message beginning with "Scripture teaches that there will be degrees of punishment ..." was not mine. You may follow it in the thread. It was a good message may be by HAZARD.
About a year ago a message was sent as if by me. I reported that to the board. Luckily there was nothing embarrassing in that message either. It is all right so far.
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11 hours ago, Yowm said:
That all may be true, but 'degrees of punishment' wasn't what I asked Vlad.
Sorry, I did not post that message about the degrees of punishment. It was somebody else's message.
As for what reward I am sorry again I do not know. If you know, tell me, please.
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On 4/22/2018 at 2:40 AM, Yowm said:
What is the reward?
Sorry I do not know.
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Sorry I do not know.
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A special point. Good works or bad works are of extreme importance in case of leaders of nations. They can lead whole nations to either peace or disaster. As we know from history much depends on them. What should the Christians do? Wait and see what will happen or warn them if something is wrong? I think they should not be afraid to express a warning.
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I like this discussion. There is respect in it and no discord. It is peaceful and there are no such tags as "legalists" or "anti-legalists" as in other threads. As I see it essentially all participants agree to the same most important things.
As for myself when I used to analyse things scientifically it was easy as I dealt with discrete separate countable things. Spiritual things and all that goes with them are fused together. That reminds me of "practice without theory is blind and theory without practice is dead" Which is worse practice without theory or theory without practice? Both are worse.
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8 hours ago, Behold said:
Hello my Brother.
You would agree that there is nothing we can do that will improve upon The Blood of Jesus's ability to redeem us ? ? ?
Thats all im really saying.
It really all boils down to giving full credit to God through Christ alone for our Salvation, knowing that we of ourselves can't redeem ourselves, and because we know this, we rejoice in the GRACE that God has provided for us for free, so that we are able to be accepted by Him, by Faith.
There is even a lot of confusion amongst Believers about Faith, and the actual part it has to play in our eternal redemption.
The fact is, we are not saved by Faith, we are saved by God, THROUGH Faith., and this is why, "holding unto your faith" is just as useless to keep you saved, as holding onto your lawnmower, or holding unto your laundry.
The fact is, the truth is....God holds unto US, once He has accepted our faith to thereby give us His "gift of Righteousness", which allows Him to accept us, and KEEP US.
God accepts our faith to redeem us....through..... then we are kept redeemed by the sacrifice on the Cross that made it possible for Him to give us the Righteousness that He accepts on our behalf , for eternity, in the first place.
All of this is GRACE.....and that is why a real believer who has received the Light of the Revelation of the Atonement, undertstands we are saved by Grace and Kept by Grace......as Salvation is God's Amazing Grace, eternally given for FREE.
The Legalist, absolutely cant comprehend that if God can't accept you based on your work before He saved you based on your faith,.... then How can they then believe He will continue to accept you based on your works after you are SAVED? = (face palm).
They have a crazy Logic, circular, which is to say, they are deceived within their own heretical ideas that entirely omit the Blood of Christ's ability to do what it was given for FREE to do for the "world'..
Saten is the other one who does not understand "grace" or the reason for the Cross, as if He did, He would not have been deeply involved with Slaying the very one who IS Redemption, because OF the Cross.
So...
It is """ GOD who began the work of Salvation within you, and HE will be faithful to COMPLETE IT """...... as it is His Salvation, that HE devised and implemented, that He is completing on your behalf. Philippians 1:6
Salvation is NONE OF YOU<..... It is entirely ALL OF GOD's Provision, through Christ ALONE.
You then are expected to behave accordingly, which is your discipleship., while understanding that discipleship can't save you to begin with, and can't keep you saved, as it has no power to forgive your sin or create you to be born again.
A Legalist, who is trying to save themselves, can't grasp this, and will not try, as that is the effect of self righteousness, = that is the result of their hateful belligerent pride.
And regarding Living for the Lord......YOU SHOULD ........with the understanding that this is discipleship, and its what we do because of the Salvation that God has imputed to us, so that we are even become disciples, in truth.
A Legalist tries to subvert God's grace with their discipleship and will tell you that if you are not also doing this, you can "lose your salvation".
And the truth is, there are many who claim to be disciples of Christ, but in reality they are really just disciples within their own self righteousness, parading themselves around as real believers.
And this is why they will fight Grace and accuse anyone who is giving full credit to the Lord for what He alone has provided, of being "hyper Grace".
Legalists have assumed the role of savior of self as their "Grace", and reject Christ's Atonement and the Free Grace of God who provides it, as being dangerous and "hyper".
Real students of the Word, know that this is exactly what the Apostle Paul was dealing with as well, regarding the Gospel of GRACE that He preached.
"Nothing new under the sun".
blessings,
<B><
My subjective impression is that at some places people who call themselves Christians are many but good deeds are few if any at all. At some places. A severe lack of good deeds at some places is an indication of something wrong, isn't it?
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19 hours ago, Behold said:
Hello my Brother.
You would agree that there is nothing we can do that will improve upon The Blood of Jesus's ability to redeem us ? ? ?
Thats all im really saying.
It really all boils down to giving full credit to God through Christ alone for our Salvation, knowing that we of ourselves can't redeem ourselves, and because we know this, we rejoice in the GRACE that God has provided for us for free, so that we are able to be accepted by Him, by Faith.
There is even a lot of confusion amongst Believers about Faith, and the actual part it has to play in our eternal redemption.
The fact is, we are not saved by Faith, we are saved by God, THROUGH Faith., and this is why, "holding unto your faith" is just as useless to keep you saved, as holding onto your lawnmower, or holding unto your laundry.
The fact is, the truth is....God holds unto US, once He has accepted our faith to thereby give us His "gift of Righteousness", which allows Him to accept us, and KEEP US.
God accepts our faith to redeem us....through..... then we are kept redeemed by the sacrifice on the Cross that made it possible for Him to give us the Righteousness that He accepts on our behalf , for eternity, in the first place.
All of this is GRACE.....and that is why a real believer who has received the Light of the Revelation of the Atonement, undertstands we are saved by Grace and Kept by Grace......as Salvation is God's Amazing Grace, eternally given for FREE.
The Legalist, absolutely cant comprehend that if God can't accept you based on your work before He saved you based on your faith,.... then How can they then believe He will continue to accept you based on your works after you are SAVED? = (face palm).
They have a crazy Logic, circular, which is to say, they are deceived within their own heretical ideas that entirely omit the Blood of Christ's ability to do what it was given for FREE to do for the "world'..
Saten is the other one who does not understand "grace" or the reason for the Cross, as if He did, He would not have been deeply involved with Slaying the very one who IS Redemption, because OF the Cross.
So...
It is """ GOD who began the work of Salvation within you, and HE will be faithful to COMPLETE IT """...... as it is His Salvation, that HE devised and implemented, that He is completing on your behalf. Philippians 1:6
Salvation is NONE OF YOU<..... It is entirely ALL OF GOD's Provision, through Christ ALONE.
You then are expected to behave accordingly, which is your discipleship., while understanding that discipleship can't save you to begin with, and can't keep you saved, as it has no power to forgive your sin or create you to be born again.
A Legalist, who is trying to save themselves, can't grasp this, and will not try, as that is the effect of self righteousness, = that is the result of their hateful belligerent pride.
And regarding Living for the Lord......YOU SHOULD ........with the understanding that this is discipleship, and its what we do because of the Salvation that God has imputed to us, so that we are even become disciples, in truth.
A Legalist tries to subvert God's grace with their discipleship and will tell you that if you are not also doing this, you can "lose your salvation".
And the truth is, there are many who claim to be disciples of Christ, but in reality they are really just disciples within their own self righteousness, parading themselves around as real believers.
And this is why they will fight Grace and accuse anyone who is giving full credit to the Lord for what He alone has provided, of being "hyper Grace".
Legalists have assumed the role of savior of self as their "Grace", and reject Christ's Atonement and the Free Grace of God who provides it, as being dangerous and "hyper".
Real students of the Word, know that this is exactly what the Apostle Paul was dealing with as well, regarding the Gospel of GRACE that He preached.
"Nothing new under the sun".
blessings,
<B><
I agree with what you say. I am not a legalist. As I understand real good deeds are not really from people who believe themselves. They all are from God through the believers. My good deed if any is not my merit and there is nothing to be proud about it.
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6 hours ago, Yowm said:
What is the reward?
I do not know what a reward in every particular case is. My subjective impression is that at some places people who call themselves Christians are many but good deeds are few if any. At some places. And I can't explain it either.
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36 minutes ago, Yowm said:
I believe our motive for doing good deeds makes all the difference in the world. Are we doing them to try to earn/attain/retain righteousness or are we doing them out of a thankful heart because we already have these things in Jesus?
Who is doing righteousness for righteousness' sake? We are doing it out of a thankful heart. That does not mean there is no reward for it. Matthew 5: 9-10 . We are not doing it to earn a reward but there is a reward, isn't there?
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One great thing does not negate the other infinitely smaller thing. The main thing in salvation is that Jesus on the cross has the power to safe. That is clear and accepted. If I only do good deeds that alone will not save me that is clear. But doing good things does not make things worse. I think it makes things better. I can not prove it that it is better even for salvation but I guess that if someone stresses the point that good deeds and bad deeds are non-applicable in this matter at all it is his own decision. I think now that I accept that salvation comes from Jesus and God and also try to be better and hope it may be better during the judgement (though it is not in the scripture) is not a sin. Is all what is not written in the scripture wrong? I do not impose it on others. It is my decision for myself. It is my free will. I think it is a good will. Do you have anything against it?
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7 hours ago, Behold said:
Let me ask you a question, regarding what you have posted, so that you can consider something you are not considering when you are obviously trying to earn your salvation by your effort.
After the question, I'll post something you and all the other legalists who hang around this forum, need to consider for a while......
1.) These things , these works you have posted, these self effort pursuits to continue to stay accepted by GOD,........ Let me ask you this....... if Jesus had not died on a Cross....... would any of these things you are worried about, all these self effort works.....would any of them save you or keep you saved ? Would by doing them, cause God to accept you as His, if there was no Jesus on a Cross?
The answer is NO < !
So, its not a problem, if you love God with your LIFE, (discipleship)...which is the ONLY reason you are to be doing good works......but there is a big big issue within your non-understanding of the Atonement, if you do not understand that all your listed self effort deeds, OF THEMSELVES, are useless with regards to becoming saved or remaining saved..
As Salvation is not about what YOU DO.....its only about what GOD HAS DONE FOR YOU, as THIS is what Saves, and never anything related to your lifestyle or "works".
No doubt you have read...>"present your body a living sacrifice"...."mortify your members"...."be holy as God is holy"......Right?........you've read these before?
But you dont realize, that NONE OF THESE WILL SAVE YOU, AS NONE OF THEM DEAL WITH YOUR SIN = ...... ONLY JESUS ON A CROSS HAS THE POWER TO SAVE, TO RECONCILE, AND TO REDEEM.
NEVER LIFESTYLE.....NEVER WORKS.........EVER.
Listen, Salvation is NOT, Jesus on a Cross, + your self effort., because when you pursue God this way, you are subtracting CREDIT DUE HIM and CHRIST as the SOLE MEANS to save you.
LISTEN, there is ONE MEDIATOR, between you and GOD, ........and it is NOT YOUR SIN CONFESSION OR YOUR LIFESTYLE OR YOUR GOOD WORKS.
See, this is the curse of legalism,... and this is why Paul wrote Galatians 1:8......its for the purpose of showing you the gravity, the depth, and the abuse of the Blood of Jesus, ...whenever you decide to belittle it by trying to prove YOU and your DEEDS and your LIFESTYLE have to be a part of the Atonement for it to be completed.
You are not a part of it. !
You did not die on a Cross. !
You get ZERO credit for what Christ died to deliver to this world for FREE......, and this is the reason that all legalist, ALL = are Galatians 1:8.
So, Dont stay there.
Its not a place that gives the Credit due Christ Alone, = for Redemption that He alone suffered to provide.
Legalism, and Legalist LITERALLY ROB Christ the Glory and Credit DUE HIM ALONE, as they are taking it for themselves by preaching and teaching that LIFESTYLE, is a part of SALVATION.
Galatians 1:8.
Dont do that.
Its fine to explain that the reason you live for God and work for Christ is because you ARE SAVED, but you must never rob Christ of the full credit for the Atonement that He suffered and died to provide, as the only way to be saved, by teaching that WORKS. YOU DO< are to be added TO THE EFFECT OF THE CROSS, for it to be effective.
This is blasphemy, this is doing despite to the Spirit of Grace......THIS IS TAKING CREDIT FOR WHAT YOU DIE ON A CROSS TO DO......!!
SEE IT?
BETTER LOOK !
Never ever try to prove that YOUR works are required for salvation, as this demeans the Blood of Jesus, and it refutes AND CONTRIDICTS the Grace of God, and it proves that a legalist is cursed by their own TONGUE, AND self-righteousnes POINT OF VIEW, that they have substituted for the Atonement.
They are iNDEED "Fallen from GRACE".
They are INDEED > Galatians 1:8
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5 hours ago, Yowm said:
The good we do or the lack of it and especially our motive will be judged for rewards or loss of rewards at the Bema seat of Christ, a Judgment totally different of the Nations.
Bema seat, judges the Church...
2 Corinthians 5:10 NASBS
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.The Sheep and Goat Judgment judges the nations..
Matthew 25:31-33 NASBS
[31] "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. [32] All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [33] and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.Christians do not appear in this Judgment as it happens at the end of the great tribulation and is a judgment of the nations.
5 hours ago, Yowm said:The good we do or the lack of it and especially our motive will be judged for rewards or loss of rewards at the Bema seat of Christ, a Judgment totally different of the Nations.
Bema seat, judges the Church...
2 Corinthians 5:10 NASBS
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.The Sheep and Goat Judgment judges the nations..
Matthew 25:31-33 NASBS
[31] "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. [32] All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [33] and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.Christians do not appear in this Judgment as it happens at the end of the great tribulation and is a judgment of the nations.
1).Please comment on Matthew 25:41-46.
2). If we are already forgiven forever, why do we sincerely ask for forgiveness for our sins, that is also for your own sins, several times every day and every week, and every month, and never stop asking in the Lord's prayer?
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On 4/18/2018 at 7:24 PM, Yowm said:
It definitely is a different thread especially glaring errors such as this from your link..
Anyways, that link never answered my question.
The Final judgement.
When a person knows that he is not perfect it is not an excuse to be idle or not even try be better and to do good deeds by practically defending others by simply openly siding with them. No one is expected to say: "Oh, I can not be perfect so I will not fight with injustice, I will not try to be better!" That is what I mean. That is unfortunately the policy of some people who are afraid to defend poor people before the authorities by mere siding with them in public, by openly saying it. They say that this world can not be changed so why bother. At the same time some brave unbelievers are not afraid to defend people against injustice. Why? Of course most Christians are doing good deeds and try to be better themselves and fight injustice.
I did not get your answer on Matthew 25:41-46 where I think there is an indication to what is awaiting those who overlook good deeds (good works) however imperfect we are.
Struggling with a lack of faith?
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Posted · Edited by vlad
#5. You say their giving of thanks and prayers are a good work. Not always. Not necessarily. I think it is also important what motivation people have when they pray or give thanks to God. Do you know that there are many criminals who are praying before they commit a crime and then give thanks (they think to God). They sincerely believe that they are Christians and will be pardoned for their weaknesses. And there are so many other half and half cases like that.