Steve_S
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What saddens me is that there are Christians who believe this is a good thing.
Just another step in a long progression away from God in this country. There are millions of Christians who will go to the ballot box and pull the lever (metaphorically, of course) for a democrat in 2012 as well.
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"crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others."
Given the immense news presence in Egypt at the moment, I very much doubt that this is true. In front of the palace?
It would have been on every TV screen in the world, on You Tube, Facebook, Twitter, etc, within minutes.
So I doubt this is fact.
Though this may not be true, there has certainly been an increase in Christian persecution there since the Muslim Brotherhood has gotten a greater grip on power.
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The foundations are being eroded by humanism. I wrote in a former post about the Humanist Manifesto 2 and how its tenets are being incorporated into national laws around the globe a little at a time. Do we think for an instant that some of the things now being bandied about in American jurisprudence just up and happened? Did America just one day wake up and decide to abort billions of future offspring, legalize Sodomitism, mollycoddle criminals, mis-educate our children and do all the other things that we as a nation have done? The foundations of our country have been eroded a little at a time for years by the spiritual termites of humanism.
The false prophets have come from our own churches as well as the ranks of the godless. We are the last Christian nation and we hang by a thread. There are still a number of people in America who cling to Christ and I am convinced that it is that remnant that keeps us afloat, even though we're taking on water and listing badly.
We're already under what appears to be a national judgment, and in Scripture, whenever that happens, it is a demand from God for national repentance. And if that national repentance doesn't take place, the next step is usually an invasion or other destruction from a foreign power.
No dear, y'all are most certainly NOT the last Christian nation. If you think the US is a Christian nation, then you should know that you have
alot of company. On the other hand, if you think you are better than the rest of the world? I would suggest, nicely of course, that you take
a round trip....round the world.
Without prejudice
I don't see any "Christian nations" out there right now. I see nations with Christians in them.
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Guess what? God's name has been removed from the Democratic National Committee platform.
http://www.worthynew...-platform-aspx/
Not a shock.
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A jew OR a christian voting for Obama is like a turkey voting for Thanksgiving!
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Steve_S,
So my question to you is why we need a Bible at all? Has the Holy Spirit dictated to you every single one of God's truths, the history of the church, the history of the Jews, and the creation of the world? How do you know that the story about Jesus being baptized is true, you got it from a translation of the Bible? What made you believe any of it before you were saved, as you didn't have the Holy Spirit guiding you then?
I CERTAINLY think that we have a guarantee of a preserved written word, for just this purpose.
Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
My main question to you, though, is why would a God that had enough power to perform these actions and to say and dictate these words in the first place be too weak to preserve them in different translations?
ok, I'll break it down for you:
/ So my question to you is why we need a Bible at all? / It is a great study guide for use, but second to the Holy Spirit.
/ Has the Holy Spirit dictated to you every single one of God's truths, / No,, still learning
/ the history of the church, / has confirmed the truth of what I do know, again still learning
/ the history of the Jews, / has confirmed the truth of what I do know, again still learning
/ and the creation of the world? / has confirmed the truth of what I do know, again still learning
/ My main question to you, though, is why would a God that had enough power to perform these actions and to say and dictate these words in the first place be too weak to preserve them in different translations /
God is anything but weak, God gave us the way to preserve His word. I'm not saying that the written word is of no use.. It holds great value to all that pick up the Bible and read. Buy reading the word you hear the word. But to get God's take, God's truth from within the scriptures you need more than the translated written word,, You need the assist of God himself.
/ What made you believe any of it before you were saved, as you didn't have the Holy Spirit guiding you then? /
I didn't believe a single word of scripture before I was saved and had never so much as thought about reading the Bible before I was saved. I believe God (Father, Son and Spirit) was just a bunch of hogwash and fairy tales. I would blow off Christians as fakes and fairy tale spinneres before I was saved. If a Christian tryed to share with me before I came to know Jesus, they were in for a brutal beating (you would not believe the pain that can be produced for two small pieces of bamboo).. I had no time for such non sence in my days of service to satins camp. I had attended 0 days of church service before I came to know Jesus.
One day while helping a friend clear out his mom's storage bin after her death, I was handed his mom's Bible to pack in a box, and something inside me hurt like I'd never hurt before in my life. I didn't read one passage out of this book, just placed into the box and passed off the pain as a prior injury acting up. In reality this was the first day of Jesus working within me. Within a short time my Pick up Truck broke down in front of a small church, I went in to ask to use the phone and came out a changed man. I finally bought a Bible about a year later, to assist in my education with and by the Holy Spirit.
Steve _S, Look at it this way, if you read a book on my life, could you learn more from the book, or more from talking directly to me?? Same goes for God, We can all learn alot from the translated word, but to learn it the best you need God at your side as you study His word.
Hope is helps clear any confussion I may have set in motion. Thanks for the reply
God bless
Linehaul
I don't disagree with you in principle and I certainly think that the Holy Spirit guides us in interpretation, but I think that it's for our understanding, not because of the inadequacy of the texts that have been preserved. I think our main disagreement is whether or not there is an accurate version or versions that exist. I would think that anything that God preserved would be wholly adequate and incredibly accurate.
Are there any examples you can give of Bibles you've read being errant in areas that you feel the Spirit has guided you to the truth on, specific verses, etc.?
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I wasn't using that verse in and of itself, just to prove that this wasn't only talking about homosexuals, which it clearly isn't:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
And, still, no one has said that we shouldn't pray for non-believers. But we cannot pray them into eternal life. That is still a matter of their personal relationship with Jesus.
Regardless of how you interpret that biblical verse, it still has nothing to do with anything I posted. God is the only one who decides who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. You cannot tell God that this person should go to Hell because he/she did not have a personal relationship with Jesus...and that this other one should go to Heaven, etc, etc, etc. That is up to God to decide. All I do is pray for His mercy for all mankind because we are all sinners.
I'm not saying we are taking away God's decision. You're putting words into my mouth. I'm simply telling you what God said, and that's that you don't go to heaven without Jesus. It's that simple. Those are not my words and that is not MY doctrine. That is the doctrine of salvation through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. You CANNOT get to the Father but through the Son. This is in scripture. I'm not judging anyone. As a matter or fact, this is one of the first things we tell non-believers when we evangelize to them is it not? God TELLS US what His stipulations for going to heaven are, why would He have lied about that?
So, what exactly is your argument with me? Did I not state in my post that God is our only salvation?
I don't have an argument per se, but I keep getting an intimation that you believe it's possible that there is an alternative path to salvation for those who do not know Jesus. I apologize if I'm incorrect.
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I wasn't using that verse in and of itself, just to prove that this wasn't only talking about homosexuals, which it clearly isn't:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
And, still, no one has said that we shouldn't pray for non-believers. But we cannot pray them into eternal life. That is still a matter of their personal relationship with Jesus.
Regardless of how you interpret that biblical verse, it still has nothing to do with anything I posted. God is the only one who decides who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. You cannot tell God that this person should go to Hell because he/she did not have a personal relationship with Jesus...and that this other one should go to Heaven, etc, etc, etc. That is up to God to decide. All I do is pray for His mercy for all mankind because we are all sinners.
I'm not saying we are taking away God's decision. You're putting words into my mouth. I'm simply telling you what God said, and that's that you don't go to heaven without Jesus. It's that simple. Those are not my words and that is not MY doctrine. That is the doctrine of salvation through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. You CANNOT get to the Father but through the Son. This is in scripture. I'm not judging anyone. As a matter or fact, this is one of the first things we tell non-believers when we evangelize to them is it not? God TELLS US what His stipulations for going to heaven are, why would He have lied about that?
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There will be no one who can claim "ignorance" at the judgment. The earth and the heavens testify to GOD's existance. The entirety of scripture teaches of the need for and the coming of a Savior. The first was in the Garden of Eden, where GOD shed innocent blood to cover Adam and Eve's neckedness (sin). No one get's to the Father but through Christ.
There are people in this world today who have never read the Holy Bible nor heard of the Jesus of the Bible because they were raised in another religion. Some countries such as those in Saudi Arabia have a ban on the Holy Bible, and Christian missionaries are forbidden from evangelizing there. So, it would make it difficult for anyone to read the Bible or hear the gospel preached in such countries, and it would not be their fault.
Romans 1:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Instead of quoting scripture, why don't you just simply say what's on your mind? Are you telling me that it is wrong to pray for God's mercy for everyone including those who don't know him and only pray for Christians?
Sometimes the scripture speaks for itself without the need for further elucidation from our minds, Selene, and I don't see how that scripture elicits that question from you, which is accusatory and divisive.
It is always best if the poster says what's on their mind because in the first place, this scripture has nothing to do with what I said.....so I have no idea why it was posted to me. St. Paul wrote that scripture to the Christians in Rome, and this particular passage that was quoted to me has to do with homosexuality. I did not post anything about homosexuality under this thread. The only thing I posted is that we pray for God's mercy for everyone rather than for His judgement. If you disagree with what I say, then say so, but don't twist what I say into something else. As I said, I did not post anything about homosexuality under this thread.
Paul went on to discuss homosexuality, but this particular verse doesn't have a purely anti-homosexual context and can be taken in a blanket manner, as is seen by the preceding two verses.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness" is a pretty blanket statement and this almost certainly applies to verse 20 in a general sense.
"For the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness" - is speaking about behavior. Ungodliness and unrighteousness is about the sinful behavior of people. But again, what has this have to do with what I posted about praying for God's mercy for everyone?
I wasn't using that verse in and of itself, just to prove that this wasn't only talking about homosexuals, which it clearly isn't:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
And, still, no one has said that we shouldn't pray for non-believers. But we cannot pray them into eternal life. That is still a matter of their personal relationship with Jesus.
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There will be no one who can claim "ignorance" at the judgment. The earth and the heavens testify to GOD's existance. The entirety of scripture teaches of the need for and the coming of a Savior. The first was in the Garden of Eden, where GOD shed innocent blood to cover Adam and Eve's neckedness (sin). No one get's to the Father but through Christ.
There are people in this world today who have never read the Holy Bible nor heard of the Jesus of the Bible because they were raised in another religion. Some countries such as those in Saudi Arabia have a ban on the Holy Bible, and Christian missionaries are forbidden from evangelizing there. So, it would make it difficult for anyone to read the Bible or hear the gospel preached in such countries, and it would not be their fault.
Romans 1:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Instead of quoting scripture, why don't you just simply say what's on your mind? Are you telling me that it is wrong to pray for God's mercy for everyone including those who don't know him and only pray for Christians?
Sometimes the scripture speaks for itself without the need for further elucidation from our minds, Selene, and I don't see how that scripture elicits that question from you, which is accusatory and divisive.
It is always best if the poster says what's on their mind because in the first place, this scripture has nothing to do with what I said.....so I have no idea why it was posted to me. St. Paul wrote that scripture to the Christians in Rome, and this particular passage that was quoted to me has to do with homosexuality. I did not post anything about homosexuality under this thread. The only thing I posted is that we pray for God's mercy for everyone rather than for His judgement. If you disagree with what I say, then say so, but don't twist what I say into something else. As I said, I did not post anything about homosexuality under this thread.
Paul went on to discuss homosexuality, but this particular verse doesn't have a purely anti-homosexual context and can be taken in a blanket manner, as is seen by the preceding two verses.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness" is a pretty blanket statement and this almost certainly applies to verse 20 in a general sense.
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Go to any Christian forum and you'll find a debate about; which english version of the scripture is the best, (closest to God's truth) version to study. Which version is the pure version. Which version is going to last the longest to preserve God's truth.
Many believe the the King James Version is the only version of the written word worth studying, others claim that many or all english versions have the truth of God's word between the covers. And others just write their own version to suit their need of religion.
Ok now the facts about any and all writen (english & else) translations. No where in the Scripture is the written word promised. Think about this folks, again no where within the scriptures is a written version of God's word promised to us. There is a very good reason for this. Man the translator is flawed. God the Father promised us Jesus, Jesus God the son promised the Holy Spirit. All english versions of the Scriptures have flaws, even the King James Version.
So how do christians get the truth that God has to offer us. How do we recieve God's word, God's truth and not that of man. Look to the example Jesus gives us. Jesus goes to John the Baptist, is baptised and recieves the Holy Spirit before moving on to his public ministry. From that time to the 1400's the time of the printing press intented only Hebrew and Greek text was availible in written form. Not many had or could read these text.
The Apostiles had no written word to go on, only the Holy Spirit. The English translations are a good second source of learning, a great place to start, but still to this day the best source of study is with the Holy Spirit. Jesus promised: the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truths, not the english translation of other text, translated by flawed man.
Any Christian that dose'nt study with the Holy Spirit at their side will not come to know the truth with any version of the Bible. I'm sure this will rattle off into many directions. Some will agree, some will disagree, some will just be more confused. It's ok, we are human and humans are flawed, all of us (finger pointing back at myself). But the Holy Spirit is Pure, True, and the third person of the Godhead "the Holy Spirir of God".
God bless all
Linehaul
So my question to you is why we need a Bible at all? Has the Holy Spirit dictated to you every single one of God's truths, the history of the church, the history of the Jews, and the creation of the world? How do you know that the story about Jesus being baptized is true, you got it from a translation of the Bible? What made you believe any of it before you were saved, as you didn't have the Holy Spirit guiding you then?
I CERTAINLY think that we have a guarantee of a preserved written word, for just this purpose.
Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
My main question to you, though, is why would a God that had enough power to perform these actions and to say and dictate these words in the first place be too weak to preserve them in different translations?
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There will be no one who can claim "ignorance" at the judgment. The earth and the heavens testify to GOD's existance. The entirety of scripture teaches of the need for and the coming of a Savior. The first was in the Garden of Eden, where GOD shed innocent blood to cover Adam and Eve's neckedness (sin). No one get's to the Father but through Christ.
There are people in this world today who have never read the Holy Bible nor heard of the Jesus of the Bible because they were raised in another religion. Some countries such as those in Saudi Arabia have a ban on the Holy Bible, and Christian missionaries are forbidden from evangelizing there. So, it would make it difficult for anyone to read the Bible or hear the gospel preached in such countries, and it would not be their fault.
Romans 1:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Instead of quoting scripture, why don't you just simply say what's on your mind? Are you telling me that it is wrong to pray for God's mercy for everyone including those who don't know him and only pray for Christians?
Sometimes the scripture speaks for itself without the need for further elucidation from our minds, Selene, and I don't see how that scripture elicits that question from you, which is accusatory and divisive.
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Inventory overload at university.
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Just for laughs.
OAJ
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I was simply pondering what you were intimating. Do you believe that there's an exception to this?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
I do believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. What makes you think that I believe there would be an exception to Chris?. All salvation comes only from God. Just because we pray for God's mercy for all people rather than for His judgement does not imply anything. We always pray for God's mercy for everyone including for those who don't believe in Him. To pray for everyone including unbelievers shows true love. Surely, you don't think that we should only pray for Christians?
Absolutely not, I just wanted to clarify.
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I was simply pondering what you were intimating. Do you believe that there's an exception to this?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
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There will be no one who can claim "ignorance" at the judgment. The earth and the heavens testify to GOD's existance. The entirety of scripture teaches of the need for and the coming of a Savior. The first was in the Garden of Eden, where GOD shed innocent blood to cover Adam and Eve's neckedness (sin). No one get's to the Father but through Christ.
There are people in this world today who have never read the Holy Bible nor heard of the Jesus of the Bible because they were raised in another religion. Some countries such as those in Saudi Arabia have a ban on the Holy Bible, and Christian missionaries are forbidden from evangelizing there. So, it would make it difficult for anyone to read the Bible or hear the gospel preached in such countries, and it would not be their fault.
All we have is what the Bible says.
John 4:16. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Not everyone has the Bible because it's banned in some countries such as Saudi Arabia and Christians are forbidden to evangelize there.
I understand that, but those are Jesus' own words. I don't feel that there's much else that can be said, regardless of how we feel about it.
Those words were said 2000 years ago. Muslims don't know that unless they actually read the Bible or hear the Gospel preached by Christians, which isn't going to happen due to the circumstances created by their own government.
Does that matter? All I know is what the Bible says. We can reason this out all we want, Jesus said what he said. Are you saying there's a way to the father that's NOT through Jesus, for people like muslims who have never heard the message?
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There will be no one who can claim "ignorance" at the judgment. The earth and the heavens testify to GOD's existance. The entirety of scripture teaches of the need for and the coming of a Savior. The first was in the Garden of Eden, where GOD shed innocent blood to cover Adam and Eve's neckedness (sin). No one get's to the Father but through Christ.
There are people in this world today who have never read the Holy Bible nor heard of the Jesus of the Bible because they were raised in another religion. Some countries such as those in Saudi Arabia have a ban on the Holy Bible, and Christian missionaries are forbidden from evangelizing there. So, it would make it difficult for anyone to read the Bible or hear the gospel preached in such countries, and it would not be their fault.
All we have is what the Bible says.
John 4:16. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Not everyone has the Bible because it's banned in some countries such as Saudi Arabia and Christians are forbidden to evangelize there.
I understand that, but those are Jesus' own words. I don't feel that there's much else that can be said, regardless of how we feel about it.
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Hi Parker1:
Take a coin out of your pocket, and read the "In God We Trust" on it.
America is a christian nation (for the most part). It's also a nation that fights for the freedom of people all over the world, as well as (the atheist) here in america.
Also ckeck the most quoted verse in scripture: John 3.16 and don't over look the "who so ever" part.
Just keeping it real.
A Christian nation that allows unborn children to be legally murdered by the hundreds of millions and that doesn't allow children to pray in school, not to mention disciplining children who do attempt to publicly profess Jesus or tproselytize in the halls of those schools. If this were a "Christian nation," those things and many other heinous ones would not be endorsed here.
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There will be no one who can claim "ignorance" at the judgment. The earth and the heavens testify to GOD's existance. The entirety of scripture teaches of the need for and the coming of a Savior. The first was in the Garden of Eden, where GOD shed innocent blood to cover Adam and Eve's neckedness (sin). No one get's to the Father but through Christ.
There are people in this world today who have never read the Holy Bible nor heard of the Jesus of the Bible because they were raised in another religion. Some countries such as those in Saudi Arabia have a ban on the Holy Bible, and Christian missionaries are forbidden from evangelizing there. So, it would make it difficult for anyone to read the Bible or hear the gospel preached in such countries, and it would not be their fault.
All we have is what the Bible says.
John 4:16. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Detestable.
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Eat more chicken.
steve, the letters were KXZ; and you have to give three more when you're done
Keep xerotic zoos.
AOV
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That's interesting. This is the first I've heard of two Great Floods. The footnotes and references in my Bible actually speaks of two different sources of the Great Flood, but concluded that there are the same flood despite the differences in details. It is obvious in the Holy Bible that there were two different groups of people writing about the same flood because the details of the flood are not exactly the same. For example, there were actually two different commands that God gave Noah regarding the animals.
Genesis 6:19-20 Of all other living cretures you shall bring two into the ark, one male and one female, that you may keep them alive with you. Of all kinds of birds, of all kinds of beasts, and of all kinds of creeping things, two of each shall come into the ark with you, to stay alive.
Genesis 7:2-3 Of every clean animal, take with you seven pairs, a male and its mate; and of the unclean animals, one pair, a male and its mate; likewise, of every clean bird of the air, seven pairs, a male and a female, and of all the unclean birds, one pair, a male and a female. Thus you will keep their issue alive over all the earth.
Many times, we assume that Noah only brought two pairs of each animals as said in Genesis 6:19-20, but we often overlook God's command in the next chapter, which says a totally different thing. In Chapter 7, God commands Noah to bring seven pairs of clean animals and only one pair of unclean animals. Two different instructions......because they came from two different sources. There were actually more than one person who wrote Genesis. And the texts were put together without bothering to check for consistency. I guess, how many animals Noah brought into the Ark is irrelevant.
I've never really had a problem with the by twos or by sevens. To sum it up completely, for my part, I understand it to mean 2 of everything except fowls and CLEAN beasts, of which you bring 14 of each. This would make reasonable sense as they would likely eventually be consuming the ones they were bringing in 7 pairs.
The inconsistency in the numbers does not bother me as well. However, I don't think any of these animals are meant to be eaten. According to Chapter 6, after instructing Noah to bring two pairs of every animals, God then instructed Noah to keep these animals alive (See Genesis 6:19-20). Then in Chapter 7, God also told Noah to keep the 7 pairs of unclean animals and 1 pair of unclean animals alive (See Genesis 7:2-3). Nevertheless, I'm sure Noah and his sons were smart enough to go out and get extra animals of their own (and even food for the animals brought into the ark) otherwise it's going to be fruits and vegetables for the entire 40 days and 40 nights.
I'm not talking about for food while ON the ark, but after the flood. In other words, after the flood was over it's quite logical that noah and his family would set up farms, etc., that would require clean animals to run properly.
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Not quite. I thought I would give more folks a chance to weigh in. I am leaning towards these two though.
"No heart can conceive that treasury of mercies which lies in this one privilege, in having liberty and ability to approach unto God at all times, according to his mind and will." JOHN OWEN
"If God be our God, He will give us peace in trouble. When there is a storm without, He will make peace within. The world can create trouble in peace, but God can create peace in trouble." THOMAS WATSON
I'd go with the watson one, it reminds me of a sermon I recently heard.
If Steve is choosing that one I'd like to change my vote.
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That's interesting. This is the first I've heard of two Great Floods. The footnotes and references in my Bible actually speaks of two different sources of the Great Flood, but concluded that there are the same flood despite the differences in details. It is obvious in the Holy Bible that there were two different groups of people writing about the same flood because the details of the flood are not exactly the same. For example, there were actually two different commands that God gave Noah regarding the animals.
Genesis 6:19-20 Of all other living cretures you shall bring two into the ark, one male and one female, that you may keep them alive with you. Of all kinds of birds, of all kinds of beasts, and of all kinds of creeping things, two of each shall come into the ark with you, to stay alive.
Genesis 7:2-3 Of every clean animal, take with you seven pairs, a male and its mate; and of the unclean animals, one pair, a male and its mate; likewise, of every clean bird of the air, seven pairs, a male and a female, and of all the unclean birds, one pair, a male and a female. Thus you will keep their issue alive over all the earth.
Many times, we assume that Noah only brought two pairs of each animals as said in Genesis 6:19-20, but we often overlook God's command in the next chapter, which says a totally different thing. In Chapter 7, God commands Noah to bring seven pairs of clean animals and only one pair of unclean animals. Two different instructions......because they came from two different sources. There were actually more than one person who wrote Genesis. And the texts were put together without bothering to check for consistency. I guess, how many animals Noah brought into the Ark is irrelevant.
I've never really had a problem with the by twos or by sevens. To sum it up completely, for my part, I understand it to mean 2 of everything except fowls and CLEAN beasts, of which you bring 14 of each. This would make reasonable sense as they would likely eventually be consuming the ones they were bringing in 7 pairs.
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I picked the current church I'm attending almost entirely based on doctrine and method of study, and it just so happens that they're a really great group of brothers and sisters in Christ. My biggest recommendation would be research. There's also nothing wrong at all with visiting different churches until you find one that you feels suit you doctrinally and emotionally.