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well then what about mental and spiritual blindness - twinc

Dinosaurs were buried alongside modern animals and plants - hopefully the end for evolution and millions of years - see it on the internet at www.TheGrandExperiment.com /living fossils - part 2 by Dr.Carl Werner - twinc

this is what yesterday.s children/today's adults were taught - so can we wonder at the non science and nonsense we get on forums and the mixed up and confused falling away from the faith of their fathers in droves by school leavers and adults also - so here it is see and decide for yourself Junior education = via google see [Fact vs Faith/Textbooks] - Senior education = www.EvolutionvsGod.com - twinc

why is it easy to accept that God allows or chooses some to be born physically blind or disabled and yet some cannot accept that this may also apply mentally and/or spiritually - twinc

bopeep not here I am not - it seems you did not google [Hell's best kept secret] especially at the start - twinc

Parker do you not know - has no one told you - have you not realised and accepted or have you thrown it all away and have disqualified yourself - watch for my post 'the realyreally simply good news' that is neither really good nor simple for some as Jesus said - twinc

everybody seems to be a born again Christian and some are born again and again - before we go any further you must via google see [Hell's best kept secret]] - twinc

yes He said this to Nicodemus who was not a Christian - imho what He said and implied was one must be born again as a Christian not born again when already a Christian - twinc

why we need the righteousness of Christ - has anyone took 'the good test' lately, to do so try it at google [The good Test] - twinc

what God joins together let no man put asunder - twinc

good as it may sound to others not at all true imho for at the very start Jesus did not say Christians must be born again - we are chosen and Jesus has ensured that we qualify as little Christian children and must simply simply continue to simply simply believe as at Jn.20:31 - twinc

they are not aware, in the main , that it is forbidden and anathema for Catholics to accept or teach 'Origins' Evolution and so it should be for all bible believing Christians - adaptation and/or variation or micro evolution is not in doubt as obvious as is also natural selection - twinc

That's exactly the point Viole. Since it doesn't happen yet it must have then there was a cause, and since there wasn't any mass/energy by necessity since mass and energy were created then it was an immaterial cause. You're proving the point you're seeking to reject. So, the answer to my question is ...? Do you have evidence of something "beginning to exist" which does not require pre-existing mass energy? Apart from the universe itself, of course How many times do you need us to answer the question? Your personality and Luftwaffle's post are two answers you fled from. Why do you need more from which to run away? Further, the whole point that the only instances we can cite are the results of immaterial minds calling things into existance since material things are not popping into being out of nothing proves the point. We've established that from nothing, nothing comes, we've established that from the agency of consciousness things begin to exist, and it's established that the material universe is finite because of entropy and the laws of motion (otherwise you have an infinite regression of past events), and you're establishing that matter and energy don't just pop into being from nothing (which you don't seem to realize is cutting off the branch you're sitting on) therefore matter and energy had to come into existance from an immaterial consciousness. What you think is a defeater for this argument is actually continuing to lend support to the arguement. 1. Matter and energy don't just pop into being uncaused out of nothing. 2. Anything that doesn't just pop into being uncaused out of nothing came caused out of something. 3. Therefore matter and energy had a cause from something. You're attempts at including qualified defeaters are logically incoherent and you continue to prove yourself wrong.

so lets see - does nothing happen where you are or does everything happen where you are - you must try very hard and understand that once upon a time long,long,long ago nothing happened,blew itself to bits,in fact millions of bits and these millions of bits of nothing formed everything - I kid you not - twinc