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Actually it was Galilean Passover (Pesach Galiyl) on which they took a point of disagreement among levitical scholars as to the date the actual Seder was to occur (erev 14 Abib / Nisan or erev 15 Nisan / Abib). Passover is actually a combination of three feasts. Passover Seder, feast of unleavened bread, and feat of first fruits (barley harvest). This is what they disputed over: Exodus 12:18 (KJV) 18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. Leviticus 23:5-7 (KJV) 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Exodus 12:6 (KJV) 6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. Should Passover be on the eve of 14 Nisan / Abib and then the feast of unleavened bread on the 15th? Or both n the 15 since the sacrifice of the Pascal Lamb was to be on the 14th? The official version was the combined with the feast at sunset. The Galilean Passover was a bit later than sunset as the preparations were made that same evening. Both were practiced in Jesus' day. The Sanhedrin tolerated it because it helped with crowd control as the Holy City was besieged with sojouners at Passover. In my pov the Holy Spirit brilliantly inspired Moses to write the texts so that there would be a Passover Jesus could keep with his disciples and then be crucified as the official Passover Lamb was being sacrificed. I'm guessing one could hear the shofar trumping as Jesus gave up his Spirit.

So, you do not believe Jew and Gentile are attached to something greater than either when they have faith in Yeshua? Romans 11. That this vehicle (which did not change from covenant to covenant, btw) is not the spiritual house of Israel... in your pov shiloh? And stop with the superior attitude yourself.

Genesis 22 (NASB95) 1 Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him,

{{{sigh}}} No it's not, because I'm not a replacement theologian. I thought you saw the difference. Replacement theology teaches that Christians replace Jews as God's people. I stated repeatedly this is false. That the Jews are still God's people OF THIS WORLD even if they are in unbelief. Even if they end up in hell when they die. They are God's testimony to mankind (even in antithesis to the Messiah; their extrabiblical writings against Yeshua are a Hebrew testimonial of his historicity, for example... then there's the prophetic time clock... etc.). Christians and Jews who believe in Jesus are God's people FROM HEAVEN. We are his ambassadors as citizens of the Jerusalem from above... That awful replacement theology holds to none of these things but teaches God dumped the Jews because they refused to believe in Jesus. This has eternal consequences, but it does not mean God dumped Israel. I guess I'll keep going this alone until someone is burdened with seeing the light. {{{sigh}}}

Palm Sunday was more than likely Palm Saturday (Sabbath). The procession which the Pharisees objected to was the advent of the Messiah. Which the Psalms prophesied in part at this juncture but is targeted for the Armageddon scenario when out of desperation as a last resort after everything else fails, the few Jews who remain and are about to be exterminated by the seething population of the world will cry out to Jesus: blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, and he will return and save those who cried out for him destroying the armies arrayed against them. Matthew 23:39 (NASB95) 39 “For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” Luke 13:35 (NASB95) 35 “Behold, your house is left to you desolate; and I say to you, you will not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” Hosanna is actually Hosha Nah! Save now! Palm Sabbath is significant for all the reasons already given so I will not repeat them. Well done guys and gals! I would only add that Tamar Shabbat in that it is the fulfillment of Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy (well, 69 of them). From the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus to rebuild the city and the temple in 445 BCE to 10 Nisan 32 CE **was 173,880 days. And the day was the day of chosing the pascal lamb for the Pesach Passover feast. Exodus 12:3 (NASB95) 3 “Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying, ‘On the tenth of this month they are each one to take a lamb for themselves, according to their fathers’ households, a lamb for each household. John 1:29 (NASB95) 29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! April 6, 32 CE

God gave it for counting (holy days etc). For man it was for covenants, business, bargains, dealings... someone had to pay retail...

Uh, you are not exactly correct. Gentile believers are grafted into Israel as that is what Paul is saying in His Olive tree metaphor. The entire Olive Tree is Israel and Gentiles have been included by faith into Israel. Finally. Someone who reads their Bible just as it says.

Um The NATURAL branches of the tree are Israel... And the WILD branches (the Gentiles of the Church) grafted in are NOT grafted into Israel? IS that what you are saying? Think this through...

It's almost easier to chart this in columns into each you place the individual characteristics, offices, accomplishments... God individual "A" | God individual "B" | God individual "C" Heavenly Father | Father of Creation | Writer of Bible of Incarnate Son | Incarnate Son | Holy Spirit Etc.

Jesus is not "the Heavenly Father." But He is a Father. He is the Creator of all things created in the beginning. John 1:1-3 (NASB95) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. Colossians 1:16 (NASB95) 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities

Nebula, I understand where you are coming from about why God called Ya'acob Yisra'el... but it is also a fact of the the matter that what I posted is what Yisra'el is actually defined as in the lexicon.

Thought I answered this first sentence above. All who are saved are joined to the vehicle God created / ordained... the Olive Tree / Fig Tree / Israel of God. Not the other way around as the theologians you cite claim. That was my point about the Goyish take over by the Hebrew abdication... it doesn't change the vehicle, just whose running it and the subsequent manifestation of paganism / goyisms resulting. Hope that answers your questions.

Sorry, Yod, I overlooked this post... That's not the best definition you could use...and I'm not so sure it's even accurate. Guess it depends on how *you* define spiritual. I agree there are ways to define Israel as two entities. 1. there is faithful and unfaithful (Not all Israel is Israel) 2. there is under grace (saved) and under the law (not saved) - 3. There are "true" Yehudim (jews - Rom 2:29) and there are Yehudim (praisers) who aren't living as a praise to their Elohim. 4. There is the Israel of God and the Israel of the flesh We can say the same things about the Nations (Gentiles) Ultimate reality is completely spiritual, but most humans only see physical manifestation. In other words what we see in our flesh (temporal) is not as real as the spiritual (eternal). Our eyes can see a little clearer into the spiritual world once we have gone through the spiritual-reality-Gate (Yeshua) but that's another topic. With regards to Israel, yes, there is a sense in which we can call it "spiritual" but one doesn't exist without the other as I *think* you are trying to say. In other words, only Israel can be "spiritual Israel". Those in Israel who are not faithful are not "true Jews", they are not included in "The Israel of God" apart from faithfulness. The same applies to Gentiles who wish to be adopted (grafted-in) Gentiles aren't "spiritual Israel" though we are joined to it; included by grafting/adoption. (Ephesians 2 & 3) This grafting in has been likened by the scriptures as an adoption with full rights & access to Abba, so neither is "better" than the other in their position as His, but there are still distinctions. Unfortunately I find that people look at distinctions and then start making human comparisons...which they themselves will view and then judge in terms of one being "better" out of their own envy. This is why so many people have a problem saying the Jews are the chosen people. They have (a) the wrong idea about what the means and (b) they don't realize we are all chosen for a purpose distinct to ourself. This is the root of envy, imo. Alas...I digress. So are you saying that gentiles are joined to the Israel of God? Yes. Spiritually. Spiritually in that we are joined to the Israel of God but not the Israel of man (meaning faith in the Jewish Messiah does not make Gentile born believers physically Jewish). In Christ there is neither male nor female Jew Gentile slave free (the operative words being In Christ / spiritually as opposed to physically where there are indeed male and females Jews and Gentiles slaves and free). A physical Gentile can only be grafted in as a spiritual Jew. A physical Jew can be both physically and spiritually Jewish. The problem with the Church is that it suffers from an identity crisis. The Jewish leadership abdicated when God advanced the faith into the New Covenant (the same way he did the Old Covenant from the Noahide and so on back from the beginning). Gentile leadership did as best they could, but got the notion it was righteous to expunge from the faith everything Jewish in the name of putting down legalism / Judaizing. In short they threw out the Baby with the bathwater and supplied pagan-based traditions (like Astarte and Saturnalia and all saints day etc etc). Nature and matters of spirit deplore a vacuum. And these filled the void. I hope this answers your question. And yes, God has still saved millions and millions who got the basic theology (core doctrine) correct despite all of the above.

I am not judging. I merely quote this consistent theme throughout the Bible. The vehicle God created goes by several names. Israel. All Israel (complete Israel). The Israel of God. The house of Israel. The Oliver Tree. The Fig tree. The Church. The assembly. The great assembly. The Jerusalem above. The New Jerusalem. The vehicle of weaning mankind from the flesh to the spirit... from death to life... from condemnation to salvation (only made possible by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world). I applaud the Berean ethic of searching scriptures (Acts 17:11)... testing the spirits (1John 4:1)... proving what is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21)... for years I have advocated this and more. But, if one cannot disprove BY this scriptural examination what is shown to be in scripture (other then to say they simply do not believe it or call it a mere interpretation) then that is not being a Berean at all. Acts 17:11 (NASB95) 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. It doesn't say to see if they could find a way not to believe these things... 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (NASB95) 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; In the light of all the many scriptures I quoted so you cannot say I jerked one verse out of the Bible or out of context... how do you interpret the Bible differently than I here? Romans 9:6 (NASB95) 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; Or here: Romans 2:28-29 (NASB95) 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. Or here: Philippians 3:3 (NASB95) 3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

Don't allow presupposition, pride, prejudice, or tradition cloud your understanding of the Word of God. It's right there in print.

I can only keep quoting scripture till you are willing to believe the Bible: Romans 9:6 (NASB95) 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; Romans 2:28-29 (NASB95) 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. Philippians 3:3 (NASB95) 3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, Galatians 6:13-16 (NASB95) 13 For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. John 4:19-26 (NASB95) 19 The woman said to Him,

The concept of the Trinity is not difficult to comprehend. That is, once the mistaken ideas and presuppositions are removed. If we think of the math involved with the Trinity the way we do with other compound unities (like a family, for example) most of the objections to the Trinity are easily explained. You can simply replace the word "God" for the word "family" in these objections and see where the fallacy comes from. How can one God be three persons? How can one family be three persons? Many / most objections are simply due to using the wrong math. Other objections stem from traditional misidentification of the person (or individual) in the Godhead. For example, most traditions hold that God the Father is the primary individual in the Old Testament. He is not. He existed. He was the ultimate authority then as now. But he had little or no interaction with the creation. Jesus (preincarnate) did. We become victims of our own preconceptions, presuppositions, and dogmas based on partial information in the progression of God's revelation to humanity. Man had no idea about most things, and God had to walk humanity through all the baby steps to the understanding of all things ultimate. John 5:37 (KJV) 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Matthew 11:27 (KJV) 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Most presume they have knowledge of the Father from the Old Testament scriptures, but little is mentioned about him there. The New Testament is what speaks mostly about the Father of Jesus... who incidentally is our Father but only by adoption. Our Father is the preincarnate Jesus. John 1:1-3 (KJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Colossians 1:13-16 (KJV) 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Isaiah 44:24 (KJV) 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Jesus is not the Heavenly Father: John 1:14 (KJV) 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The only thing created by God the Heavenly Father was the body of the incarnation of God the Word. If this were not so then it would be untrue to say Jesus is the ONLY begotten of the Father. For there are many passages referring to the sons of God. Luke 3:38 (KJV) 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Adam was the son of God the Word. Not God the Father of Jesus. This is Trinitarian doctrine. It is a biblical dispelling of the myths and traditions that have clouded the doctrine and made it so difficult to understand or defend. It would almost be easier in one sense to start out with a chart with three columns and at the head of each the title | God individual "A" | God individual "B" | God individual "C" | and then to attribute to each their individual titles, names, accomplishments etc. God individual "B" (Jesus preincarnate) created all things in the beginning by himself. God individual "A" (the Heavenly Father) later created the body of the Son. God individual "C" (the Holy Spirit) inspired the prophets both writing and non-writing (so he authored the Bible). The uniqueness of each supports the Trinity doctrine. And in fact they go a long way to establish the validity of the doctrine when things like the terms we use to describe each are quite interchangeable. Each individual is Spirit. Each individual is Holy. Each could be referred to as Holy Spirit. But each are not THE Holy Spirit (as we have traditionally called him). If you think about it, it would be like naming one of us "breathing human being." Holy Spirit is more descriptive than a name like Larry or George. Each individual is a father. But each are not THE Father. Individual "A" is THE Father (of Jesus). Individual "B" is the Father of creation. Individual "C" is the Father of revelation of truth, of God, of the plan of salvation, of the Savior. It is these interchangeable terms that people get off track by. Or they try to challenge the doctrine of the Trinity with. But the texts which show the coexistence of each and the uniqueness of each that validates the doctrine of the Trinity...

It isn't? Please share what the Old Covenant is. My understanding is that the Old Covenant, Ha Torah, is Exodus 20 - Deuteronomy 34. Torah means "Instruction" The Torah is the instruction book that accompanied the Covenant, but is not the Covenant itself. Very Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8 Good For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Malachi 3:6 Eats For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:19 See Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20 And Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:29-31 Jesus It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him. Lamentations 3:22-24 Saves But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. Jonah 2:9 All Who Call Upon Him And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32 ____________ _________ ______ ___ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee. Psalms 9:10 Be Very Blessed For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5 Love, Your Brother Joe Isn't it true that Jesus is the LORD (YHVH) of the Old Testament?

It isn't? Please share what the Old Covenant is. My understanding is that the Old Covenant, Ha Torah, is Exodus 20 - Deuteronomy 34. Torah means "Instruction" The Torah is the instruction book that accompanied the Covenant, but is not the Covenant itself. This is not quite accurate... Strong's Hebrew #8451 ...clean. 54This is the law for all manner of ... 8451 towrah { to-raw

As soon as you use the terms "spiritual Israel" and "physical Israel" with regards to the Assembly of Jesus, you are applying Replacement Theology terms. Replacement theology may use these terms, but I do not advocate replacement theology. I only make reference to those branches (Jew and Gentile) attached to the Olive Tree (Romans 11) saved verses those who are broken off of the Tree (lost). And... the references Paul makes in Romans 9:6, Romans 2:28-29, Galatians 6:16, Philippians 3:3, and that which the Lord Jesus himself states in John 4:19-25, and the mention of circumcision of the heart (Deuteronomy 10:6, Deuteronomy 30:6, Jeremiah 4:4 and Jeremiah 9:25-26 (NIV) 25 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will punish all who are circumcised only in the flesh— 26 Egypt, Judah, Edom, Ammon, Moab and all who live in the desert in distant places. For all these nations are really uncircumcised, and even the whole house of Israel is uncircumcised in heart.” This was not a gathering of random scriptures but scriptures that address an ongoing doctrine in scripture. Those who live by the flesh and those who live by the spirit applies to Israel as well as the Gentiles. Only Israel (those born Jewish) is different in that: Romans 9:1-14 (NIV) 1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. 6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.” 10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! Romans 11:26-32 (NIV) 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. The Lord still chooses Israel (those born Jewish) collectively, even in their unbelief. Individually, all are held accountable for unbelief in Messiah (both Jew and Gentile). This is not replacement theology at all. Nor is it a random picking of scriptures. You have to look at Scripture as a whole and not just hand-pick individual verses. There are prophetic words given for the return of the descendants of Jacob to the land of Israel and that they will as one man from their land turn to their Messiah. You can't apply any Gentile believe to this. I was referring to the context of "physical" and "spiritual' Israel. You still haven't explained this - "God created and called Yish Sarar Elohiym (he is prince of God) which is the full / spelled out meaning of "Israel." " ?? Israel... or as Jewish people write Yisra'el or Ysiro'el is a contraction of the words Yish (he) Sra or Sara (feminine princess) Sar (male princess), both derived from the root Sarar (royal heir or seed, overall masculine in gender but can apply to all as does the term "man"), El (Elohiym from the ancient origin ayilohiym meaning ultimate power).

Hi John.....Torah leads to Messiah. Those who are still under the Law have not obeyed the Law, because if they understood the Law they would find themselves in the same position as Paul. The Law is still in place, it is holy, righteous and true, and even now if a person under the Law truly understands the Law, it will still lead them to Messiah....and thus into a newer Covenant that doesn't abolish the former but is the natural extension of it...no longer under a heavy yoke with strict unwavering penalties, but now yoked to Jesus....no longer is the Torah of G-d on the outside written on tablets of stone, but is now on the inside written on our hearts... A-M-E-N! I agree Torah Moshe was given to point the way to Moshiakh (Messiah). But it is apparently not the same Torah being talked about by Rav Shaul (Paul) in the passage I quote, nor in: Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV) 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. I'd have to agree with sister Nebula here. Then there's the missing of the most important point; There was nothing wrong with the Covenant or the Law that God gave them. There was something wrong with them. They missed the whole point of the Law and broke the Covenant as they tried to follow it like a Law and with a Righteousness all unto itself. The Righteousness of the Law is Yeshua. Peace, Dave Shalom Alechiem, Dovid, khaver... I must beg to differ with you... 2 Corinthians 3:6 (NIV) 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant

Umm . . .the Covenant isn't the Torah, and the Torah isn't the Covenant. It isn't? Please share what the Old Covenant is. My understanding is that the Old Covenant, Ha Torah, is Exodus 20 - Deuteronomy 34.

So, since this is an in depth study into the scriptures, it is essentially already in the appropriate forum. And questions and answers sessions along the way is not so much a debate as ongoing classroom participation in the study. Just a thought...

There are to be no debates in this forum, or teachings by non-ministry members. I would suggest that this be moved to a more appropriate forum. I'm all for that. But if it is put in the controversial forum, I will not be able to post there for some time as I have not posted the required 100 posts yet. :)

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NASB95) 31