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Charlie, please start a separate thread and I will discuss with you Daniel 9. If I might suggest a title - Daniel 9 using only the verses in the Tanach (old testament).

Go ahead Charlie, start a thread.

See? The text says "1290 days" not "the 1290" term you created. The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place is the fulcrum point for the beginning of the 1290 days and the 1335 days. Okay, you have your bible open to Matthew 24:15, now start reading. From Matthew 24:15 there are 1290 days until the world seeing the sign of of the Son of Man in heaven. And if you keep reading another 45 days will pass between the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and then all the tribes of the earth see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory. The end of the 1335 days. So, how hard is that to understand ? Your scenario provides no reason, nor time for the kings of the earth to gather their armies together at Armageddon to make war on Jesus. --------------------------------------------------------------- 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. If you contracted someone to build you a house, and he said that it would be finished in 1260 days, do all of the components of the house are completed at the same time ? No, first the foundation is finished, then the floor is finished, then the walls are finished, then the roof finished. All of those finished in 1260 days, but not each component finished at the same time. The 1290 days and the 1335 days represent components of the 7 years. Neither fits totally within 1260 days. The 1290 days is finished when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. The 1335 days is finished when Jesus descends down to this earth coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Copy and paste Daniel 12:11 from the translation you are using. The phrase "the 1290" is not in the bible. "1290" is an adjective to describe the noun "days". Use proper English grammar. "1290 days" "word sausage" ? No one knows what you are talking about. The fulcrum point to the 1290 days and the 1335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 is when the AoD is setup. The AoD setup triggers the great tribulation - Matthew 24:15-21 The great tribulation last 1335 days. During which the trumpet judgements, the woes, the vials of God's wrath, all take place. Jesus returns on his 2nd Coming day and ends the great tribulation. The end point of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Speak proper English grammar. Stop with "the 1290" stuff.

The AoD is the statue image of the beast. So the person has to become the beast before the AoD statue image is made and setup. No, I don't understand at all what you mean. No-one else here or any other Christian forum I frequent says "the 1290", "the 1335", "the 1260" because those are just numbers, not events. The text says... 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (to what? Revelation Man) The text itself does not say 1290 days to what. The what is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (Matthew 24:30a). The 1335 days is to Jesus's return (Matthew 24:30b) 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I have not said that Revelation is in straight through Chronological Oder. The part I highlighted in red is one reason no once can understand you. Stop saying "at the 1335" and "at the 1290". Instead, say the two witnesses show up 1335 days before Jesus returns. Something understandable (although others like me disagree with you opinion). You need to work on your communication skills. Stop saying "the 1260", "the 1290", "the 1335". Those numbers are not events. Communicate in terms of events and days. Not just numbers. When using numbers affiliated with days in the text of the bible - type out days. i.e. "1290 days" for example. The 1260 day testimony time of the two witnesses (<event) will be the first half of the seven years. The AoD will be setup (<event) 1335 days before Jesus returns. 1290 days from when the AoD is setup, (event>) the world will see the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. The phrase "the 1290" is not an event, it is a number. Go back and fix you time-line and show "the AoD setup", so that others will know what you believe..

No, half of the Jews in Jersualem are taken as hostages and held just outside of the city of Jesusalem. They escape danger just like the forefathers did under Uzziah's rule.

The raptured/resurrection of them in Christ will take place before the great tribulation begins. Those are the saints who will accompany Christ at His return in Zechariah 14. The Jews escaping through the valley in Zechariah 14 will have turned to Jesus after the great tribulation begins. The armies of the world a few days before Jesus returns will have taken them as hostages - because they not part of the beast's followers. The Jews flee through the valley toward Jesus, their Lord and Savior.

The events of Zechariah 14:1-2 take place in the days right before Jesus's return. There is no exile period into the nations like following 70 ad.

Jesus will come for the rapture/resurrection event of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 before the great tribulation begins. Jesus does not descend to stand on the earth during that event. Jesus' return is at the end of the great tribulation, described in Zechariah 14, and He stands on the Mt. of Olives in verse 4. In Zechariah 14:2, half of the Jews of Jerusalem will be rounded up and taken hostages and held just outside the city of Jerusalem. In Zechariah 14:4-5, when Jesus stands on the Mt. of Olives, it makes a way for them to escape and they flee through the Mt. of Olives split valley toward Jesus to safety.

No. Zechariah 14 say that half of Jerusalem go into captivity, not exiled. They will taken as hostages by the armies of the nations. The same armies rape and pillage the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Underground economy between believers, that breaks the laws that will be enacted by the false prophet and beast-king. The bible does not give details to your question.

What I meant was that there is nothing in Matthew 24 that directly gives timeframes. It is necessary to go to Daniel 12. Jesus 2nd Coming is the end of the 7 years. The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 is the testimony time frame of the two witnesses. What I wrote shows the 2nd coming as the end of the 7 years. It is correct. day 1..............................day 1185...............(1335 days)............................day 2520 Jesus returns You are not communicating, that anyone can understand you. Show a time-line, like I did. Okay, that communicates better what you believe. I disagree with each of your 3 conclusions. 1.) The confirmation of the Mt Sinai covenant by the Antichrist, to begin the 7 years. Based on Deuteronomy 31:9-13. 2.) The AoD is setup 1335 days before the 2nd Coming, based on Daniel 12:11-12. 3.) 1290 days from when the AoD is setup the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. You don't show on your time-line the setup of the AoD.

The 2nd woe is not 1256 days before the 2nd coming. I never said that. I think you are misunderstanding what the angel meant in Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. The angel meant that John had already been shown what the 2nd woe was. And that John would soon be shown what the 3rd woe would be. Which John was shown in Revelation 12:12 the 3rd woe as being Satan cast down to earth having great wrath.

No, Matthew 24:15-17 says the Jews flee when they see the abomination of desolation setup. There is no timeframe, nor timeline day expressed in Matthew 24:15-17. What the 1290 days and the 1335th day in Daniel 12:11-12, is something we must figure out, how those apply. -------------------------- Let us begin. Blessed are those who wait and come unto the 1335 days in verse 12. That will be the day of Jesus's return. So if we take the 2520 day 7 years and subtract 1335 days, the result is that the AoD will be setup on day 1185 (day 1 being the beginning of the 7 years). day 1..............................day 1185...............(1335 days)............................day 2520 Jesus returns The 1290 days, what about those ? If we count forward from day 1185, we come to something. That something will be the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (Matthew 24:30a) day 1..............................day 1185...............(1290 days)......... day 2475 sign of the Son of Man in heaven. The sign of the Son of Man in heaven will be the sixth seal event when the world sees Jesus in heaven, sickle in hand. It will terrify the wicked of the world day 2475 sign of the Son of Man in heaven...........(for 45 days) armies gather at Armageddon getting ready to make war on Jesus.....day 2520 Jesus returns and destroys those armies. --------------------------- AoD setup, 1290 days later the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (Matthew 24:30a). AoD setup, 1335 days later Jesus returns. Blessed are those who remain faithful to Jesus and come to the day of Jesus's return (Matthew 24:30b) From when the AoD is setup...30 And then [1290 days] shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then [1335 days] shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It says that the ones in the northern kingdom of Israel were looking for the Day of the Lord, not that it took place back then.

Amos 5 was prophecy against the northern kingdom, Israel. Amos himself was from the southern kingdom of Judah. The prophecy was for ancient times when Israel got into worshipping Molech and Chiun. 25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts. . Go here to learn more about Amos... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_(prophet)

The Jews in Zechariah 14 escaping through the valley are fleeing toward Jesus. (please edit your post typo to the mark of the beast, not theark of the beast). The bible doesn't specify that Jews will worship the beast or take the mark of the beast.

Revelation 12:10, the Jews turn to Jesus. Also you titled the thread fleeing from Jesus, but the Jews in Zechariah 14 flee toward Jesus.

No, I never said any such thing. The Jews will be saved by faith in Jesus, not by their own works. The Jews go through the great tribulation and turn to Jesus at the beginning of the great tribulation. Differently, the saints returning with Jesus are them who take part in the rapture/resurrection event to heaven before the great tribulation begins. The Jews fleeing through the valley in Zechariah 14 will be fleeing toward Jesus, not away from Jesus.

That generation of Jerusalem rejected Jesus as their King of Israel. No, it is not referring to the Jews going into exile. The Jews of that generation who rejected Jesus will miss out on the eternal Kingdom of God. I did not say that all Jews will be saved. Them who turn to Jesus will be saved. Jews will not be killing Christians during the great tribulation. The Jews who flee through the valley will have turned to Christ in the middle of the 7 years, Revelation 12:10. Jesus will be standing on the Mt. Olives as it splits in half. The Jews will be fleeing toward Jesus not away from Jesus.

I understand that. But you took it out of context. Jesus was impressed by the faith of the Roman soldier. Faith he had not seen among the Jews of Israel that he was preaching to. What Jesus said in verses 11 and 12 applied to the Jews of that generation, who had no faith in what he was preaching to them would miss out on the Kingdom of God. My post was to show how the Jews in Matthew 24, Daniel 12, Daniel 7, Romans 11, at the time of the end would be saved, turning to Jesus in Revelation 12:10 in the middle of the 7 years. Them in Zechariah 14 who flee through the valley will be Jews, fleeing like their ancestors did from trouble. The fleeing in Zechariah 14 will be Jews escaping from being hostages in verse 2.

Jesus in Matthew 24:15-21 instructed them in Judaea to flee to mountains when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place spoken of by Daniel the prophet. The abomination of desolation is in Daniel 12:11-12. Daniel 12, speaking about the time of the end, opens with... 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Michael in Revelation 12 stands up and with his angels casts Satan down to earth. At that time, in the middle of the seven years - the Jews turn to Jesus in Revelation 12:10... delivered, saved. Satan, having great wrath having but a time/times/half time left, will persecute the Jews for the time, times, half time of Daniel 7:25. But God's judgment shall come down on Satan, the beast-king, and the false prophet and... Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. The Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus will be given the kingdom. The Jews en masse turn to Jesus in the middle of the 7 years, in Revelation 12:10. Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Please reference what specific passage you are copying and pasting in the future. In Matthew 8:11-12, Jesus was in those verses was referencing them of Israel in His day that were rejecting Him and the gospel of the kingdom, not all Jews. Jews who down through history who have embraced Jesus as the messiah and savior are a new creation in Christ, just as any Gentile who has done the same.

No, the Jews will become believers in Jesus in the middle of the 7 years. Revelation 12:10.