truth7t7

I don't know where you got your info but my friend you have gotten it wrong. Just as it is done according to Jewish customs is as it will happen to the Bride of Jesus. When a man is to be married to a certain woman Jewish custom dictates that the Bride and Groom are first betrothed to one another. and this is done when the at a young age. When the time come,s and the bride has made herself ready the Groom and his entourage will go to the Bride's house and pick her and her entourage up and carry them back to his Fathers house and then the Groom will present the Bride to the Father as an acceptable gift. At that point the Wedding will take place and then the wedding supper. Right now we are in the "Betrothed stage" and we have not at all made ourselves worthy enough to be presented to the Father as an acceptable gift. That is why people are still being saved and many are still dieing in the name of Jesus. You even quoted the very scripture that tells you that you are mistaken. Rev 7:6 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. ". Rev. 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. We still suffer from the heat. Look at all of those who are starving to death because of drought. Places like Southern Sudan are perdominatly Christian yet they are dieing by the hudreds/thousands every month. Everything that verse 16 says that will not happen to us any more is still happening to us all around the world. Our tears are not wiped away. As long as we are still starving and bleeding and dieing in the name of Jesus and thirsting, non of the prophetic verses you have quote have been fulfilled. Dear concerned I have studied Revelation 7:14 KJV and have found that John Darby the father of dispensationalism also the new versions NIV, NASB, JW'S NWT, ETC have changed KJV past tense "came" to future tense "come" and added "the" before "great tribulation" they changed Gods word to create a future tribulation, as opposed to a current, or past time of great tribulation, the verse refrences the saints that have went "before us" they have changed Gods word to "saints in the future" untrue, many christians are unaware that the new versions have changed Gods truth, his word, one jot or a tittle, the changing and adding has made a false description of the saints seen in this verse, that have already "came" out of great tribulation, those that have went before us. John N. Darby 1800-1882: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby Revelation 7:14 KJV 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 Darby Translation 14And I said to him, My lord, *thou* knowest. And he said to me, These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 New International Version (NIV) 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version (KJV) 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Truth7t7 SORRY but I am not buying that. I agree that those versions of the bible have been changed but changing the word "came" to "come" doesn't deminish the fact that all of chapter 7 is completly futurestic and non of this chapter has not taken place yet. You give the plagiarizer way to much credit. Do you know what a tittle is? The post was to show, that Revelation 7:14 KJV isn't futuristic, then you write in agreement that the verse was changed by Darby, and new versions, then you state that changing "came" to "come" and adding "the" before great tribulation did'nt change the meaning, I "disagree" this verse shows that the event has taken place in the past, the event is in the spiritual realm and is "taking place now" as you read this post, the new versions have changed Gods word to create this event in the future, "Deception"! Truth7t7

I agree, the believers will be on earth until the "Last Day" of earths history, going the the tribulation, dispensationalism, has several false resurrections of the believer, when in reality this is the resurrection, and gathering at the "Last Day" Matthew 24:29-30 KJV shows Gods judgement and the destruction of the heavens earth at his appearing, perfectly in agreement with 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, dispensationalism has broken this truth up by giving a false teaching that there is a "day of Christ", and a "day of the Lord" teaching these are two seperate events, when in reality they are the same. I smile at the teaching in 2 Thessolonians 2:1-3 KJV and when the conditions must be met prior to the Lords return, "falling away" and "antichrist revealed" the very passage talking to the church states "Let no man deceive you by any means" this warning is being spoken to the believer in Matthew 24:15 KJV also and the very deception is being taught, the passage talking to me, states if I'm alive I will see the antichrist seated, they teach the "falling away" is the rapture, the restrainer is the church, that denies that the beliver will see the "antichrist" big "smile"! The teachings of dispensationalism, Newton, Darby, and Scofield, being the foundational roots, has a future rebuilt temple and sacrifical system going, and a physical christ returning to take the throne of David, who will this walk on christ be? "antichrist"! Zionism is preparing the world for the coming "antichrist" that will be Jewish/Hebrew in his decent, posing to be the returned messiah to Jews and Jesus to the apostate religious world, deception. All believers that sleep in Jesus Christ will "first" be resurrected at the "last day" and those alive will be gathered, and "second" the wicked will be resurrected to damnation , this is the same resurrection seen in Matt 24 KJV, Daniel 12:1-2 that will take place after the tribulation, on the "Last Day" prior to Gods wrath. The very chapter 1 Cor 15 KJV, that leads the teaching of the dispensational rapture, explains simply that time of the Lords coming and changing the believers will be the "Last Day", Vs 23 Christ the "firstfruits" first glorified body received after resurrection, Jesus Christ, then they that are Christs at his coming, "the believers at his coming", "then the end", the last enemy destroyed will be "DEATH", Vs 54 "death is swallowed up in victory" the end of the earth world, and beginning of the spiritual kingdom, "New Jerusalem". 1 Cor 15:23-28 KJV 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. The Lords Judgement will have taken place of death, the last enemy, at the believers receiving their glorified bodies, at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, this will be the "Last Day" 1 Cor 15:50-54 KJV 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The Lord will come as a "thief in the night" on the "Last Day" in firey judgement, destroying the heavens, earth, and the wicked! 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 KJV 1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? The resurrection of believers will be on the "Last Day" as taught by Jesus Christ to his followers! John 11:23-24 KJV 23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. John 6:39-41 KJV 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 5:29 KJV And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Daniel 12:1-2 King James Version (KJV) 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. The Judgement will have taken place, "death the last enemy", at the the Lords coming and believers receiving their glorified bodies, this will be the "Last Day" Revelation 20:13-15 KJV 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Truth7t7

I don't know where you got your info but my friend you have gotten it wrong. Just as it is done according to Jewish customs is as it will happen to the Bride of Jesus. When a man is to be married to a certain woman Jewish custom dictates that the Bride and Groom are first betrothed to one another. and this is done when the at a young age. When the time come,s and the bride has made herself ready the Groom and his entourage will go to the Bride's house and pick her and her entourage up and carry them back to his Fathers house and then the Groom will present the Bride to the Father as an acceptable gift. At that point the Wedding will take place and then the wedding supper. Right now we are in the "Betrothed stage" and we have not at all made ourselves worthy enough to be presented to the Father as an acceptable gift. That is why people are still being saved and many are still dieing in the name of Jesus. You even quoted the very scripture that tells you that you are mistaken. Rev 7:6 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. ". Rev. 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. We still suffer from the heat. Look at all of those who are starving to death because of drought. Places like Southern Sudan are perdominatly Christian yet they are dieing by the hudreds/thousands every month. Everything that verse 16 says that will not happen to us any more is still happening to us all around the world. Our tears are not wiped away. As long as we are still starving and bleeding and dieing in the name of Jesus and thirsting, non of the prophetic verses you have quote have been fulfilled. Dear concerned I have studied Revelation 7:14 KJV and have found that John Darby the father of dispensationalism also the new versions NIV, NASB, JW'S NWT, ETC have changed KJV past tense "came" to future tense "come" and added "the" before "great tribulation" they changed Gods word to create a future tribulation, as opposed to a current, or past time of great tribulation, the verse refrences the saints that have went "before us" they have changed Gods word to "saints in the future" untrue, many christians are unaware that the new versions have changed Gods truth, his word, one jot or a tittle, the changing and adding has made a false description of the saints seen in this verse, that have already "came" out of great tribulation, those that have went before us. John N. Darby 1800-1882: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby Revelation 7:14 KJV 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 Darby Translation 14And I said to him, My lord, *thou* knowest. And he said to me, These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 New International Version (NIV) 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version (KJV) 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Truth7t7

Dear concerned I have seen in the verses refrenced that, God took out a people for his name of the gentiles that should be saved, Jesus will return and build again the tabernacle of David, he will set it up, they will be the residue of men and gentiles, describing "Few" upon whom his name is called or the chosen or elect of Christ. I see Jesus Christ returning in power and glory, "first" resurrecting and gathering the believer on the "Last Day" then "second" resurrecting and delivereing the wicked to eternal damnation, the heavens and earth will be destroyed by fire, 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, then the Fathers house that Jesus Christ has, built, and prepared will be revealed in the "New Jerusalem" seen in Revelation 21-22 KJV for eternity. Acts 15:13-18 KJV 13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? John 14:1-3 KJV 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Revelation 21:1-5 KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Truth7t7