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You sure do like to disregard the clear and simple teaching in scripture, that has been presented several times before your eyes, why? No the believers faith and salvation doesn't replace the event of the second coming and resurrection seen in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 as you suggest, it will be a literal future event, as you distract from this fact At the second coming the resurrection takes place, when mortal becomes immortal, at this time the last enemy death is destroyed, and the kingdom is handed over to the father, it's that simple, and Joe isn't going to change it Jesus Is The Lord

Joe I have explained myself "Clearly" When Jesus Christ returns, the resurrection takes place in the twinkling of an eye, the last enemy death is destroyed, swallowed up in victory as mortal puts on immortality Yes the last enemy death is destroyed as seen in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, the kingdom has been handed over to the father You can bend and twist all you want, it has been presented in 4th grade comprehension, as you suggest the Kingdom isn't handed over when the last enemy death is destroyed, really Jesus Is The Lord

Jesus ruling with a rod of iron,is showing his destruction of the wicked at his second coming, as a potter destroys clay vessels with a rod of iron No such thing found in scripture as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) Revelation 2:27KJV 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. John 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Your response has absolutely to do with the facts seen in 1 Corinthians Chapter 15 When Jesus Christ returns, the resurrection takes place, mortal becomes immortal, death is swallowed up in victory "Then Cometh The End" Jesus Is The Lord 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

My Claim Is "Truth", As The Scripture Below Clearly Shows ! Joe we will go real slow in explanation 1.) Verses 23-26 clearly explains the order of the resurrection, it clearly states the believers will be resurrected at the Lord's "Coming" it states the Last enemy destroyed is "Death" at this time the Kingdom is handed over 2.) Verses 51-54 shows the detailed "Process" on how death is swallowed up in victory, its when the mortal become immortal, and corrupt becomes incorrupt, "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory" Conclusion: you have been presented a very clear explanation Joe, When Jesus Christ returns, the resurrection takes place, and the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed, As The Kingdom Is Handed Over, "Then Cometh The End" in the "Twinkling Of And Eye" Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand, 4th Grade Reading Comprehension Jesus Is The Lord 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Your claim is "False" "The Last Enemy Death" is swallowed up in victory at the return of Jesus Christ in the resurrection (Then Cometh The End) as scripture clearly teaches below, your claims are silenced Jesus Is The Lord 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

You know the correct biblical answer is "Eye Blink" but you insist on stating "Smidge Later" why? James 1:8KJV 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

There will be one resurrection of all that have lived, this takes place at the second coming on the last day (The End)

I disagree, the dead and living in Christ are changed In The twinkling of an eye, there is no time gap between the dead and living as you suggest, as scripture clearly teaches below 1 Corinthians 15:52KJV 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power. 1.) (First Resurrection) To Life 2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation Revelation 20:6KJV Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below Daniel 12:1-2KJV 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. John 5:28-29KJV 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. The (Last Day) Judgement John 12:48KJV 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

I believe it's simply showing the two groups of believers, the dead and living at the time of the second coming, it's that simple In the twinkling of an eye, both the dead and living believers receive the glorified body as seen below 1 Corinthians 15:52KJV 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Samuel 15:23.a.KJV 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.

Your claim is "False" When Jesus Christ returns the "Resurrection" takes place, at this event "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory" as the "Last Enemy Death" is destroyed, this event takes place in the twinkling of an eye (The End) Jesus Is The Lord Once Again! 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Yes I Disagree, The Day Of The Lord Is The Last Day, When Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement (The End) Jesus Is The Lord 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Once Again, Perhaps You Missed The Posting? Jesus Is The Lord Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only? "Deceive The Nations" To Battle The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World? Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently. Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle (Revelation) 20:1-9KJV 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event (Revelation) 16:12-17KJV 12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Jesus died in roughly 33AD, the temple was destroyed by Roman armies in 70AD,it was 37 years later He referred to his body as the temple to be destroyed, and not the literal temple in Jerusalem You hold the same position when Jesus spoke to the Pharisees,they thought the Temple to be destroyed was the one that took 46 years to build in Jerusalem We Disagree, the horse is laying on its side gasping for air Jesus Is The Lord

Of course it clearly states the wall and street "Shall" be built again, and you believe and teach it was 434 years It states absolutely nothing about Jesus being killed as you claim, Messiah "Cut Off" is when the building stops, we disagree There are 3 periods, 7 weeks, 62 weeks, and 1 week, totaling 490 future, literal, continous days Daniel 9:25KJV 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

When Jesus died on the cross of Calvary the veil in the temples Holy place was torn from top to bottom, the temple was destroyed and gone, not one stone left upon another in the spiritual "Gone" As stated the temple that was talked about and destroyed was the temple of the Lord's body, and his disciples remembered what he had said Jesus Is The Lord

Following your 1 day = 1 year theory, let's look and compare this reasonably to scripture below? Consider the words before your eyes, 62 weeks the wall and street will be built in times of trouble? 62 x 7 = 434 years, that's a very slow construction crew, taking 434 years to get the job done, and yes people really believe the day/year theory, as common sense tells a reasonable person it's a fairy tale "before your eyes" Yes the 70 weeks of Daniel are 490 future days, and this construction to build the wall and street will be 434 "Days" Daniel 9:24-27KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Yes I disagree with reformed eschatology,you mention Jesus prophesied of the temple being destroyed in 70AD,this is false, the destruction Jesus talked about was his body being the temple, not a physical temple in Jerusalem as seen below John 2:18-22KJV 18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

I Disagree with your eschatology Jesus Christ dying on the cross has absolutely nothing to do with fulfillment of Daniel 9:26 "Messiah Cut Off", it's a future event that will see the building unto Messiah being Cut Off, as armies surround Jerusalem and stop the building "We Disagree" There is a future 3.5 year tribulation, that will start when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, claiming to be God Messiah returned Jesus Is The Lord

My claim has nothing to do with Jesus dying on the cross of Calvary If you have a claim, feel free to make it supported by scripture Of course the standard teaching today claims that Jesus being cut off is the Cross of Calvary, I Disagree Daniel 9:27, clearly states the bad guy is present on earth to the "Consummation" or "The Ultimate End", the events are future Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End "Future" Events Unfulfilled This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled (The Future Consummation) 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"! (Daniel) 9:27JV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Your claim is "False", the Jews will build in the "Future" unto their awaited upon (Messiah the Prince) as seen below, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem and the building stops, its that simple Daniel 9:25KJV 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

My original response answers your question, when armies surround a future Jerusalem, the building to Messiah is stopped/cut off