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We Strongly Disagree, This Subject Has Been Covered, The Horse Is Dead

I Strongly Disagree,We Have Exhausted This Subject, The Horse Is Dead

No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition) (The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple Revelation 17:8KJV 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

As stated you are a "Partial Preterist" you believe Daniel's abomination of desolation and the great tribulation have been fulfilled "Fact" Just as I'm a "Futurist" and believe that none of the 3 items mentioned are fulfilled "Fact"

For those that enjoy reading apocalyptic Sci-Fi Wikipedia: The Ezekiel Option The Plot: A hijacked Aeroflot flight from Moscow to New York is flying on a kamikaze mission to Washington. Once it crosses the D.C air exclusion zone and is within several miles of the White House, US President MacPherson regretfully orders the plane to be shot down. The resulting shootdown of the plane by F-16's kills all of the hundreds of passengers on board. Jon Bennett, the senior advisor to the president, proposes to his girlfriend Erin McCoy while in Moscow to finalize the Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty that he helped create. When Erin says yes, the story of the jetliner shootdown breaks out and causes a political crisis between the Russian Federation and the United States. When they attempt to explain to Russian president Vadim what happened, Dr. Mordechai, the former head of Mossad, calls Jon to tell him he believes that the hijacking was orchestrated by elements of the Russian government, Iran, and the terrorist group Al-Nakbah to foment a crisis as a pretext for a potential coup in Moscow. Before Jon and Erin can relay this to President Vadim, Moscow, the Red Square, and the Kremlin are attacked by rebellious units of the Russian military. Jon and Erin are both injured in the ensuing gun battle in the Kremlin, where they both witness the Russian and Iranian cofounders of Al-Nakbah, Yuri Gogolov and Mohammed Jibril, execute President Vadim and his staff. After the "Second Russian Revolution" ends, Gogolov appoints himself as the new Russian czar and suspends all diplomatic relations with the United States. Jon is released by the Russians and is allowed to return to the US, but not before he is brought to Gogolov where he is led to believe that Erin was killed. In reality, Erin was captured and is being held captive in a Moscow military hospital for the purpose of obtaining CIA codes from her. Gogolov wins over most of the world when he says that he has convinced Iran to give up its nuclear program when in reality, he is planning to transfer nuclear warheads to Iran for arming its missiles. After this, he travels to New York City to address the UN, where he reveals his plan for UNSC resolution 2441, to force Israel to give up its WMD's and adhere to Security Council resolutions within thirty days or Russia and other nations will be forced to take military action against them. As this is happening, Dr. Mordechai and Jon deduce that the recent events have been prophesized in the Bible, in the War of Ezekiel 38-39. They believe it predicts that a coalition of nations, specifically referring to Russia, Iran, Germany, the former USSR republics, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Sudan, and the Arabian peninsula, will attack Israel, but that God will unleash the forces of heaven against them to prevent Israel's destruction. Because of these revelations, Dr. Mordechai recommends to Jon that he brief Macpherson and the Israeli prime minister Doron on his idea for the 'Ezekiel Option' as a response to the crisis. It outlines that they should put their faith in God to protect them, as an alternative to Israel's Samson Option, which recommends the firing of all of Israel's nuclear missiles against their enemies in case of invasion. Resolution 2241 passes through the UN Security Council, with all members voting to pass and the US abstaining. Afterward, a coalition of nations, lining up perfectly with those predicted in the Bible, start to amass millions of soldiers in a large invasion force that begins to surround Israel. Enraged at the president's refusal to do anything, Jon resigns and goes to Iran to sneak into Russia to save Erin. Meanwhile, Erin manages to escape the hospital in Moscow and go on the run, but Gogolov frames her for being a serial killer and puts a bounty on her head. Jon manages to sneak into Russia and heads to Moscow to link up with Erin and the civilians aiding her. Exactly one day before the resolution deadline passes, Russia fires a nuclear missile at Israel, revealing that Gogolov had always intended to destroy Israel, (due to him being inspired by Hitler and his fascist ideals). Jon and Erin finally reunite in Moscow and attempt to flee while fighting off the Russian security forces, just as the world braces for inevitable nuclear war. As Gogolov and Jibril evacuate Moscow to get to a bunker, a massive storm mysteriously manifests outside of Moscow, destroying the helicopter they are riding in and killing both Gogolov and Jibril. As this happens, the coalition forces move to invade, but the incoming nuclear missile vanishes, and a massive and sudden earthquake takes place with the epicenter in Jerusalem, big enough for the whole world to feel. Additionally, massive fiery projectiles coming from space proceed to destroy the military, government, and religious sites of all the coalition governments, as well as all the forces around Israel, killing millions of people. These events prove that the prophecy had come true and that God had come to Israel's rescue, which persuades Israel to call off its nuclear counterattack. As this happens, Jon and Erin embrace in the fiery ruins of Moscow and proceed to return to the United States in a world forever changed.

We Strongly Disagree The "Future" human man seen in Daniel 11:37 will be a king/ruler of Jewish/Hebrew Decent as I have shown

The ruler for measuring "Preterism" is found in the Olivet discourse in Matthew 24, as seen in the 3 items below If you believe one of the items has been fulfilled your in the "Partial Preterist" camp If you believe all 3 items have been fulfilled, your in the "Full Preterist" camp If you believe none of the 3 items have been fulfilled, your in the "Futurist" camp I'm "Futurist" in my eschatology 1.) Matthew 24:15, Daniel's Abomination of Desolation 2.) Matthew 24:21, The Great Tribulation 3.) Matthew 24:29-30, The Second Coming/Return of Jesus Christ

We Strongly Disagree, Daniel 9:27 Is Showing The "Future" Abomination Of Desolation By A Literal Human Man, That Will Be Present On Earth To See The "Future" Consummation or "Ultimate End" This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus coming as seen below took place in 70AD, but he came in "Spirit" and nobody actually witnessed the event with their eyes "They Shall See"? Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers) (Daniel) 11:37KJV 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Examples: God Of His Fathers (2 Kings) 21:22KJV 22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord. (2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV 10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

Caesar wasn't destroyed by the brightness of Jesus Christ coming, he committed suicide, and Jesus didnt return in the 1st century Preterist eschatology in 1st century fulfillment is a farce, more holes than swiss cheese If it dosent fit the Preterist 1st century fulfillment, its removed through symbolic allegory

When Was the Book of Revelation Written? By Wayne Jackson Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70). A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong. In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following. External Evidence The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality. Irenaeus Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation. Clement of Alexandria Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23). Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time. Victorinus Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote: Jerome Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said, To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates. Internal Evidence The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate. The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date. The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382). Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date. Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25). Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation. The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66. Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).

Preterist 70AD fulfillment is a farce, the Antichrist seen below "He" will be fulfilling Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation seen below in the "Future" This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I Disagree, Daniel 9:27 clearly shows a "He" a literal human man with a personal pronoun This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Beast of Revelation 13 is a literal human man, and is seen in Daniel chapter 7, 9, 11, all the same bad guy This human man will be a king/ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent, and will be destroyed at the coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens 2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Your claim is "Error", Jesus will return to earth and human eyes will witness this return Revelation 1:7KJV 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Luke 21:25-28KJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I Strongly Disagree The two Witnesses will be literal prophets returned, they will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, they will have physical bodies that die, and lay in a physical street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration of their death The 3.5 year tribulation is future, and will begin when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God returned

We Disagree, scripture clearly teaches that the (Two Witnesses) will prophesy 1260 "Days" Revelation 13:5 below clearly teaches (The Beast) will be given power for 42 "Months" Both times above are parallel, and represent 3.5 years, that begins when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned Revelation 11:3KJV 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Revelation 13:5KJV 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Crimea & Ukraine are warm water shipping ports, Ukraine is the bread basket of Russia Perhaps Putin is looking at survival at this point, while the western world wants to starve Russia out? Ukraine becomes a NATO member, and it will become a missile base for NATO at Putins border? There is a ton of stuff not mentioned in the news, Putin has his back against the wall, what would you do?

(Including You)? You are suggesting I dont read scripture as written, your claim is false! You previously corrected me on not using the word "You", as it's a personal reference, "Really"? Focus on the posted subject and not the person, pot, kettle, black,

The name game, let's play the name game All that has been given to Jesus Christ Is The "Church" Everyone Which Seeth The Son And Believeth on Him Is The "Church" Yes The Lord Will Raise This "Church" Up On The Last Day, And This Event Didnt Take Place In 70AD As Many Claim (John) 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Those That Shall Be Made Alive Is "Church", This Takes Place At The Coming Of The Lord, (Then Cometh The End) On The Last Day 1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. The (Last Day) Judgement (John) 12:48KJV 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Its apparent he dosent believe the 7th Trump/Angel is the final judgement (The End)

Sorry, the post in bold underlines below dosent belong to me, as you put my forum name attached to this, I believe it belongs to "DaPuppers" as seen below On 1/29/2022 at 2:57 PM, truth7t7 said: 2 weeks before the 7th Trumpet blows on the 7th of Sivan, will be the 22nd day of Iyyar, the 2nd month. 42 months later will take you to the 22nd day of Tishri, which is the 8th day of tabernacles, the day of Armageddon. Da Puppers, Saturday 12:37AM 2 weeks before the 7th Trumpet blows on the 7th of Sivan, will be the 22nd day of Iyyar, the 2nd month. 42 months later will take you to the 22nd day of Tishri, which is the 8th day of tabernacles, the day of Armageddon.

I'm Truth7t7, and the Last Trump is the voice of the 7th Angel, that signifies (The End) as you were shown

Of course it's valid as seen below, there is no earthly time beyond the 7th Trump/Angel and the final judgement following The 7th Trump/Angel sounding ushers in the final judgement (The End) Revelation 11:15-18KJV 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.