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Once again there is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture Let your response include a verse claiming a pre-trib rapture is seen, waiting?

God has a family, it's called (The Church)

Do you believe any of the three items below have been fulfilled, if yes when? 1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination? 2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation? 3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture, the Church will be present on earth to witness the second coming

You run from your claim that Matthew 25:31-46 ends in a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, respond to your claims made, no diversion is needed No works to obtain salvation are seen as you claim, sheep represent saved, and goats unsaved Matthew 25:31-46 is a "Parable" using sheep/goats speaking to herdsman, just as fish and nets to fishermen, wheat/tares to farmers, all "Parables" Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/ goat judgement, is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-15, the Kingdom seen is the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, your claim this represents a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Error" As scripture clearly shows below the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" in the "Eternal Kingdom" prepared before the foundations of the world Matthew 25:34 & 46KJV 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The woman is Israel, the man child is Jesus Christ, the dragon trying to devour the man child when hes born, is when King Herod tried to kill Jesus Revelation 12:4 is a recap of historical events, satan was cast out of heaven long ago, who do you think tempted Jesus for 40 days/nights on this earth?

You falsely claim I suggest eternal life by works, as you "divert attention" from my factual response to these claims You made the claim that Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/goat judgement ends in a "Millennial Kingdom" on this earth Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/ goat judgement, is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-15, the Kingdom seen is the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, your claim this represents a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Error" As scripture clearly shows below the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" in the "Eternal Kingdom" prepared before the foundations of the world Matthew 25:34 & 46KJV 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

We disagree, I have explained my position several times Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/ goat judgement, is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-15, the Kingdom seen is the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, your claim this represents a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Error" As scripture clearly shows below the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" in the "Eternal Kingdom" prepared before the foundations of the world Matthew 25:34 & 46KJV 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

There are no covenants or promises with National Ethnic Israel In Dwelling With the King"None"

The promise is right there, the holy nation of Israel will dwell with their King in the New Heaven and Earth, it's called New Jerusalem 2 Peter 3:13KJV 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Revelation 21:1-5KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

That doesn't remove the fact that satan was on earth during the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, as the Lord was tempted by satan 40 days/nights Also Jesus beheld satan cast to earth as lightning, and satan was on earth for Jobs temptation Revelation 12:4 is a recap of the story, not a future event Joe

We "Branches" are grafted into the olive tree who is the Lord Jesus Christ

Thanks for the response D We disagree, satan was on the earth during Jobs temptation, and during the Lords temptation of 40 days/nights The reading in Revelation 12:4 is past tense, as satan through King Herod tried to destroy the child (Jesus) when he was born long ago Revelation 12:4KJV 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The same way as any person on this earth would accuse another, the earth is Gods footstool, we are all before God

Five paragraphs presented, and not one scripture to support claims made There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus won't be on this earth amongst mortal humans The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, proclaiming to the Jews and world to be Messiah God returned "Beware"

I Strongly Disagree, Michael fighting in heaven when satan "Was" cast out in Revelation 12:4, has absolutely no connection to Daniel 12:1-2 as you claim

Thanks for your response Joe Satan was present on earth during Job's temptation Satan was present on earth to temp the Lord 40 days/nights The earth is Gods footstool, we are all present before God Jesus saw satan cast out "past tense" it already happened, Revelation 12:4 below is a recap of satan being cast out, and satan trying to devour the womans child "Jesus" through King Herod Revelation 12:4KJV 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Thanks for the response, I'm fully aware that the spiritual is a reality, and governs the physical world we live in However my response was to the claim that the two witnesses will be the bible and not literal prophets returned with physical bodies Jesus Is The Lord

Disagree, 7 days in the elements wont turns ones appearance in nails like bird claws, it represents long nails, and that dosent happen in 7 days as you claim Daniel 4:33 KJV 33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

Fact is, 60 God fearing christian scholars were on the KJV committee, that brought forth a masterpiece that has been established for 410 years and going strong Fact is, the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) that supports almost all new translations NIV, NASB, ESV, Etc, was created by (Kurt & Barbara Aland) adulterers and (Carlo Maria Martini) a roman catholic Jesuit cardinal and homosexual Union supporter I'll take the 60 God fearing Christian's, you can have the adulterers and homosexual union supporter

Revelation 11:7-12KJV 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

I Strongly Disagree There isn't going to be a kingdom on this earth where a physical Jesus Christ is going to live as you claim above Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"! "Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth" Matthew 24:23-27KJV 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Revelation 13:13-14KJV 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Revelation 19:20KJV 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The Two Witnesses will have literal bodies that die, lay in a literal street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration?

Moses and Aaron both physically died, I think more in the line of Enoch/Elijah who never experienced a physical death, it's appointed unto men once to die Hebrew 9:27 They will fulfill this as they lay dead in the street of Jerusalem for 3.5 days as the world celebrates their deaths in exchanging gifts