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I disagree, Matthew chapter 24 & Luke chapter 21 are talking about future events unfulfilled There will be one future resurrection of all, and catching up of believers, this takes place at the future second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation

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I believe preterism's 70AD fulfillment is a teaching in error "Future" events unfulfilled below Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation Matthew 24:21 Great Tribulation Matthew 24:29-31 Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained? Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days. If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four hundred and ninety years) Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below. Daniel 6:1KJV It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; Daniel 8:14KJV And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel 12:11KJV And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days. Daniel 10:2-3KJV 2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see (70 Literal Future Weeks) or 490 days. When the (Future) call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period. 62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off as Armies surrounding Jerusalem, who stop the building. The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth. The 3.5 year tribulation now starts. Daniel 9:24-27KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 12:1-5 is nothing more than a repeat telling of what had happened, satan waiting to devour the manchild is history, as King Herod moved to seek and kill Jesus in inquiring of the wise men As stated satan "Was" cast out of heaven long ago as Jesus clearly stated in Luke 10:17

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It's my opinion your reading into scripture things not seen Nothing states Jesus took Moses anyplace, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord Are you 7th Day Adventist or Jehovahs Witness?

Moses "Died" physically as scripture clearly states "When He Died" Deuteronomy 34:7KJV 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

I disagree Jesus is speaking to the Church, those persecuted for his name, those that are filled with the Holy Spirit, having a mouth that the Spirit will give (The Church) Luke 21:12-15KJV 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

I believe we are in the Apostasy, the love of many has grown cold, wars and rumors of wars I believe the next solid sign will be when a command goes out to rebuild the areas surrounding the temple mount, the wall/street, this will start the future literal 70 weeks of Daniel, 7 weeks preparation 62 weeks building, in the 70th week Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies, I believe "Muslim" in stopping the building near their mosque on the temple mount, at this time Jew/Hebrew Antichrist will be revealed bringing peace and proclaiming to be Messiah returned the 3.5 year tribulation starts At this time two literal prophets will be revealed (Two Witnesses) Revelation 11, bringing plagues upon a literal human man (The Antichrist) and world for 1260 days or 3.5 years, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt In the final week of earth's existence, the Two Witnesses will be killed in Jerusalem, dead bodies literally lay in the street, a literal world celebrates their death, they will be called to heaven before a world watching, as the final hours of earth's existence unfolds in the 3 woes The world armies will be gathered to Israel/Megiddo at this time, drawn by devils in deception Jesus Christ returns to the final battle, the resurrection and final judgement takes place in fire that dissolves the earth (The End) Eternity as the New Heaven, Eaeth, Jerusalem, are revealed

Satan was cast to this earth long ago, as Jesus states below He was at the temptation of Job upon earth, and he tempted the Lord for 40 days and nights upon earth Luke 10:18KJV 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

I disagree with your claims Jesus Christ will returns as the scripture clearly states, at this time the resurrected eternal glorified body is received, as death and hell are judged to the lake of fire, as death is swallowed up in victory Heaven isnt coming upon this earth as you claim, it will be dissolved by the Lords fire in final judgement at the second coming, we disagree

Your claim is error, Moses physically died and was buried Deuteronomy 34:5-7KJV 5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

We disagree, the Church will be present on earth to see the events of the tribulation Your suggesting "Escape" as meaning a pre-trib rapture, isn't even a reality in the context, assumption in speculation Luke 21:31KJV 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Many believe Enoch/Elijah will be the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11, this is based around they never experienced a physical death, and will experience this death in the future tribulation Moses died and was buried in Moab Deuteronomy 34:5-7 Its appointed unto men once to die Hebrews 9:27 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Thanks for the response, scripture clearly teaches the church will be present on earth to witness the second coming Luke 21:28 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. scripture clearly teaches that there will be one future resurrection and final judgement of "All" that are in the graves John 5:28-29 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I disagree, Nimrod wont be resurrected as the Antichrist The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers) (Daniel) 11:37KJV 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Examples: God Of His Fathers (2 Kings) 21:22KJV 22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord. (2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV 10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

Revelation 11 clearly describes the (Two Witnesses) as having literal bodies that will be killed, lay in a literal street in Jerusalem dead, as a literal world is watching exchanging gifts in celebration? Revelation 11:7-10KJV 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Thanks for the response D The scripture is simple, clear, and easy to understand, when Jesus Christ returns, the resurrection takes place, as death is swallowed up in victory (Then Cometh The End) glorified bodies are received, and eternity begins in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Jesus rules until the last enemy death is defeated, and this takes place at his second coming when death is swallowed up in victory as seen below (The End) As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Thanks for the response D Revelation 19 that you post is nothing more than the final battle seen in "Parallel Teachings" in Revelation chapters 16,19,20 all the same exact event before the second coming in the Lords fire in final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, as previously posted Jesus Is The Lord

The 1909 Scofield reference bible was the greatest world influence planting the pre-trib rapture in the minds and hearts of men, with millions of copies sold worldwide Scofield was instrumental in establishing Dallas Theological Seminary, the world head quarters for this teaching, as founder Lewis S. Chafee was a disciple of Scofield, and the Seminary finds its start in Scofield's Dallas Church Who was C.I. Scofield? Thanks for your interest Light, I believed as you for 20+ years, didn't have a clue on the foundations of my belief being found in John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield "Dispensationalism" Jesus Is The Lord

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ (Behold, I Make All Things New) 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Revelation 21:1-5KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Malachi 3:2KJV 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Psalm 46:6KJV 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalm 97:5KJV 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. Isaiah 66:15KJV 15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Nahum 1:5-6KJV 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him. Revelation 20:9KJV 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

There is no beginning of the Lords day, and 1,000 years later it ends, that's your private interpretation Jesus Christ will return in the resurrection of all and the final judgement by fire in the twinkling of an eye, so much for a 1,000 year day of the Lord The battle seen in Revelation 16 & 20 is the very same battle that takes place immediately after the tribulation (The End) we disagree

Oh Baloney and Hooey! Do some research and find out who the foundations are in the teaching of a pre-trib rapture John N. Darby 1830's (Plymouth Brethren, supported by C.I. Scofield 1909 reference bible, are you blind to the truth? Wikipedia: John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.