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Some of those 1/3rd who were purified as by fire in Zech 13: 8,9 Some of those who see their Messiah coming and then know the one they had pierced Zech 12:10 Some those those who come out alive from the 70th Week from all nations, tribes, languages and peoples. Those who will be ruled over. Those who must come year after year to Jerusalem to worship the Lord God Almighty and celebrated the Feast of Tabernacles. Then the earths population will be like the sand on the seashore at the end of the Mill. In Christ Montana Marv

where, what location? In Christ Montana Marv

That New Jerusalem which you refer to comes down form heaven is a city, mentioned 7 times. It is adorned as a Bride. Who are the kings of the earth which will bring spender into this city? Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone... , but only those who's names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life Rev 21:22; Includes the kings who bring splendor to it. I get it now;;;; Those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life (the Only one Bride); are both that city, those who go into this city and are the kings who are outside this city. In essence one is occupied by themself. Nice doctrine you are trying to convey. In Christ Montana Marv

Missing a few factors: The Two Witness go up bodily before Armageddon. The people see them go up in Awe. Bodily in Heaven before the 2nd Coming. The dead in Christ rise bodily first (to be joined with their spirits), then we Believers who are still alive in body will rise to meet them in the air. For a natural physical body to go into Heaven it must be changed into a glorified body. This is not a resurrection for those who are still Alive, it is an ascension, when did this body die to be resurrected. Those who reside in the Camp of the Lord at the end of the Mill, who are they; flesh and blood or Spiritual. Who are those who reside outside the Camp, are they flesh and blood or Spiritual. The answer would be both. Those outside the Camp would come year after year for the Feast of Tabernacles. And a question that neither of us can really properly explain. When reigning with Christ during the MK, are were reigning from Jerusalem over the masses of peoples, or are some us or many of us reigning over the masses where they reside in their nations. Then those in the Camp which are flesh and blood and live, after the masses outside the Camp are completely eradicated; When do these get resurrected, or do they just receive a new glorified body on site. Those who are caught up in the Rapture receive Alive receive their new glorified body as they ascend upwards. These still on earth at the end of the MK receive their glorified body on site also. Post-Trib makes no since; Many holes; From the rest of mankind not killed by the plagues continuing or not stopping their worship of demons and idols. What are you implying; are you or are you not part of the rest/remainder of mankind, those not killed. Post-Trib hangs on this: The noose is on. In Christ Montana Marv In Christ Montana Marv

Then according to John 14 He, Jesus Christ has not prepared a room or mansion for you in the Father's House. And you do not know the way to where Jesus Christ now is, in the Fathers House. So there is no way you can get there, You are earth bound. You will never enjoy any heavenly, in the kingdom of God experiences. That is a morbid thought. In Christ Montana Marv

I am proving what you believe in is not true. The Word is true. The way one interpreters it can be false and misleading, as yours is. Your One Bride con-tribe is theory, not fact. It's as if some seminary grad student wrote a thesis about what you now believe for his degree. Thesis, not Doctrine. You read his work at some time and took it Hook, Line, and Sinker. Your One Bride doctrine is False, like many of your other postings. Pie in the sky. Col 1:2 - To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ. Phil 1:1,2 - Paul and Timothy, servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Phillipi...v3 Your partnership in the gospel. And then. 2 Tim 4:18 - The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me to his heavenly kingdom, To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen. He is there now in his spirit, waiting to be reunited with his body. Which will be at the Rapture/Harpozo In Christ Montana Marv

The 70th to me can be similar to a bucket of water with solid material in it. Take a scoop of the water and put it a glass, then another scoop and put into another glass, and do it again a third time. Now agitate the bucket and take 1/4th of the liquid out, Then after a while agitate it again and take 1/3rd of the remaining liquid out. Now do a slow drain of the bucket. All the solid materials left in this bucket will go into the Wine press, Armageddon. All the water which is drained out are those who will go into the Mill. The first glass are those saints of Rev 13 who we killed and will go up.. The second glass are the 144,000 of Israel which will go up The third glass are those beheaded ones waiting under the Altar, later to go into heaven All the heavy solids are those who took the MOTB and worshiped him. Those who were drained out the bottom were all the demon and idol worshipers, which did not take the MOTB or worship him. and ushered into the Mill The 1st 1/4th are those who died in the 3rd Seal; The next 1/3rd are those who die at the 6th Trumpet. I see no Post Trib Rapture here. Just a dirty bucket at the end. In Christ Montana Marv

The Church/Bride of Christ is without spot or wrinkle' By God's Words those of Israel are like an unfaithful or adulteress wife . In Christ Montana Marv

So who are trying say is that we the N.T. Bride are trying to make our half sister the O.T. Bride envious. We done got the H.S. and you don't. We have the Fruits of the Spirit, you don't. We have been crucified with Christ, buried in his baptism and Resurrected with him, and you haven't. We worship on the 1st day of the week. You worship on the sabbath. Want a few more discrepancies. In Christ Montana Marv

Then there was no need for them to receive the Holy Spirit. They were already there. Doesn't work your way In Christ Montana Marv

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, Andrew and others were all under the O.T. paradym of the Jewish law. They were told to wait in Jerusalem until the baptism of the H.S. When did they become part of the Bride. Before Pentecost or after Pentecost. In Christ Montana Marv

They are not of the Bride, another group of believers. Such as newly converted Mormons, J.W. and the like. They new of Jesus, yet in all the wrong ways. In Christ Montana Marv

Post trib position is a farce. I never said all were killed before Mill. All with MOTB die. Many from all nations come out of 70th Week alive and enter the Mill. The Bride consists of only N.T. believers. Only those indwelt with the Holy Spirit. All since Pentecost. Pre Trib is only position impossible to predict. All others fall within the 70th Week. In Christ Montana Marv

The rest of mankind who did not die from the plagues (6th Trumpet) continued to worship demons and idols and they did not repent. Case closed In Christ Montana Marv

That is why the nations followed Satan at the end of the Mill. And this after being ruled with a rod of iron under Christ. In Christ Montana Marv

None took the Mark, The last of those who took the Mark died in Armageddon. None will be alive, they all die before the Mill. Yes many. Those still alive who did not take the MOTB or worship Him will be ushered into the Mill and will be ruled with a rod of iron by Christ. They all die before the Mill, for all will eventually go into the LOF. Many die, Many will go into the Mill. The time of Jacobs trouble is for Israel to be tested. Is that to hard to understand. In the name of God does not do justice for all who are demon and idol worshipers. They get what they deserved. And they did not repent. In Christ Montana Marv

Where did you get this from. The survivors of the 70th Week went into the Mill. Who says they were changed. Not in Scripture. Remember from about the 5th Trumpet on, all mankind did not stop worship demons and idols. All mankind, Repeat All Mankind. You got it, Those survivors who attacked Jerusalem had to go year after year to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, or no rain would fall on their nation. You got it, this are those demon and idol worshipers who came out of the 70th Week, but they had not received the MOTB , or worshiped the A/C. And yes these are still of the seed of Adam which will repopulate the earth for 1000 years. They need to be ruled with a rod of iron. Former demon and idol worshipers. Who said they were God's Elect, many are not, but those 1/3 of Israel are his elect. I know you will not comprehend this. Why try, Your set on Post-Trib, yet you cannot deny that all/rest mankind from the 5th Trumpet on were demon and idol worshipers as Scripture says. That would put anyone near the end of the 70th Week as all demon and idol worshipers. Let that sink in. That is why I am not Post-Trib. In Christ Montana Marv

Have you been united to Christ or not. Have you been joined to Christ or not. We are joined to Christ in his Death, We are joined to Christ in his Baptism, We are joined to Christ in his Resurrection. All by the power of the Holy Spirit. What Scripture does not say is that we have been joined to Christ in his Ascension. So if Christ be risen, he considers us to be risen with him. We are already redeemed. One must be dead to be resurrected, Yet 2 Thes 4 states Those still Alive which have not died are raised up in the Harpozo. That proves they have not been in the grave, therefore one who is Alive cannot be Resurrected. According to what you Believe. I believe they cannot be resurrected either. They ascend Alive, because they have already been united in Christ's Resurrection, and have already been Crucified with Christ. In Christ Montana Marv

That is why they are different from Us of the Church. Matt 5:12 - Rejoice and be glad when you are being persecuted..... When did the Bride/Church change direction. Stephen asked for his killers to be forgiven. These ask for their blood to be avenged, because of their killers. Night and day responses. Only one conclusion, there are two different groups of Believers here. One is the Bride (asks for forgiveness), the other is not of the Bride (asks for their blood to be avenged). Both are accepted by God, yet they are different. In Christ Montana Marv

His Glorification process did not happen until He went/Ascended to the Father. Similar to Moses face shining so bright they could not look at his face. Being in the presence of God on the Mountain. His Return. Rev 19:12 - His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. In Christ Montana Marv

If they were not of the seed of Adam, they would not have followed Satan. They still had to choose. The seed of Adam, or the seed of Christ. On one group will follow Satan. In Christ Montana Marv

Those 1/3 of Israel who went trough the refining process Zech 13: 8,9 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty they will have no rain..... Zech 14 16 - 19 In those days 10 men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe..... Zech 8:23 None of which took the Mark or worshiped the Beast. In Christ Montana Marv

John 20.17 touch me not for I have not yet ascended In Christ Montana Marv

Then you have already experienced his Resurrection. Thus you cannot be part of any future Resurrection. In Christ Montana Marv

Why do the beheaded ones ask for their blood to be avenged. Stephen asked for those to be forgived. Stephen indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The Church has not changed to a different message. Different set of saint's in the 70th Week. Maybe Mormons J.W., And the like. In Christ Montana Marv