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franciskelsey, on 21 Aug 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:
I agree with the start post but of course it is hard to back up all things with scripture on a solid level. However, concerning the Gen. account I differ, believing the sons of God were of the Seth line and not fallen angels. I can find no place that the sons of God are ever called fallen angels and I also could not find any valid claims of woman becoming pregnant with such encounters. However, I know that is most likely already on another thread. There is most certainly evil spirits all around us and they can cater to our desires to win us over. I do believe all ghost/aliens on this earth are demonic. However, there is what seems to be a variety of different creatures and/or angels in the presence of God. Are they all angels or are there other creatures up there as well. Time will tell.
Interesting point concerning the sons of God. The verse beginning with the mention of them ends with Gen 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown."
Were Seth's lineage some how different genetically for this conclusion? And why to separate folks into two groups since all originate from Adam and Eve? Implying the word son בֵּן (bēn) refers to a different status which it according to Strong can do, that also expands the possibilities to include other entities.
I did not expect to reply yet thus I left all my study papers at home
and for that matter I still have not have completely made up my mind. In Exodus we find God calling Israel His son and in Psalm we I believe 83 we find the term for what appears to be the sons of God as all who worship God. Some believe in a separation only being of those who obey God and those who did not, however there is hints of following God on the Seth side with no hints and in fact, perhaps the opposite on the other branch. All in all I see no clear passage in separating the two lines though the possibility exist. What would make of the word nephilim on an other account later on?
This would almost imply an attitude or way of living based on the above fact than a race of people. Knowing the term means "fallen ones" it is not certain as to what to make of it but a way of living is possible. The bible states these neps were there at (or before) the time of the debated scripture occurrence and after, there fore only the men of old and renown (men of great statue of placement) were the offspring of such and not the "giants".
Although not scriptural, most of the civilized cultures (meaning they could record their past in one way or another) speak of beings coming down from above who began to interact with the humanity. This is not only written of but depicted on many occasion. Did all of them simply made this stuff up? Especially in Sumer their tablets speak of quite amazing things.
It is true that in the "lost books" of 1 Enoch and Adam and Eve as well is Josephus had writings or believed such as the demon (fallen angel account) and it was even Jewish historic thought from what I read. The question is what do we believe? The early church has always been against this idea and the "lost books" were never thought of is inspired and in fact, they hated these writings and called them out against God. Josephus just wrote what was Jewish tradition. If one believes in the "lost books" accounts one must also believe in all the other crazy stuff found in these writings including the 2,3, and 4th Enoch. Do we believe the word of God or Greek mythological writings? As we know, Jewish tradition has not always had things right either. To further the problem, we have to go against what Jesus states about angels and the fact they CANNOT marry, and that is what these Sons of God did, they married. Not just had sex. No where else in scripture can we find such writings.
Sure, sometimes interpreting the Word is not made easy, and the Holy Spirit even may struggle make us understand as we often are quite slow to understand things which do not fit our world view.
I agree with what the other one said: the Bible is not a record of dark arts etc. It speaks of many a thing but does not go into too much detail. The point probably being, neither should we put all our time and energy on the dark side, but it sure is important to know the enemy and his ways.
As for the end time perspective, I don't know the hour, but I see lots of activity gaining momentum in this world. Many await aliens to rescue us, and I even used to co-operate with some beings years ago while I doing my astral travel and other stuff. So knowing of the deception can be of importance in this sense. Hence knowing of the subject and especially how to proceed with these things may in some occasion actually make your day.
It sure is not to wave the flag and show off the power of your faith, but sometimes we might be led by the Lord to put things in order. By then our thoughts should really be aligned with the Lord though. The more and the deeper we work with God, the greater the possibility we will encounter this stuff. It's not maybe everyone's calling but you never know.
Come hell or high water, everything is about the name of Jesus no matter what follows.
If you are new in faith and feel like it' s some cool stuff be patient in your praying and discerning what God actually wants for you to proceed with. These things may sound like 'cool' (hollywood associations at work then) but the stuff is real and must be dealt properly otherwise you just make yourself a target.
Be sure to first follow Jesus in what He actually instructs us (hint: read the Bible and get born again from the spirit, then receive the gifts of the Spirit God will grand you).
Although even the spirits may then be subject to you, mind not that but rejoice your name is written in the book of life and praise the Lord.
The more you actually work for God will already get Satan worried. And he tries to convince us it's not worth to follow Christ. I've met the former a couple times when he was hoping I would curse God due to certain conditions back then but I find no glory in him, so I will just stick with my Savior and Creator instead. Sometimes I just find the devil so dumb. Actually rise against the Creator of all life and try to replace Him? Go figure, he used to be an angel of light. Pride doth go before the fall.
But yeah, Jesus is the answer and the solution. Praise Him.
Concerning the rest of your post, praise the Lord. You have certainly have had more experiences with this sort of thing than me.
On a finale note for now, I have been looking into the possibility of sons of God being leaders or judges. Look up the word for God used there you will see it was used for judges 5 times I believe and in Psalms the leaders are called Gods. Jesus quotes this in John. In Psalms you can even see the written difference of them and "men". I still have some research to do. I wish I had all of my study scripture here with me. It is an interesting topic. I also have trouble when realizing the only ones God seemed angry at was men and not the angels. The usual cross scripture used for the belief in angels just does not hold up at all.
Anyhow, thanks again for bringing my interest up here. I should have a conclusion for sure by next week. I will post my concluding thoughts than with scripture. God bless,
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I agree with the start post but of course it is hard to back up all things with scripture on a solid level. However, concerning the Gen. account I differ, believing the sons of God were of the Seth line and not fallen angels. I can find no place that the sons of God are ever called fallen angels and I also could not find any valid claims of woman becoming pregnant with such encounters. However, I know that is most likely already on another thread. There is most certainly evil spirits all around us and they can cater to our desires to win us over. I do believe all ghost/aliens on this earth are demonic. However, there is what seems to be a variety of different creatures and/or angels in the presence of God. Are they all angels or are there other creatures up there as well. Time will tell.
Interesting point concerning the sons of God. The verse beginning with the mention of them ends with Gen 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown."
Were Seth's lineage some how different genetically for this conclusion? And why to separate folks into two groups since all originate from Adam and Eve? Implying the word son בֵּן (bēn) refers to a different status which it according to Strong can do, that also expands the possibilities to include other entities.
What would make of the word nephilim on an other account later on?
Although not scriptural, most of the civilized cultures (meaning they could record their past in one way or another) speak of beings coming down from above who began to interact with the humanity. This is not only written of but depicted on many occasion. Did all of them simply made this stuff up? Especially in Sumer their tablets speak of quite amazing things.
Sure, sometimes interpreting the Word is not made easy, and the Holy Spirit even may struggle make us understand as we often are quite slow to understand things which do not fit our world view.
I agree with what the other one said: the Bible is not a record of dark arts etc. It speaks of many a thing but does not go into too much detail. The point probably being, neither should we put all our time and energy on the dark side, but it sure is important to know the enemy and his ways.
As for the end time perspective, I don't know the hour, but I see lots of activity gaining momentum in this world. Many await aliens to rescue us, and I even used to co-operate with some beings years ago while I doing my astral travel and other stuff. So knowing of the deception can be of importance in this sense. Hence knowing of the subject and especially how to proceed with these things may in some occasion actually make your day.
It sure is not to wave the flag and show off the power of your faith, but sometimes we might be led by the Lord to put things in order. By then our thoughts should really be aligned with the Lord though. The more and the deeper we work with God, the greater the possibility we will encounter this stuff. It's not maybe everyone's calling but you never know.
Come hell or high water, everything is about the name of Jesus no matter what follows.
If you are new in faith and feel like it' s some cool stuff be patient in your praying and discerning what God actually wants for you to proceed with. These things may sound like 'cool' (hollywood associations at work then) but the stuff is real and must be dealt properly otherwise you just make yourself a target.
Be sure to first follow Jesus in what He actually instructs us (hint: read the Bible and get born again from the spirit, then receive the gifts of the Spirit God will grand you).
Although even the spirits may then be subject to you, mind not that but rejoice your name is written in the book of life and praise the Lord.
The more you actually work for God will already get Satan worried. And he tries to convince us it's not worth to follow Christ. I've met the former a couple times when he was hoping I would curse God due to certain conditions back then but I find no glory in him, so I will just stick with my Savior and Creator instead. Sometimes I just find the devil so dumb. Actually rise against the Creator of all life and try to replace Him? Go figure, he used to be an angel of light. Pride doth go before the fall.
But yeah, Jesus is the answer and the solution. Praise Him.
Unfortunately right now I have to venture to the library to use the computer (Hoping that will change again next month) so I cannot comment much, and being there is already many topics on the same. Fact is, you have brought one very interesting thing to me in regards to the stories of many across the world concerning such. I have quite a few books at the house so, to be honest, so far on this topic my research has been on the light side, but I will dig much deeper into this in the next week and if it is all right with you I will just give you a PM of any thing new I have came across. My believe in this way of thinking is not concrete. You have asked a few god questions. Thank you for stirring up my interest in this topic. God bless
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I agree with the start post but of course it is hard to back up all things with scripture on a solid level. However, concerning the Gen. account I differ, believing the sons of God were of the Seth line and not fallen angels. I can find no place that the sons of God are ever called fallen angels and I also could not find any valid claims of woman becoming pregnant with such encounters. However, I know that is most likely already on another thread. There is most certainly evil spirits all around us and they can cater to our desires to win us over. I do believe all ghost/aliens on this earth are demonic. However, there is what seems to be a variety of different creatures and/or angels in the presence of God. Are they all angels or are there other creatures up there as well. Time will tell.
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Sorry Joe, sometimes I tend to skip over some post sometimes. Fantastic job for the answer. I am glad I looked into it though. Seems some things stick in my head more that way. God bless
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I am sure some others can give you much more insight than me but on my findings they are certainly different. The very basics are, from what I read in my two books on the Quakers, they consider themselves a third sect of Christians (friends) meaning not Catholic, not Protestant but Quaker. They put spirituality as #1. The only true "must believes" are no war and a moral busy standard of life. They debate little is little is absolute and most things are left up to you and the "inner light" including the deity of Jesus Christ and the Trinity as well is abortion. They believe in Jesus but leave it up to each person to determine who Jesus is and/or how He relates to their inner light. They believe in spiritual baptism but do not allow water baptism.
Any rituals are forbidden and though some sects have changed a bit now it was traditional to meet on Sunday and have no singing or preaching. They let the Spirit move their time together, Their seems to be no true leader and every one as held to equal standards though some have more prominent roles in leadership and decision making. They have no Creeds or real doctrines as every one decides with their own inner light.
It should be notes they do consider themselves Christian and they do believe in God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit, though the trinity and deity is left to each person as to what to believe. The same is true for heaven and hell. There is no right and wrong answer in these regards. It is all about learning and discerning from your inner light, which I am sure is generally considered the Spirit, however, as every thing else, they have no standard on grace nor sin either.
It is almost as most things are just up in the air and left up to the persons inner light though they regard the bible extremely high and read it much. They do have different sects with slightly different traditions or beliefs. In general, a sect seems to be what they are in a way. I believe many are Christian but I believe "friendship" and inner light plays a bigger role than any "Christian doctrine" or what the bible states clearly. Good, busy, holy lives are what they are all about but they go about it in a "inner light feel good" sort of way. They seem to substitute "inner light" with biblical doctrine. That being said, I believe I will stay believing what the bible states is true.
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I got a book on it. Let me see if I can post their basics after a bit. My laptop is not running good right now. It has been on 2 hours straight. LOL I will post later. I gotta let my laptop take a break
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Remember that the parable of Lazerous was just a parable so it can't be taken as actual fact.
We know a few things about death and Resurrection.
1. God resurrected a few people immediately after Jesus death to be taken up to his throne-room (Including the thief on the cross).
2. Most are sleeping in the Earth.
3. Hell (Death) is not a place of constant torture but of no consciousness at all.
4. Most people who have died are still in Sheol (Hell) and thus are unconscious.
5. Apart from the 144,000 who were resurrected immediately after Jesus death there is also a great multitude waiting to be resurrected that will be resurrected when the seventh trumpet sounds in 2083. This will be about 22 Billion people that will join Jesus to join him to witness the final victory over death and Sin.OOOO K then. Other than the thief on the cross, what makes you believe in point #1?
Other that OT scripture in which some speak of your body being in the grave what scripture do you use for this? Also, PLEASE address scripture I gave in the last post of the last (1st page) page of this thread. (a click on the back button.)
And point #3 -- #4 -- and MOST OF ALL -- #5
Please do not keep us in wondering my friend, but it does appear you are getting some info from WAYYY outside of scripture my friend.
God bless
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life is a death sentence.
True, and Jesus is life, but I am still not crossing on foot a busy city freeway or trying to fly like a bird when I am not one from a cliff. I think Jesus had something to say to the ole devil relating to this one.
I would not go. All first time voyages into uncharted territory (especially those without oxygen) always end badly and it take many tries to work out the kinks. And what's wrong with earth anyway it was made special just for us
Exactly. Like going to the desert with no water or making your home in the ocean with no boat. It's like if your father made you a nice tree house but you wanted to relax in the middle of the pond instead.
Truly though, I highly doubt this will ever happen. There is way too much we do not know. We do know one thing for sure. This little planet God gave us, we can live a while here. I think I will keep the gift of God. Does it not say something when every other planet in the system is believed to be uninhabitable?
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If they ever truly do launch off, which I doubt, it would be a death sentence.
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I love all the pictures. Nothing like showing off Gods beautiful creation.
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NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
16Lord, in distress we searched for you.
We prayed beneath the burden of your discipline.
17Just as a pregnant woman
writhes and cries out in pain as she gives birth,
so were we in your presence, Lord.
18We, too, writhe in agony,
but nothing comes of our suffering.
We have not given salvation to the earth,
nor brought life into the world.
19But those who die in the Lord will live;
their bodies will rise again!
Those who sleep in the earth
will rise up and sing for joy!
For your life-giving light will fall like dew
on your people in the place of the dead!
Restoration for Israel
20Go home, my people,
and lock your doors!
Hide yourselves for a little while
until the Lord’s anger has passed.
21Look! The Lord is coming from heaven
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will no longer hide those who have been killed.
They will be brought out for all to see.
I believe a lot can be said about what you do with the connection of verse 19 and 20. If it were to be a pre trib verse why would we lock our doors behind us? To me, this scripture implies that though there is hope and a promise, until that time comes, when Gods wrath unfolds, should go inside, lock our doors until the wrath (or tribulation) is over. It can be seen all over across the oceans now on how many under ground churches that are present. They cannot be seen or known for fear of death.
There could be more than one way to look at the scripture but for me, I see it is remaining in our hope and promises of God despite and through all what will come, because at the end, we have the blessed hope of His returning and resurrection. It is hard for me to understand the concept of locking our doors to our mansions in heaven. You know what I'm saying. It is an interesting area of scripture. Thanks for sharing. God bless
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Scripture in part
2 Corinthians 5:6 and 8 -- while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. (I would) prefer rather be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
Hebrew 12:22-23 -- But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God -- to the general assembly and church of the first born who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect.
It is important to note, "paradise" is another term for heaven in the NT. via 2 Corinthians 12:2,4 -- caught up to the third heaven -- was caught up into paradise. Now we can move on. (PS this was believed to be Paul when he was stoned and thought to be dead)
Luke 23:43 Today you shall be with Me in paradise. (Jesus talking to the other man on the cross)
Philippians 1:23 -- (I have) the desire to part and to be with Christ. (I do not believe I have to quote where Jesus presently resides - in heaven at the right side of the Father)
2 Thessalonians 5:10 (Christ died for us) so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. (that is, when we die and are in spirit we will live with Him though He presently does reside in all believers hearts through the Holy Spirit.)
There are also passages in Revelation but I will not use those for fear of another rapture debate as those who believe in pre trib believe at the start of chapter 4 the saints are taken to heaven.
In typing and looking up these passages it amazes me how much I do not know and how much more I want to know of our great God. The biggest thing I wanted to show and give was certainty of believers going to heaven when we die. Even on the internet these days it seems hard to find truthful sites thus I am glad I still resort to books a lot of times.
God bless and take care Gods family.
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I know when you are going through tough times people quoting scripture does not seem adequate even though we know these are the very words that give us life and truth. I have been tempted much and have not always passed the test despite my efforts. I must say though, God is forgiving and was with me the whole time. He does understand our weaknesses. I have suffered greatly and will suffer much more, though my suffering fails in comparison to many others. Sometimes when we are suffering it seems to feel like when Jesus was dying on the cross and cried out, "Why have You forsaken Me?". Sometimes it is not until after the pain that we can clearly see and know that Jesus was indeed with us.
I think it helps sometimes to read the stories in the bible and to try to comprehend what they went through and their accomplishments, failures and suffering. Remember in the midst of suffering Job cried out to God but just could not understand? There is a reason for every suffering and every failure even though we may never know that reasoning here. You may never know how many people may be lead to Christ by your endurance in faith through suffering.
God has never told us He will always give us the answers we are looking for but He did say and is always with us even up to the point and through death. Reading the stories of suffering Christians are so inspiring. Reading the results bring tears to the eyes because it is then we know God was and is there continually.
Be strong, keep the faith, ask forgiveness when needed, and He will show Himself truthful and faithful in the end. Remember we are called to suffer in this life. Also remember Gods promises even when we can not sense His presence. It is by this faith He rewards us greatly and trains us and gives us the ability and always and forever to live on His promises alone. Please seek help from your local Christ family as sometimes our internet family cannot give us the same personal help and touch in the way that we need. These are why we are called family, to help others in time of need and to help others see the eyes of Jesus Christ during their most painful time of suffering. Also remember time heals many things.
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35adjective having foreskin, i.e. uncircumcised; — ׳ע Exodus 12:48 5t.; construct עֶ֫רֶל Ezekiel 44:9 (twice in verse); עֲרַל Exodus 6:12,30; feminine עֲרִלָה Jeremiah 6:10; plural עֲרִלִים Leviticus 19:23 20t.; construct עַרְלֵי Jeremiah 9:25 2t.; — uncircumcised person Exodus 12:48; Joshua 5:7 (P), Philistines Judges 14:3; Judges 15:18; 1 Samuel 14:6; 1 Samuel 17:26,36; 1 Samuel 31:4; 2 Samuel 1:20; 1 Chronicles 10:4; of other nations Isaiah 52:1; Jeremiah 9:25; especially as slain Ezekiel 28:10; Ezekiel 31:18; Ezekiel 32:19 9t. 32; in Ezekiel 32:27 read מֵעוֺלָם so Hi and most (see on meaning Toy31, 18); עָרֵל זָכָר uncircumcised male Genesis 17:14 (P); בָּשָׂר ׳ע Ezekiel 44:7,9 uncircumcised of flesh; figurative of fruit trees Leviticus 19:23 (compare [עָרַל] above); שְׂפָתַיִם ׳ע figurative of incapacity to speak Exodus 6:12,30; of character, לב ׳ע Jeremiah 9:25; Ezekiel 44:7,9, compare לֵבָבָם הֶעָרֵל Leviticus 26:41 (P), עֲרֵלָה אָזְנָם Jeremiah 6:10 their ear is uncircumcised (unreceptive).
http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/6189.htm
The word uncircumcised is used more than just a word for the physical nature but of figurative speaking of things as well and as already pointed out, concerning Moses it was his speech, perhaps Hebrew, in which was felt not up to par with what was thought to be the standard.
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True evidence can only really be found in the many testimonies of the many saints throughout the world and almost all of our own experiences right here on this site. Like everything else in life, it is what we choose to believe.
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LOL very funny
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WOW!! How can I possibly top that last post?? As pointed out earlier, however, God is without time, thus time means nothing. So, if a theory to disproof something includes time in trying to disproof something that has no time there is no reason nor common ground for the testing or conclusion. Secondly, by your theory, it is based on knowledge, again, as pointed out, that we came up with, or created. If God created the sun, moon, and stars in six days, how many more years do you think it will take for humans to do the same? Can't say? Of course not. It is kinda like having a pet dog. If you throw a stick it might go chase it, and with food you can entice it to learn many tricks. It acts on instinct as well is learning. In time you can get a dog with the proper training to do a lot of things (though my dog never would LOL) because it has instinct to always crave better things. What the dog will never understand is why humans go to work, or how (Like they care how) we drive a car? They just want to be in the car while you are driving to work.
How does all of this relate to a thing? If God created us (in which He did) and also knew all knowledge that we would bestow (in which all knowledge comes from Him and without Him there could literally not even be life in existence) how then can we measure knowledge to the same degree? How can a dog understand a human? How can a created human ever understand the love of God? As pointed out in the last post, some things are far beyond a mathematical figure. We can calculate wind but can never truly understand it. We can predict the weather and feel the rain but never get a 24 hour forecast correct. We can fall in love and experience love but truly never be able to explain it.
Thus is the way with the Holy Spirit.
How can the thing created say to the One that created, you cannot exist? You are a mathematical type of guy. Have you ever calculated the chances of life and order coming from an explosion, or how earth is the only know planet that is believed to be able to sustain life. Your theory is based on the knowledge of what man came up with for man to relate to. Thus it has no bearings to an unlimited source of knowledge. We only have the knowledge that is allowed to us. Even with that, a dog knows love. A dog understands when his owner cares. A dog cannot get excited enough knowing his savior is coming back again. Thus it is with me and my Savior Jesus Christ. We do not have to understand everything to be able to enjoy the King's presence and to know the best is yet ahead, beyond any numbers we can ever come up with in our heads. Eternity is placed in our hearts. Can you put a mathematical equation on either one of those two things my friend? May you too find the way into the love of God. God bless.
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welcome to Worthy
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If Jesus is the Word, what is the Bible?
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
In my research, these scriptures you brought seems to fit nicely with my thoughts as well. In one sense, The Word is another title to Christ found in the following:
New International Version (©1984) Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
In another sense the word, as it is called, is found rooted in Creation:
Psalm 33:6 New International Version (©1984)
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.
Wisdom 9:1 Oh God -- You have made all things by your word.
I guess in my conclusion it is used as a name given, an expression of inspiration, a source of revelation. God is the word. The word is within us. The word is God breathed.
A little tricky to wrap our heads around but we cannot have the word without God and cannot have God without His word. (Which He can place in our hearts without the bible if we do not have access to one)
Good topic
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Forgive me. For I have not dived into this thread much to say the least, but a question for those who believe Hebrews was not talking about the 'saved'. Were the following people saved:
2 Corinthians 13:5 Can we fail the test?
1 Timothy 1:19-20 Hymenaeus and Alexander -- shipwrecked?
2 Timothy 1:14 all in Asia
James 5:19-20 brethren straying from the truth?
2 Peter 2:14-15; 20-22 the righteous returning to their vomit?
3 John 9-10
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I was talking to a friend this morning who is not certain that Jesus paid the penalty for ALL sin and thought this might make a good topic to discuss here.
Thus...this post.
However if I might venture to set some parameters for this thread (I mean I can't stop anyone from doing otherwise but hopefully those who post will have some measure of godly self-control in sticking to the thread topic)...this thread is about the topic of whether Jesus paid the penalty for ALL sin.
It is NOT about once saved always saved or related issues (i.e. Amernian vs Calvinism of which there is already a very good thread about that here) though I grant you that one's stand on the question I raise does tie into the once saved always saved / one can lose their salvation controversy. But it is not directly about that. So PLEASE...stick to the topic at hand.
Once again the topic is did Jesus pay the penalty for ALL sin, once for all time (for ALL of our past, present, and future sin all rolled into the one sacrifice on the cross).
What does the Bible say about that? And is it definitively clear or not on this issue?
I personally believe the Bible is clear in saying that His death was for ALL sin once for ALL time. When I say ALL I mean exactly that. ALL. As in past, present, and future. ALL.
What say ye?
Carlos
Hebrews 7:25
New Living Translation (©2007)
Therefore he is able, once and forever, to save those who come to God through him. He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.
The answer is yes, in that on this earth He always offers forgiveness, and He knows what sins you will do all the days of your life even before you are born. However, that does not take away accountability. If one sins, the MUST REPENT and ask Jessus Lord for forgiveness. God bless
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This type of prophecy is common. Photo type is one way to look at it. We even saw it with John the Baptist in OT prophecies. Here are a few other prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the same manner. Yes, these type of prophecies can both be seen as experienced by the OT author as well is a prophecy. Here we go:
New International Version 1984
10Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, 11“Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.”
12But Ahaz said, “I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.”
13Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14Therefore the Lord himself will give youc a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, andd will call him Immanuel.e 15He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right. 16But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”
with Luke 1:26-31
New International Version 1984
15This is what the Lord says:
“A voice is heard in Ramah,
mourning and great weeping,
Rachel weeping for her children
and refusing to be comforted,
because her children are no more.”
16This is what the Lord says:
“Restrain your voice from weeping
and your eyes from tears,
for your work will be rewarded,”
declares the Lord.
“They will return from the land of the enemy.
17So there is hope for your future,”
with Matthew 2:16-18
New International Version 1984
God’s Love for Israel
1“When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.
2But the more Ia called Israel,
the further they went from me.b
They sacrificed to the Baals
and they burned incense to images.
with 2:14-15
New International Version 1984
5“See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”
with Matthew 11:13-14
If you need any help with more understanding of these verses please lat me know. There are many more just like them. Some are believed to be three fold, meaning first, a near prophecy, second, a distant prophecy (often in relation to Christ Jesus) and thirdly, a prophecy concerning the fulfillment of the end times.
Though God has taught me much, He has much more to teach me. LOL However, if there is of any way I can be of help please let me know. God bless
PS a couple that are just like your verse in question are Isa 53:1; Ps 41:9; Zech 11:12; Ps 35:11; and several others and in order relates to John 12:37-38; Luke 23:47-48; Matt 26:14; and Mark 15:47
and for that matter I still have not have completely made up my mind. In Exodus we find God calling Israel His son and in Psalm we I believe 83 we find the term for what appears to be the sons of God as all who worship God. Some believe in a separation only being of those who obey God and those who did not, however there is hints of following God on the Seth side with no hints and in fact, perhaps the opposite on the other branch. All in all I see no clear passage in separating the two lines though the possibility exist. 
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Interesting to note, one book at my house places I believe 19 quotes in the NT from 1 Enoch. I must say however, a known book does not make it inspired. Very interesting points you have brought up. In the sections I have read of 1 Enoch, and other such books, there does seem to be a bit of truth for sure. Adam and Even brought up the "fact" before the fall animals could talk to and like humans, thus implying how Satan was able to subdue Eve in the garden, however, in this story and in many like it, it often caters to self, Greek mythology, or almost seems to take a view point of Satan in that it expresses that side or take on some of the stories.
In saying that, I have so much more to learn yet. Funny thing about me, I do not like to conclude anything is fact until I can know for certain, and can prove, at least to myself, that such and such is true. Concerning the Genesis account, I have yet to come to that point there fore at this time I am still learning much and am all ears.
Concerning stories shared in many other cultures, we find this to be true of other things from Gen. as well, like the flood, the human race starting from one man and one woman, the garden of Eden, and more for sure. All of these stories, if one considers the bible historic fact, (as I do) would of had to come from Noah after the flood (and his family). It is hard to say how many years there was between the separation of the human race and the writing of Genesis, though there have been some educated guesses. That being said, is it really possible that all stories around the world came from the Jewish understanding of Genesis? Being that the believes are often much different this is almost impossible to be the case, thus it is a very convincing view concerning the fallen angels in relation to the world wide stories.
I do sometimes wonder if I will come to a defining certain answer answer, even for myself, but I sure am working on it. I really do appreciate all of the thoughts that have been displayed. In knowing all the truth in Gods word we do must try to consider everything that there is believed to be some truth to it, though absolute can only be found in one source, of course. Thanks for the patience shown in regards to my timing.
God bless ya all.
PS Diatheosis, thank you for your story. I must say I cannot relate too much for sure. I am glad you found the true Jesus. I do believe every Christian struggles with learning to discern the spirits (the Holy Spirit versing the spirit of the fallen ones) a good share of their Christian life and walk.
May Jesus always be with and guard us all from the deceptions of Satan and his lies and lead us to the one and only truth that can be found in Jesus of Nazareth alone. Praise the Lord our Father. He will prevail and we will prevail with Him, through His power alone. Amen.