*Zion*

Yes sharky, I realise that. You probably didnt mean it in a bad way, but please don't assume that I haven't taken my own children into account. In fact, one of the reasons I haven't come forward sooner is because I didn't want him to do something to THEM in retaliation. Again, my husband is extremely intelligent. He smells anything like authorities and he can do anything. He is a consummate actor. He's fooled everyone around us for 9yrs. Please just pray.

You don't know how many times i have weighed in my heart exactly all these things. I am praying. It's hard, because anger has now replaced any love I ever had for him. I am utterly, helplessly furious at him. But I give it all to God in the desperation of prayer, as he feeds off of any reaction he can manipulate. He feels powerful in doing so. Let's see what God will do. The counselling session is this Friday evening.

My husband wants our pastors to counsel us. I'm suspicious. They love him, and they think I'm a bad fit for the church. I agreed to it. I have nothing to hide, nothing to lose and even if they kick me out of the church or how bad it can get, I guess I just wasn't meant to be part of that congregation. I've been there since 2002. I've poured out my heart in minstry in this church. But if it's time to go, then I trust God for myself and my children. Pray for me.

Thank you billiards.

I would say they have the itching ears syndrome. To some, anything is more palatable than hearing the truth of the gospel; even needlessly giving away money if they think it'll make them seem more righteous than the one who is actually doing the right thing. These are the last days, and many shall be deceived - even the elect would be, if it were not for the Lord cutting the time short, as He says in His Word. Those who endure to the end will be saved. Hang in there, brother.

I said I thought he was the first rider, on the white horse; not the red.

Ah. Ok, thanks.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not standing on anything else.

So you're saying that the Bible really is a linear account of events? I'm happy to receive it as linear if that's what it is. Is there any way you can show me that it is? redirect me to a study, perhaps, or something of the like?

Amen to that too. I believe it.

Amen, bro. Amen.

I see it in Putin's varying success in annexing some of the ussr territories, trying to restore the old empire. This going forth conquering and to conquer has prompted the very real threat of war. the anti-christ needs an excuse for world war/false peace. Also, Russia's presence in Syria really, really bugs me. I agree with the covertness too, the enemy has many back up plans. he knows his time is short.

Steven, I am by no means as scholarly as many on here, but I have read through the bible. I am convinced that it the Holy Word of God, perfect, lacking nothing, complete in truth, power, revelation and life. What is written that tells you that the entire proceeding of scripture that is God's Word in the arrangement that we have it in is linear in nature? I am not trying to add or take away from God's Word, but I am very interested in the unfolding of events in the succession of time. Please explain further. Thanks.

The book of Revelation is not a linear account of events; in fact the books of the whole bible are not ordered according to linear time at all. That's what makes it so difficult to tell what time it is. Many scholars have their own version of bible chronology, differing from each other to varying degrees. One thing I am sure of. Jesus is coming back very, very soon. These are the last days indeed.

I still don't see how the four horse riders can all be the anti-christ. However I will say that you have summed up the chapters of the book of revelation, but I'm still left unsure of your take on its chronology.

Interesting take. Your estimations seem to be based on the idea that the church will be raptured before the revelation of the anti-christ. It's difficult for me to accept the idea that the four riders are not different entities but one and the same.

There are four horse riders. Please show me scripture that says the anti-christ is the first rider on the white horse. Thank you.

A member of my church thinks that we are in the 6th seal. Here is the sequences of events she is talking about. Revelation 6 King James Version (KJV) 6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. 7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. 9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? After looking closer at this chapter I actually think we are in the middle of the 1st seal, with the rider going out conquering and to conquer. I'm thinking Putin, here. That's my take. All your responses are welcome, but let's not fight or get catty. We can disagree politely, and - shock; horror - we can consider what others have to say, respectfully! I'm looking forward to lots of information, rich discussion, and context. What time is it?

Praise God! I'm not out of the woods yet but I know God is working! I have more strength than I have had in a long time. I am praising God more than i have done in a long time. I don't see the way through yet but i know it's coming into sight. breakthrough is coming, and the glory will be the Lord's alone. Thank you for your continued prayers!

Not that I know; I will have a look so I can be prepared if I need to find one.

jtc what you're saying is kind of scary. he does over-react about things like that. i am coming to the realization that my whole marriage has been just an act. i am essentially married to a stranger. and stillalive: he mistook my kindness as sign of weakness, and that is proabably why i am in the mess i am in. please keep praying for me, guys. i need all the prayers i can get. i am trying not to panic right now. God is on the throne and in control.

Thank you for your responses. I am really praying and thinking hard what to do.

Looking for any advice and prayers. I don't know how else to describe it. I feel trapped. After 9 slow years and 3 kids I have come to the very concrete realization that my husband is a passive aggressive narcissit/sociopath/psychopath. I have real questions about his salvation. I took him for better or for worse. The only way out of marriage by divorce is if one of us cheats. It won't be me. I would really appreciate all your prayers, this is so difficult for me to go through. There is only one thing my husband is interested in: control and power. He doesn't care about me or our children. We are just social experiments to him. I feel bad for him that he is the way he is, but I have to keep my distance if I am to survive mentally and emotionally. Please keep me in your prayers, guys, i need all the prayers that I can get.

Absolutely. Motive is always important.

This is more of what I'm trying to ascertain.