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I cannot argue as a homosexual person because I am straight. But I think that there are certain things in common between homosexuality and transsexualism. Primarily if one is very religious. For example, that both groups think to lose homosexuality or transsexualism. By prayer, studies of the Bible or/and conversations with clergymen. And both groups notice very fast that all this does not help. And do they wonder so whether they were born perhaps so? Whether God has created them so? And since we are different people, we also arrive at different conclusions; depending on how religious and apprehensive we are.

Do you mean the Metropolitan Community Churches? Curious. Yep! And our Pastor is a straight woman, married and mother of two nice Kids. We plan to make a short movie about Bible and homosexuality. If it is ready it will Show at YouTube.

I'm not a transvestite, I was a transsexual. After my sex Change surgery/Transition, I'm a normal man with a not normal past. There is a difference between a transsexual and a transvestite. Take a look at the Internet.

God does not condemn the homosexuality in the Bible. He condemns inhumanity, lacking sympathy and the avoidance at turning of God to heathen gods. This gets clear if one reads the context.

Leviticus 18: 22 (ABOMINATION): Before looking at all 142 of the KJV uses of the word, a look at the word itself is in order. The fact is that the word ‘abomination’ is at best a bad translation of what is in the Hebraic scriptures. In particular, the particular Biblical term itself to’ba (noun) or ta’ab (verb) is for a transgression that affects a prescribed ritual, not to designate a moral sin. It marks something that is forbidden, often because the religion considers it unclean. In contrast, the English word ‘abomination’ marks something that is repulsive and despicable to an extreme, and it is clearly used for the most detestable of moral sins. A more appropriate (not to mention accurate) translation would be the word ‘taboo,’ a word which in its original Polynesian sense marks something that must not be touched; even the word ‘forbidden’ would be more accurate. Source: http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/UsesOfAbomination.php ------------ Romans 1: 25f (Natural and unnatural): About the word "against nature," "unnatural," etc: The Greek phrase "para physin" is commonly translated into the English as: "unnatural and abnormal" (Amplified Bible) "contrary to nature" (English Standard Version) "against nature" (King James Version, Rheims New Testament) "sin with each other" (Living Bible) "unnatural" (New American Bible, New American Standard Bible, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version) "immoral, unnatural drives" (The Great Book: The New Testament in Plain English) These do not seem to be an accurate translations. They may demonstrate prejudice on the part of the translators. "Unnatural" implies that the act is something that is to be morally condemned. M. Nissinen defines "para physin" as: "Deviating from the ordinary order either in a good or a bad sense, as something that goes beyond the ordinary realm of experience." 3 The word "unconventional" would have been a more precise word for translators to use. The phrase "Para physin" appears elsewhere in the Bible: In 1 Corinthians 11:14, Paul uses the phrase to refer to long hair on men as unusual and not ordinary. In Romans 11:24, Paul used it to describe God's positive actions to bring Jews and Gentiles together. Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc3.htm ------------ 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 (THE MYSTERY OF “MALOKOIS” AND “ARSENOKOITAI”) Arsenokoitai: There is no example of the word arsenokoites before Paul’s two uses of it. Thereafter it occurs no more than 74 times in the intervening millennia, with 56 of these in the six centuries after Paul coined it. Around 35 A.D., the Jewish philosopher Philo (a contemporary of Paul’s) held that arsenokoites referred to shrine prostitution (Philo, The Special Laws, III, VII, 40-42). This is the origin this site suggests for it (see comments on the letters to Timothy and Corinth), though the context suggests that Paul may have been condemning pederasty, group sexual orgies, and/or people who are not innately gay/lesbian/bisexual but who engage in homosexual acts. Philo apparently felt that the word condemned pederasty and incest as well. Source: http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/Arsenokoites.php ------------ Malokoi: Unlike arsenokoites, malakos is a very common word, with lots of uses. Generally speaking it means ‘soft,’ ‘flexible,’ or ‘delicate,’ as in fine (expensive) fabric, gourmet delicacies, gentle breezes. Matthew (11:18) and Luke (7:25) use it. It also refers to morals, where ‘flexible’ is not so good a thing, including dissolute, cowardly, lazy, weak, unstable, easily influenced – all qualities that were seen as feminine. In the culture of the time, women were culturally seen to be pretty, delicate … and worthless, far below the level of men, barely above the level of children and slaves. Source: http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/Malakos.php ------------ Conclusion: I believe the Bible didn't condemn Homosexuality per sè, because in some cases it was pederasts and their catamite, and in other cases it was about shrine Prostitution.

I think that is the dilemma that is being discussed. How do they do that? These surgeries are not reversible. When I was at the Mormons, this was demanded by me. It concerned no-one, that this would have had a third suicide attempt as consequence. This one would be the final suicide, I have tried to live as a woman,. been supposed to this time successfully. I have got married even because of this and became a mother. But nothing had changed despite prayer to this. I was still a man, trapped in a woman body. God has created us so. How hermaphrodites who have physically two sexes have transsexual also two sexes so. A spiritual and a physical sex/gender. And it is all about reconciling both to each other or helping the dominant sex/gender to get his therefore properly. And the dominant sex/gender is the spiritual/mental/psychical sex /gender at transsexual ones!

As a man with a transsexual past I can tell you the following to this: God has created me so. For a certain reason he has created me so. God does not make any mistakes but God has a plan at everything he does. We people do not understand this plan. I also not. I do not know why I was born as a girl although I am a boy. I do not know why I had to go through hell to find myself. God knows it! And God loves me so as I am. The churches and their members are something else. They often understand neither the Bible nor the love of God which is unconditonal. They exclude instead of inviting a man to God.

So, another stupid Cartoon got the market. With a Boy hero who changed to a Girl. What's the Problem? This is reality.

Where does this Roman Catholic cardinal want from to know this? Transsexualism is not mentioned in the Bible. And the quotations in the Bible can be interpreted also differently.

I am a former member of the LDS church. And as such I have much knowledge about the LDS though only from Germany. So many Mormons at that time have supported Hitler and after the 2nd World War some have fled Nazis with the help of American members to the USA. Much of this a member of the SS, everyone Mormons. Some cases of child abuse are, and, also known to me how the church leadership handled with that (the abuser protected, the victim accused/blamed). Within the last few years the LDS tried to tie himself to fundamentalist Christians more narrowly. Proposition 8 and NOM (national organization for marriage) are examples of it. The LDS, however, does not do alone the "dirty work" but they lets do the Christians do that. The LDS is a gang in my eyes from hypocrites and traitors at the Christianity.

I am a member of the MCC. And this church is open to LGBT people. I believe, that it is the best for all Christians to live in celebace. Until they are married.