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Tongues did cease for thousands of years. It got revived about 100 years back. You have no Scripture to indicate that demons hate tongues. I believe many spiritual gifts have continued, and least preferred ones that were local in Corinth have ceased. it has been my personal experience that demons do not like people praying in tongues. Take a close look at something here. "I believe many spiritual gifts have continued and least preferred ones that were local in Corinth have ceased." Think about this for a moment. We have an acknowledgement that tongues are a spiritual gift, meaning they came from God. Why would God give this church a bad gift, or even an inferior gift in the first place, even if the church had faults? In addition to that, even the least of a gift from God is something to treasure. Why would anyone think it has ceased, and why would anyone want it to cease? I am curious to know your personal experience because this debate about inferior gifts is going on for sometime.

Really? Then why does he give very specific rules to the church as to how the gift of tongues is supposed to be both used and not used in chapter 14? Paul does not write anywhere against the use of tongues. All he ever says is that if there is no interpreter present after one or two messages in tongues have been given, no more should be given. He also says the gift of prophesy is more important and perhaps more beneficial than the gift of tongues, but Paul never once says he is against this gift. he encourages it, as well as using the other gifts, everywhere he speaks of them. He says very specifically at the end of chapter 14 to NOT forbid the speaking of tongues. You are contradicting what Paul says. When he said prefer prophesying, it is obvious he relegated this as least preferred and lists them at the end. As a pragmatic and crafty person he did not apply a sudden break on this trait that was a sign for so many unbelievers in the church at that time. He wished that they would disappear as people grew spiritually. That happened and this type of situation diappeared for thousands of years only to be revived about 100 years back. Should we also bring back the worst conditions of Corinth as a part of this phenomena?

No. That is not how it works. I have read and studied the entire New Testament numerous times, including Acts and 1 Corinthians. When I say "show me the scripture," I don't mean point me to a book. I mean show me the specific passages which you are claiming mean what you say they mean. What I meant was that a few verses cannot give a complete picture of the context. It is likely everyone gets a gift or gifts. One may not get anything at all. That should not bother as long as he gives importantance in cultivating the fruit of the Spirit, that is, love. My question is why people are asked to seek speaking in tongue when Paul said prefer prophesying? Is it because it is easier to exhibit in various forms? One thing is sure. Jesus did not speak in tongue. Except Paul all other apostles did not speak in inknown tongue. Paul also did not speak inside a church.

What was happening in the book of Acts 2:39 cannot be compared to Corinth because the verse doesn't include speaking in tongue! Besides Peter never spoke in unknown tongue!(that is tongue that people did not understand what he said with utterances given by the Holy Spirit) If they do that in private without causing disturbance in open, who can touch them? Sorry, it is your assumption. No man can speak angelic language as long as he is mortal man on earth! The trouble is that what people speak in tongue using their spirit, is claimed as that of utterance of the Holy Spirit! The big problem was instead of speaking personally in closed doors, they were making that as a issue of big demonstration of how good they are in strong vocal chords that too with an unknown tongue. I have answered this elsewhere. Already there is an objection that I am repeating over and over again. Anyway, this is not a new question for me! This known and unknown tongue business is very elementary for Pentecostal people. It is simple to explain this. Whenever you hear something that you cannot understand, it becomes an unknown tongue. This differs from what occured during Pentecost. Then they were speaking a known foreign language that some people could understand without an interpreter. Paul objected to disorderly shouting of this unknown tongue in Corinth. Do we have to go back to OT times to work through the letters of the Bible? As I mentioned earlier, can I show in the Bible that the temple has been destroyed for good? What if people refuse to believe the destruction and insist that it is very much there!

Tongues did cease for thousands of years. It got revived about 100 years back. You have no Scripture to indicate that demons hate tongues. I believe many spiritual gifts have continued, and least preferred ones that were local in Corinth have ceased. it has been my personal experience that demons do not like people praying in tongues. I have been pressed to prove by Scripture all that I say here. I think, you need to consider the same despite your experience. Nevertheless, since I have an open mind, I would like to hear about your personal experience.

Perhaps you could show biblical evidence of this? Please read prayerfully the entire book of Acts and 1 Corinthians chapeters 12 to 14. Also please tell me where in the Bible the same gifts are going to be given everywhere? None of the gifts are given to everyone, if that is what you mean. Yet, because you do not speak in tongues, you stand against the gift. Do you also stand against the other gifts that the Holy Spirit has not given you? What gifts has He given you? That is not what I mean. I believe spiritual gifts are more than what has been listed by Paul. In that I have experienced all the seven gifts in varied degrees. I will never seek the last two as many Pentecostal do since Paul himself doesn't recommend. When the seventh ceases, automatically the last one disappears. We cannot think of one gift dependent on another!

But you see Paul has mentioned gifts in three of his epistles in which some gifts were repeatedly mentioned ignoring notably speaking in tongue followed by interpretation. Why is that? In fact even in Corinthians, he wants that to be not preferred. So you agree all interpretations are not correct. So who is giving this incorrect interpretation? Let us be serious in dealing with things that are spiritual. Are you saying you condone imperfection when it comes to understanding God? It is giving room to deviation from the truth? Yes, Paul is referring to personal prayer in his spirit. That is personal, not to be expressed loudly--there may not be any need for it. But you admit multiple interpretations: some may be true and some untrue. Do you think a church should condone utterances of falsehood?

Please notice the main difference between the OT and the NT. The Law was given in writing by God to Moses and subsequently he added additional parts. Practically, Judaism starts from there. But in case of the NT the truth was made known in Spirit. Books were added later. Therefore, Scriputure has to be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit who was sent specifically for this purpose. I doubt whether we are right in considering copies of records that have been translated depending on the bias and prejudices of the people doing that as authoratative per se.

Yes, let us get back to the beginning of speaking in tongues. It first happened on Pentecost with tongues as a ball of fire descending on heads as a sign of the power of the Holy Spirit to unbelieving and wicked generation that looked for signs. This ball of fire on heads disappeared forever. Then during the period of the establishement of new Churches recorded in the book of Acts, speaking in tongue continued because of continued presence of large number of unbelievers. This is considered as speaking in a existing foreign tongue(known) unknown to the speaker but understood by a few present there; hence, requiring no interpreation. A marvel of God. In one case they subequently prophysied--a great gift. What was happening in Corinth in the absence of Paul( It was not observed when Paul was there with baptisms going on) was people praying loudly to God simultaneously (a typical situation in many Pentecostal based churches) causing nuisance. (This goes against the preaching of Jesus when it comes to praying to God personally Matthew 6:5-7) Do we need prompting by the Holy Spirit for our personal prayers? Paul clearly says he prays in his spirit. There is no involvement of the Holy Spirit here as claimed by tongue speaking people now. Absolutely there can be no objection to praying personally inside a room with groanings, with unknown tongues, rolling over the floor and what not? That was what Paul was doing. He did not pray in his spirit in an unknown tongue that required interpretaton inside a church. Paul also says that it would be preferable that the same person who speaks in tongue to interpret that. Where is a need to speak in tongue by a person followed by his interpretation. It is better to speak directly instead of wasting his time with the former way of tongue. Therefore, this interpretation was available only in Corinth as recorded. No where else in the Bible or in Churches it is mentioned. So with the death this worst Corinthian type of church that caused lots of heartaches to Paul (Based on history, not on the Bible) this interpretation part also ceased. These two types, namely, known and unknown tongues are well known in Pentecostal circles. I have discussed this matter for years with such people and continue to do so in Forums meant exclusively for them. Be blessed.

************ I need to begin here by stating that I think we are closer to agreement on this than is obvious. St. Paul never wrote that speaking in tongues would cease. He did write a lot about moderation in this and other things as well. Scripture and history agree that speaking in tongues has continued. That being said I feel a need to inject my own observations and opinions at this point. I've attended a lot of Pentacostal services as well as main line denominational services where speaking in tongues was in evidence (specifically Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Methodist and Episcopalian). It's there. It happens and it is of God. I know this because it generally creates an excitement about Jesus Christ that is not evident through more sedentary and standard methods of worship. I've seen people's eyes light up when talking about Jesus - people who never got excited about Christ before. I've also seen a lot of abuse and that's where my personal objections enter the discussion. St. Paul wrote about moderation. He also wrote exact directions on how speaking in tongues ought to be implemented in a worship service. Most of his directions have been ignored by the bulk of those who practice it. Most. Not all. When it's ignored or when it becomes immoderate I usually leave the group. It is unseemly. Let me reiterate that I have personally experienced the gift of the Holy Spirit in the form of speaking in tongues. But I don't go around babbling like a drunk - even in church. It should be noted, however, that this is exactly how speaking in tongues was perceived in the book of Acts. Observers thought the participants were totally off their rocker - drunk in the spirit. And so they were. And so they are. The problem today is not that the Holy Spirit is not graciously continuing this gift.... It is continuing. It's that the experience is being abused. In most cases the utterance isn't of God at all. Neither is it of the devil. It's a human expression of spiritual one-upmanship. Pure spiritual pride. So and so is more spiritual than somebody else. I've been to a LOT of churches that babble on Sunday morning (and Sunday night and Wednesday night, etc.) The human/fake version of speaking in tongues always starts with the word 'SHUNDA'. Shunda shunda shunda followed by blah blah blah. (This is not a reference to the Afro-American singer of the same name. - just in case you Google it) Listen carefully next time you sit in one of these services. It's a good bet you'll hear someone (and it's usually the same person every time)start the whole thing with SHUNDA. It's so stupid that even Mr. Ed the famous talking horse won't say it, but you'll hear it in a fake session of tongues. It's a way to show off. I'm more spiritual than you are because I speak Shunda. St. Paul writes that when someone speaks in tongues someone else must speak the interpretation. Again it's usually the same person doing that part - if it's done at all and a lot of times it isn't. I call this talking magpie team Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee. It's always the same pair and they always do a floor show on Sunday morning. Now there's nothing wrong with a little insanity on Sunday morning. Here in the south the ladies like their men religious and a little mad. And so it goes. Somewhere in isolated pockets of Christian fellowship the Holy Spirit responds to true worship and sometimes still grants the gift of speaking in tongues. When it happens for real it's really quite awesome. I've even heard singing in tongues. The singing was almost as cool as hearing Silent Night sung in Arabic during a Christian service on the island of Bahrain on a Christmas eve with a Christmas tree from Lebanon decorated with REAL candles in the front of the church. (The candles were a little freaky I kid you not. I was wishing I'd sat closer to the door that night.) Yes, dear reader, like precious pure gold that isn't seen much any more the gift of the Holy Spirit known as speaking in tongues does indeed continue to this day. It's just real hard to find the real thing. That's my opinion for what it's worth and I think I've been around the block enough times to know. and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft... Thanks for sharing!

Tongues did cease for thousands of years. It got revived about 100 years back. You have no Scripture to indicate that demons hate tongues. I believe many spiritual gifts have continued, and least preferred ones that were local in Corinth have ceased.

I doubt your wishful thinking that is totally against the supreme sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Where in the Scripture you find this interpretation is going to be given to all churches in future? Is it recorded in other churches during Paul's period? Much of what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians from chapter 12 onwards was against the use of this speaking in unknown tongue finally indicating that the fruit of the Spirit 'love' should be cultivated.

So this is what you are saying underlined. Where is this in Scripture in red? So this underlined is what you believe and what you've not observed personally. Where is this in Scripture in red? God is the God of order I agree. Yet underlined what we prefer has little to do with or effect on what God allows or enjoys? By the way, it is not the Corinthian tongue Mark is recording. It is known new tongue. Underlined this is your interpretation of the passage. Again your beliefs brother. This is what I heard from another person who attended a church inside a building. Here underlined you admit that you have second hand experience from what others have witnessed. My thrust of the topic is that the speaking in unknown tongue requiring interpretation has ceased. I believe in all other gifts of the Spirit listed by Paul. What is more, there are gifts available that are not specifically listed. Speaking in known language may have continued though I have not witnessed that! Again underlined you're thrusting your opinion on the topic and IMO claiming it as Biblical truth. Where does the Bible say this in red? Again, what does our belief have to do with what God does? God will do as He chooses. And what is more you are speaking on issues you again have not witnessed again in orange. Just because you have not witnessed something doesn't mean it doesn't exist brother. Again underlined you're thrusting your opinion on the topic and IMO claiming it as Biblical truth. Where does the Bible say this in red? Please tell me where in the Bible it is mentioned that what was observed in worst Corinthian church will be observed elsewhere also. Where else it is recorded in Scripture?

Perhaps you could show biblical evidence of this? Please read prayerfully the entire book of Acts and 1 Corinthians chapeters 12 to 14. Also please tell me where in the Bible the same gifts are going to be given everywhere?

Perhaps. Or perhaps your not understanding what OneLight is trying to communicate? You mention "greater gifts." I assume you're referencing this passage. Is this advice or a command? Does this nullify those that are considered "lesser gifts" then? Thanks for recognizing that Paul wrote some as advice and some as commands. Peter clearly says that Paul wrote according to the wisdom given to him. It is God who will decide on the spiritual gifts depending on the context, people and time. How can we be sure that the gift of interpretation followed by speaking that was observed in Corinth in the absence of Paul was meant universally? Why it had ceased for centuries? Where is the need to acqire that forcibly by praying for that many times accompanied by music to stir up emotions? I believe that what was noticed in Corinth were extra growth of a body that had no relevance to the useful organs of a body. That is why Paul switches over to the fruit of the Spirit love from spiritual gifts. I believe we have the further proof that they were unwanted extra growths in not being mentioned elsewhere in Bible and not observed anywhere else.

Everything cannot be provided through Scripture that is limited.(John 21:25) Many were lost and destroyed before Canon was decided. For that main reason Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to discern the truth even though Scripture existed at that time. Finally I found an answer here in red. I guess I missed this with all the posts on this thread. For clarifiction John 21:25 in context is in regards to what other things JESUS did. It has nothing to do with missing instructions on uknown languages. It has nothing to do with missing instructions in Scripture either in purple. As to the attack on the Bible in purple that it is incomplete are you saying that God isn't powerful enough to protect Scripture - The Bible? John 21:25 25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. There is nothing Jesus could give instruction on something that He did not practice. We would be in trouble if we followed Paul instead of Jesus Christ. That is the crux of the problem. Earlier people were trying to follow Paul, Apollos, Peter, John, etc. The canonised Bible ends with Revelation. It does not mean nothing has affected in our growing knowledge in the Savior. How come the original texts have disappeared? Sure, that is why I am participating here. I participate in other Forums too for this purpose. I do not know. It is my responsibility to share--result left to God! Be blessed.

Where does the Bible say this in red? It is happening because those who participate in this thread, I think, will not look through my replies pertaining to the same question to others and continue to ask them. Therefore, I have no option but to repeat the same answers for theirs sake. My OP indicates that. ------------------ So this underlined is what you believe and what you've not observed personally. With all that fake behavior and claims, I have reasonably given a benefit of doubt on that latter aspect. ------------------ God is the God of order I agree. Yet underlined what we prefer has little to do with or effect on what God allows or enjoys? Then it becomes obvioius that God does not like exhibition of base instincts of strange sounds and abnormal physical activities. ------------------ By the way, it is not the Corinthian tongue Mark is recording. It is known new tongue. Underlined this is your interpretation of the passage. Again your beliefs brother. Subtle and profound differences can be made out when we know that the word of God takes us to a higher level of spiritual realm by keeping us looking up. Paul clearly admits that in Corinth it was his sprit that was praying when his mind was fruitless! ------------------ Here underlined you admit that you have second hand experience from what others have witnessed. In that case, who from Corinth can explain what was happening? We have variations in the four books of the Gospel. It is important to grasp the essence which is possible only when we are led by the Holy Spirit when the mind is fruitful. ------------------ Again underlined you're thrusting your opinion on the topic and IMO claiming it as Biblical truth. What happened in Corinth has been recorded. The episltes do not guarantee or stress it will happen again in the same fashion. Are we Corinthians with their culture and understanding? ------------------ Again, what does our belief have to do with what God does? God will do as He chooses. And what is more you are speaking on issues you again have not witnessed again in orange. Just because you have not witnessed something doesn't mean it doesn't exist brother. On the same line God may not choose Corinthian conditions for us.

I'd like to respond specifically what you're saying here in red. Sure, for the Gentile the ceremonial laws, festivals, sabbaths, etc are not necessary. In Christ we Gentiles are free to worship as God leads us. Messianic Jews (Completed Jews or those Jews who follow Jesus Christ) are permitted to continue in what ceremonial laws, sabbaths, festivals, and culture to which they were born into. This is addressed in 1 Cor. 7:17-24... Each person is to remain with God in the state in which he or she was first called. You are right when it comes to their cermonial laws, festivals, etc. But building a temple to start animal sacrifices all over again amounts to no transformation in their lives after believing Jesus Christ. Can they really become born again believers then? Be blessed.

Have you heard of cynical saying that the last Christian died on the cross implying that many Christians now are just nominal or hypocrites!

Christian communion was instituted by Paul to solve the problem in Corinth with his religious background. Jesus never said it should be done as a ritual in remembrance of Him. The two witnesses of the Last Supper, namely, Matthew and John do not record that it should be done as a remembrance. Mark who got much information from Peter who was also present for writing his Gospel do not mention the word remembrance. Luke's Gospel also do not contain this order in its earlier old manuscripts.

In effect Jesus is saying that He is proclaiming the kingdom of God that He knows and seen before coming down to earth in flesh, but the Jews cannot understand that and, therefore, reject Him.

One way of knowing that Paul's letters are genuine Scripture is the way people attack them. No one attacks the other "epistles" outside the cannon. They only seek to discredit the sixy-six books of the Bible. Satan hates the word of God and there is an attempt to discredit it inlcuding the writings of Paul. That people are set about to question, invalidate or reject Paul's letters only serves to confirm that they are God's word to mankind. Say what you want, but your challenge to Paul's letters only proves they are part of the inspired, immutable and inafallible word of God. No original manuscripts are available both in the OT as well as in the NT. Therefore, the question of genuiness will not arise. I am not speaking of apocryphal books when I indicated other letters. I am speaking canonised epistles, such as, Peter, James, John et al. Different doctrines, hundreds of denominations and divisions have arisen out of Paul's epistles taking out verses here and there. That is a clear indication that Satan is having a field day with them. That is Babel scenario. God will is to unite, not to divide.

I am speaking of misleading interpretation on Scripture. Yes, one can grieve Him, not make Him groan! I have found no place in scripture where it said people made the Holy Spirit groan. In fact, it says the Holy Spirit Himself did the groaning, so your premise is derived from an error you are making and your argument is based on this error. I am not disclaiming the speaking of known tongue moved by the Holy Spirit that does not require an interpreter. What was happening is Corinth was speaking of unknown tongue moved by person's spirit. The fact is, scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit gives gifts according to His will. If He gives a gift of tongues, be it a known or unknown tongue, it is His will to do so. When ones operated in the gift of prophecy, are they doing this with their own spirit of are they guided by God? What about the gift of healing? Does that come from the person or from God. You cannot separate on gift from the others and claim it is different. People are moved by the Spirit to operate within a gift. Right. But the person is using that with the help of his spirit, not the Holy Spirit who has no part to play once the gift is given for common good. That is incorrect. See my questions above ... where do the operations within the gift come from. Does the spirit of man have the ability to heal, prophesy, perform miracles, or use the gift of knowledge? Read the passage below. Scripture does not separate any of the gifts as these are from God and these are from man. That is the error you are walking in. 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. The italics and underlining are mine to point you to the truth in scripture. What I mean is that it may be translation problems. Why should the Holy Spirit, knower of all languages, groan? Is He short of words? Please remember Paul's writings have been distorted by many right from his time. Will not that degrade the Holy Spirit by such an understanding when it is not supported anywhere else in the Bible? Gifts are given for common good. It will have direct effect on receiver by the giver. In case of unknown tongue so such direct result takes place. An interpreter is brought in. No where God works on an agent's agent. He deals directly through one person chosen for that purpose. All prophecies need to be verified. What kind of check is made in case of interpretaton? Any word of God cannot go as a waste, but it happens when there is no interpretation. That contradicts the ways of God. You are belittling in that case the advice of Paul to seek greater gifts.

Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require that there will be a 3rd Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22). Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being defiled. But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9). At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15). It's unclear why the Israeli government would fund groups advocating a 3rd temple, unless it's because those groups also advocate settlements. For one reason that the 3rd temple hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government is protecting the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest buildings in Islam, right after those in Mecca and Medina), knowing that if the ultra-Orthodox Jews were to destroy these buildings in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely. While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe that the 3rd temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic state of Israel. Something that could bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to this point would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in Samaria and Judaea (also called the West Bank), and in East Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea, and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could suddenly mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they're allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers, they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem, and go up onto the Temple Mount and destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (or simply clear way their rubble, if they've already been destroyed by great earthquakes by that time). Besides getting squeezed out of their settlements, something else that could tip the scales toward this happening would be the rising up of a false, miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like: "God says that now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount? Let us rise up, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!" Something else that could help tip the scales regarding the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark because the government is afraid that the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see the discovery of the Ark as (in their words) "an unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret. Yes and no, just as the same answer would apply to the question of will it not mock at the church as being the temple of God. For while the church as a whole is a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexists with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21) and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17). For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6) because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28). No matter what, it is not the concern of a Christian believer to support directly or indirectly, passively or actively, in silence or in shouting any deeds related to building the temple again!

This is another proof to indicate the speaking in unknown tongue in Corinth involved person's spirit, not directly involved with the Holy Spirit. The direct involvement of the HS was in the book of Acts.