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Judge not, lest ye be judged i am not judging anyone i am merely stating a fact. "christians will out of their zeal always find something to condemn" Zeal is a matter of the heart. How can you know what is in a heart? always? How can you prove "always" from your non-always experience? Judge not, lest ye be judged. we cannot always know what is in the heart but mathew 15:18 is a good way to start. but the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart. i get the sense you dont like me too much because of the way you took my words and made whatever that was. it could be because i am not to bright but it didnt make to much sense to me. also please show me how i was judging? because i henstly didnt mean to if i did its just things i have seen many times

Taken in judgment. Those who are left enter the Millennial Kingdom. In the Olivet Discourse & in Mat 24, there is no Church & no Rapture. what? taken into judgement? where on earth does it say that?

Judge not, lest ye be judged i am not judging anyone i am merely stating a fact.

Izzel you say you know 100% its not from God yet how can you prove this and more over how are you so sure? because it sounds much more of your own opinion and logic than a fact none of the scripture you posted proved squat and wasnt even relavant to the dream itself and then you say the rapture is a lie even though Jesus even clearly spoke of it? do you recal this teaching? mathew 24:39-41 two men will be in the field one will be taken and the other left. two woman will be grinding with a hand mill one will be taken the other left. do you know why one was taken and the other left? ones heart was right with god the other wasnt. that scripture alone proves the rapture but jesus coninues on with it but you need to read it for yourself

idk... i think the person was over reacting. i know from experience that christians will out of their zeal always find something to condemn about a lot of things. trust me even if this movie was scriptural word for word ppl would find a way to say it evil or wrong or the creators are or the actors or just because holly wood made it.

still cant get over that picture[wipping tear from eyes]

yes i think God is certainly opening you into the spiritual realm. however many ppl even believers get kind of touchy when you talk about such things. the issue with believers or some at least is if they have never seen or experienced things they will discredit it or say its not of God. or their minds could just be to closed minded. i had a thought when i saw the sword you posted. perhaps you should research what that specific sword symbolizes. when a sword is made its looks are not just for show there is meaning behind the way it was made. another thing i thought may or may not help but a sword symbolizes strength truth and honor and is fit for a warrior. perhaps one of the reasons you saw it was God telling you who you are

But is this the Father, Angels or Jesus himself communicating to us through dreams and visions. is this from a personal experience or curiousity? I guess from the rapture dream I had. I am 100% certain this came from God, but who put it in my head...the Father or Jesus? I guess both since they are both one. i kind of figured. btw have you figured out what to do with it? if i may i know something you could do with it,its something the lord tells me often- look to the sky.

so in my walk i have encountered a rather disturbing issue. some people read a book in the Ot such as say Ezekiel and ask how can a God of such wrath anger and judgement be a God of love? knowing who God is and having that intimate relationship with him is very inportan before you read scripture like that or else it will hinder you knowing who God really is. i can read things like that and not be fazed because i know who he is and that in the deepest part of his heart he is love there are however ppl out there who get a certain high from this God of wrath. you will know them because they will be the ones yelling at you preaching only of Gods wrath and judgement pointing the finger on you because you are a sinner and condemn you saying God will pour his wrath on you until you stop sinning taking themselves out of the equation of course. they can get ppl to repent but only out of terror and thus they will never truly know who God is and thier faith is a constant fear and self condemnation. this is the God these teachers worship and love to use it to their full advantage and make large ministries millions of followers and dollars all the while never knowing the God they worship is the one they will meet. God does not take kindly of ppl who love to strike fear in others claiming to speak for him

But is this the Father, Angels or Jesus himself communicating to us through dreams and visions. is this from a personal experience or curiousity?

well if you look in the old tesament God gave dreams and visions quite a lot. nowadays discenment is needed because the devil can give dreams to using half truth half lies. but i never heard of satan giving visions. personally i think when from God the father gives them. O f course Jesus might but only if the father says to angels however do not they are just messangers

the law and the sabbath were given for a reason even though many suggest jesus did away the law and the sabbath not understandin what the law and the sabbath was about. true the law shows us our sins and how in desperate need we are of grace but is that really such a bad thing? if we are not able to look inside ourselves and desire a change how will god be able to humble us and make us like him? as for the sabbath i do not really have a full understandin of it so i cannot debate a whole lot about it but honestly why not relax and do good on the seventh day? you know just get away from earthly matters and worries at least once a day.

so as requested i am making known a time i was taken to the spiritual realm. i was a brand new christian maybe 3-4 months and was begging god for more faith. that night i was taken into the spiritual realm for the first time. i was in a white room with a man on stage calling the word of god false and blaspheming. in that room was four rows of ppl with chairs and a desk i had my own seat i was in the last row at the very left seat. there was something very different about these ppl they werent angels but didnt seem like humans either i only knew them as holy ppl with their bible in front of them they flipped through it at super speed without even touching it to find exact scripture to prove this man wrong and i cried out in amazement wow! these ppl are full of the holy spirit! then from a door death himself came and i was to go with him i went with him because i was ready to accept death to go to heaven i was not afraid to die. we went into an elevator with two young men part 2 the test: after we came out of the elevator we arrive in a very dark place and death went to his desk i for some reason thought it was a type of hell. i went up to death and asked him when can i go to heaven he answered you cant you have to stay here for eternity, his voice was cold with no emotion. i looked at one of the young men and he had lost all hope sitting with his head down i saw his misery coming out of him as black smoke and little demons were feeding off this smoke. i looked at the other youn man who had turned very old and looked very skinny and weak. i then thought to my self i thought for sure i was on the right path[my faith] and then said to myself no this had to be a test so i said to death i think this is a test-he stopped what he was doing and looked at me as if i had said something right and said what kind of test do you think this is? i replied i think its a test of my faith- of my love for god. then regardless if i was to be there for eternty or not -over come by zeal i slammed my hand on the desk and yelled i choose to trust in jesus christ! and suddenly i was taken from there. part 3: i then was on a high ledge in what seemed like a temple below me was a giant pool of living water. someone began singing its time to take a leap of faith so i close my eyes and jumped in. when i came to the surface of the water i was naked and i looked to my left and further past my pool were many other pools of living water but no one was in them.

first they werent throwing rocks at jesus but a man and no i have never been in an occult. as for the other times i was taken into the spiritual i can tell you two right now but the third will require me to make a thread about because of how long it is. i have met god the father twice we always meet in a pure white place there is a name for it but i cant remeber what its called but time and space do not exist there i was there for mere minutes yet i had a twelve hour sleep i dint even have any dreams. the first was before i was a believer god took me to that white place and i was on his right in front of us he said was his plan and it looked like a river of colors far more vivid and colorful than those that can exist on earth. so much so i was bawling saying over and over ty for showing me this. the second time we met in the same place i had been drinking so much coffee in the day that it was damaging my body so when we met he told me i need to stop drinking coffe and i said but lord i need it to wake up in the morning and he said in a loud voice then just drink it in the morning. btw if this event of hell was of fear why did i get to meet jesus and why was i not afraid and trusted god both when i was falling into the fire and when the demon consumed me? You experienced these things. I didn't, and I misunderstood you, because I thought you said people were throwing rocks at Jesus. I am not sure what to make of it to be honest with you, but I would be interested in your other time in the spiritual realm. God can do anything he wants, even show you heaven and hell, so I am not ready to discount what you said. Most people haven't encountered anything like you describe, so I am trying to understand it. What do you think was the purpose of the experiences? Did you learn things that have greatly impacted your life for the good? Were there lessons you learned that have helped you minister to others? Why do you think God chose to meet with you that way? Have a great day, and I will try to check back this evening. well you see i had been praying to meet jesus and to hear his laughter for a long time both my prayers were answered there and i believe God allowed me to see hell so i warn ppl of whats in store if they dont repent and seek jesus. i did learn a lesson from him giving me the bread but refusing to accept it when i tried to give him it. i believe he willingly made it where he would have physical needs such as hunger to prove he is willing to suffer for our sake i dont expect a lot of ppl to believe me or understand as going into the spiritual realm does not happen to everyone what i like about the spiritual realm is your mind is clear from any logical or human thinking so when you are tested you think act and react according to your heart

first they werent throwing rocks at jesus but a man and no i have never been in an occult. as for the other times i was taken into the spiritual i can tell you two right now but the third will require me to make a thread about because of how long it is. i have met god the father twice we always meet in a pure white place there is a name for it but i cant remeber what its called but time and space do not exist there i was there for mere minutes yet i had a twelve hour sleep i dint even have any dreams. the first was before i was a believer god took me to that white place and i was on his right in front of us he said was his plan and it looked like a river of colors far more vivid and colorful than those that can exist on earth. so much so i was bawling saying over and over ty for showing me this. the second time we met in the same place i had been drinking so much coffee in the day that it was damaging my body so when we met he told me i need to stop drinking coffe and i said but lord i need it to wake up in the morning and he said in a loud voice then just drink it in the morning. btw if this event of hell was of fear why did i get to meet jesus and why was i not afraid and trusted god both when i was falling into the fire and when the demon consumed me?

so you dont think these demons out of anger would torture ppl there?

i never said they did i said a major event israel happens the rapture is going to happen suddenly and out of nowhere. ugh... but we still have date setters.....

it wasnt a dream i was literally taken into the spiritual realm i dont understand it all either but i mean hey i got to meet jesus:]

i had a similar experence except i was awake. see i have always wanted to spend a day with Jesus i had it all planned out we would walk on the beach we would eat and drink foods and flavors that dont exist on earth we would talk and laugh and i would sit at his feet while he teaches me things no preacher or teacher on earth could. i sat down in fron of my bed asking the lord if i can really have this when suddenly an angel appeared and said yes you can! and i was suddenly ascending. i didnt know about the rapture so i had no idea what this was but all i knew was i was going to jesus. like you the feeling was amazing i have never felt anything like it. to this day i have no idea what that feeling is or what its called In my experience, I had actually started rising towards the ceiling, and the only way I can describe it was there was this amazing joy, peace, anticipation, excitement...it is just impossible to describe, but I will never forget it. Perhaps euphoric is the right word? What happened after you began your flight to see Jesus? Did you actually get to listen to him teach? How long were you there? thats just the thing i wasnt being taken there at that time i was being shown i would have this with him from the rapture however i did later get to meet jesus i posted the story in my new thread my test in hell

so i felt i should share this. you see sometimes almost rarely in my sleep i am taken into the spiritual realm. in there you dont think with logic you speak and react with your heart. i was in a white place i saw someone go into a door and knew i was to follow. i went in and i was in hell it was more real and vivid than real life and the heat and humidity was horrible and my sweat made my shirt stick to me. i saw the lake of fire and above it was a cage with a chain full of ppl at a random time they would be dropped in the lake i saw ppl who were on ground but the ground itself inflicted pain i saw ruins were ppl lived but would randomly be attacked by demons and above the area was a balcony in front of ruins was Jesus in a chair waiting for me i got in his lap i was thirsty beyond reason but for some reason i felt asking for water would be to burdensom so iasked him for some he reached under his chair and out of nowhere pulled out bread he gave it to me but i could tell he was very and said you shouldnt have to suffer and tried to give it back but he refused and i didnt dare question him. i then looked in the ruins and there was a man there ppl from the balcony threw rocks at him laughing and mocking and he just sat there and took it his face looked as if he had fully accepted his fate as if he deserved it. then in the ruins a demon came out and he looked just like the alien from alien vs preditar the demon saw me and came after me and i was scared and held on to jesus with my eyes closed he held me very tightly it almost hurt the demon went away. i looked at jesus and said very seriously i have to be just like you he just stared at me for a minute so i smiled cause i thought maybe he thought i was mad and he just laughed but then a person fell in the lake that wasnt supposed to and he went to save them i was somehow taken into the cage above the lake and started to fall into the fire i wasnt afraid i said to myself i trust in the lord and called to jesus right before i went into the fire next thing i know jesus and i are out of hell just walking and i asked jesus if the cage was a test of my faith and he nodded yes the we see three men and i and saying excitedly look look! its jesus¡ the said ya right and jesus with arms open wide said brothers! have you lost your faith? then they turned into a demon grabbed me and we became something called an unholy trinity i was the spirit part even as i was consumed i trusted jesus i said to myself god would not have created me to be consumed by a demon jesus looked angry and said angrily let him go but the demon flew away with me yet i still trusted god

i am deeply impressed:D such a wonderful idea and topic and the knowledge you have of faith is simply amazing:]

It's not selfish at all to want to be with the Lord! The only problem is if your desire to be with Him is a cover for a desire to end your life that comes from depression. (I'm not suggesting you have this problem; but I know of people - myself included - who struggle with this.) Whatever the case, the fact that you are here means that He wants you here for some purpose. So the best you can do is learn to find Him in the here and now. I hope that doesn't sound trite, but I have been finding that it is the most true. Blessings on your journey in Him! no its not depression just a very deep longing and love for him.

You've disqualified yourself from any science discussion in your first 5 words... No he hasn't. And you are not qualified to say who is or is not qualifed to participate in a discussion of science. YOU do NOT set the terms for the conversation. So get over yourself. Where would science be if everyone who practiced it was allowed to let their personal beliefs influence their observations? Leave your beliefs at the door when you are observing nature. There is not room for them in the lab. It appears you operate from the naive notion that scientists are purely rational automotons. There are a lot of things in science that are rooted in belief, not scientific experimentation. The Big Bang is rooted in belief/faith. It has never been proven or observed. Yet, it is treated as "fact." Same with Evolution. There a lot of things scientists claim that are based on personal belief IF people are willing to be honest about that fact. Scientists are human beings with strongly and passionately held beliefs and they have an emotional attachment to those beliefs. It's why they resort to blackballing and ridiculing anyone who has the courage to challenge them. Academic pride is a powerful emotion. You do not understand the difference between hypothesis and belief. That is a science fundamental with which you should aquaint yourself. I understand fully the difference between belief and hypothesis. And both are in play in the scientific community. It is naivete to think otherwise. I am not so naive as to think that scientists are not human, and are not capable of injecting their person into their science. Science, however, is self-correcting unless you inject something like religion. Religion can make people fly planes into buildings, so causing them to cover their ears and close their eyes to science is nothing. i would like to point out that religion and being a christian are not the same thing. jesus proved that by showing ppl what the religious pharasees did and how to follow him it require a loving relationship with god

here is what i think will happen. netanyuha will be stubborn against obama and obama will likely extend the date a month or two. why set a date like that if you never acomplish the task and then say oh well ill just extend the date for the sake of peace.

======================================================== Hey fire-heart, Give your friend this....... See what he has to say. Also, "things" atoms or anything else do not exist without a cause. In the case of the Universe.... "If I say “X creates X,” I presuppose the existence of X in order to account for the existence of X. To presuppose the existence of the universe to account for its existence is logically incoherent." Dr. John Lennox (Professor in Mathematics at Oxford University) exactly nothing can exist with a cause so accoring to the big bang theory it was just vast nothingness but somehow two atoms or whatever they were did exist and exploded to create our vast universe. two issues i see with that- first obviously the atom had to have been created by something or someone second i dont think those two alone can create a explossion with a force strong enough to create billions and billions of galaxys. the big bang theory is supposed to discredit god but i think it only proves his existance You said, "exactly nothing can exist with a cause" Was that a typo? why do you think it was a typo? anything physical in this world or universe cannot exist without cause or creation.