whitetiger

10 hours ago, Sparks said:

The approved version is called Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee

That is Pfizer

On 8/23/2021 at 9:13 AM, WorthyBot said:

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Lets hope mandates are the next step, but I think politicians are to cowardly. More likely it will be local like my college is mandating vaccines which is good

I sure hope the become required for all. The SCOTUS have ruled that vaccine mandates are okay much earlier than any of us alive so vaccine mandates have precedent

On 6/22/2020 at 12:16 PM, BeauJangles said:

Upping the font is considered shouting. I'd like to read some of these because they could be quality. Unfortunately for me they are a strain on my eyesight. I've got dyslexia and possible macular degeneration. It's too difficult for me to read them. 

I am sorry I will disagree. I am more than happy to make my font bigger and that has never been rude. Maybe I'm a dinosaur but I come from when the Internet started and I do know what is considered rude. Go with God

On 6/21/2020 at 10:31 AM, Sower said:

As do I by using bold, to point out or emphasize a phrase, lest it be missed.
Doing so would/should not bring attention to myself, but what's been pointed out, instead.
I typically just skip a post that is  ALL in CAPPED LETTERS.

Exactly. Typing in all caps is quite rude

47 minutes ago, LonerAndy said:

Yeah, I don't understand this view that Christians should just sit by and allow evil, because we are not allowed to support justice.  Where is this crazy idea in the Bible?

Yep. We sat by to much and allowed evil and now we are paying the price. Christians have let society down by not standing against evil

5 hours ago, Mantis said:

Of course they should!? These are not evil establishments nor careers. Good Lord. The world is upside down.

Exactly! In my Church most of the Bishops and Priest are former military and retired police officers including my Priest

I did that because of a debate here in the forums. I am neither Catholic nor Protestant as a Charismatic Episcopalian, so someone said I should come up with some of my beliefs and hence my sig line

21 minutes ago, woundeddog said:

SO, HOW DOES A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WILL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE???

 

That is actually a question for another thread so as to not get this thread off topic

They say the coup is the good guys and the turkey Pres is trying to make Turkey an authoritarian Islamic nation.

From my perspective one can not be a good Dem and a Christian. Den values are completely and diametrically opposed to Christianity, period and good day sir!

Sure...

Sadly, The shadow doesn't know on this one.

5 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

This may be a shock to your system, but most Demacrats are no different than most Republicans.  They just want to make an honest living and what is best for our country.  They just don't agree on the finer details of how to make that happen.

Okayyy.....

I am Charismatic Episcopal Church. We are a 3 streams church  http://www.iccec.org/

27 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Life is full of choices. Is there such thing as a "Liberal" born again Christian? I do not think there is. Many in our world call themselves a Christian. That does not mean that they are.

It could be very hard if not impossible. With the love of abortion and hatred of America that the modern democratic party holds

73 dead and 100 injured.

 

 

 

First, no it's not worship and it is Bibical to pray to the Saints (Heb 12:1), if it is then you need to stop praying to others to pray for you. 

 

Heb 12:1 does not mention praying to dead people or people in heaven. 

 

Hebrews 12 

1 Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets us , and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

 

 

When I ask people to pray for me, I do not light a candle, I do not kneel before a statue of them. I do not bow my head and say oh blessed person hear my prayer. I do not pray to people to ask them to pray for me. Praying to saints as you do or as catholics do is idolatry.

 

You have no idea how I ask the Saints for pray, so do not pretend to know. When you make a request of someone you are praying to them

4.

to make earnest petition to (a person).

5.

to make petition or entreaty for; crave

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pray

So yes you are praying to someone when you make a request. Christians do not die we go to our reward, we are still alive and form a great cloud of witnesses.

So because someone does not believe as you they have sold out to the world? really?

 

 

 

I hold to the 66 books of the canon being the Word of God, but I do have a question.  Why do you Whitetiger believe there are 72 inspired books?  If you are speaking of the Apocrypha, there were 14 books in the original Apocrypha.  Why do you only consider 6 of them scripture?  Why not 80?  I am also wondering what you mean by the Bible being "words from God?"  Do you believe every jot and tittle are "words from God," or do you only believe part of the Bible is actual "words from God?"  Do you believe the Bible is inerrant? 

 

 

He is holding the Catholic position.  However, this particular opinion he expresses is not one I have heard before.

 

There are sects within the Catholic church as you prob know, so who knows exactly what he refers to unless he enlightens us.  

 

 

It's pretty plain looking at my signature that I am not Catholic. Why do you assume just Catholics believe that way? There are Orthodox too which I could be said to be closer to. Here is my new testimony from another thread.

 

 I am not a Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox; I do not hold standard protestant beliefs, more accurately modern evangelical beliefs like Dispensationalism, any type of rapture that modern evangelicals believe in, I believe that Revelations is not a future book but a book that is full of symbolism of hope for the early Christians. You could call me a partial Preterist though I might deviate from that a bit. I do not believe in Sola Scriptura I believe in Scripture with Tradition, I believe in the continuing gifts of the Holy Spirit, I believe that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and I believe the filoque should not be in the Nicene creed, I believe in the absolute Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, I believe in praying to the Saints.

 

 

 

Sorry for assuming you are Catholic.  why did I assume that?  That would be because I have had many discussions with Catholics and there seems to be no end to the variation within Catholicism as

much of their beliefs do not stem from the Bible itself but rather the 'fathers' of which there is a sampling here

 

At any rate, the views expressed here are Christian by those who oppose your view of the Bible.  

 

Unfortuneatly, I am aquainted with both partial and full preterists and view those beliefs as erroneous.

 

Praying to the saints is NOT in scripture and is not supported other then by man's traditions.

 

I view that pretty much the same as invoking spirits other than the Holy Spirit.

 

By the way?  Its Revelation....no s.  It was the Revelation to John given to him by Christ.

 

So it sounds like you have kind of gone to some kind of religious smorgasborg and sampled whatever appealed to you...kind of your own religion...so really, I would seriously hesitate

to bestow any kind of authority to your beliefs

 

Do you understand that at least half of what you say you believe sounds as though it has come straight out of a book on Catholic dogma?

 

 

 

 

I hold to the 66 books of the canon being the Word of God, but I do have a question.  Why do you Whitetiger believe there are 72 inspired books?  If you are speaking of the Apocrypha, there were 14 books in the original Apocrypha.  Why do you only consider 6 of them scripture?  Why not 80?  I am also wondering what you mean by the Bible being "words from God?"  Do you believe every jot and tittle are "words from God," or do you only believe part of the Bible is actual "words from God?"  Do you believe the Bible is inerrant? 

 

 

He is holding the Catholic position.  However, this particular opinion he expresses is not one I have heard before.

 

There are sects within the Catholic church as you prob know, so who knows exactly what he refers to unless he enlightens us.  

 

 

It's pretty plain looking at my signature that I am not Catholic. Why do you assume just Catholics believe that way? There are Orthodox too which I could be said to be closer to. Here is my new testimony from another thread.

 

 I am not a Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox; I do not hold standard protestant beliefs, more accurately modern evangelical beliefs like Dispensationalism, any type of rapture that modern evangelicals believe in, I believe that Revelations is not a future book but a book that is full of symbolism of hope for the early Christians. You could call me a partial Preterist though I might deviate from that a bit. I do not believe in Sola Scriptura I believe in Scripture with Tradition, I believe in the continuing gifts of the Holy Spirit, I believe that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and I believe the filoque should not be in the Nicene creed, I believe in the absolute Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, I believe in praying to the Saints.

 

 

 

Sorry for assuming you are Catholic.  why did I assume that?  That would be because I have had many discussions with Catholics and there seems to be no end to the variation within Catholicism as

much of their beliefs do not stem from the Bible itself but rather the 'fathers' of which there is a sampling here

 

At any rate, the views expressed here are Christian by those who oppose your view of the Bible.  

 

Unfortuneatly, I am aquainted with both partial and full preterists and view those beliefs as erroneous.

 

Praying to the saints is NOT in scripture and is not supported other then by man's traditions.

 

I view that pretty much the same as invoking spirits other than the Holy Spirit.

 

By the way?  Its Revelation....no s.  It was the Revelation to John given to him by Christ.

 

So it sounds like you have kind of gone to some kind of religious smorgasborg and sampled whatever appealed to you...kind of your own religion...so really, I would seriously hesitate

to bestow any kind of authority to your beliefs

 

Do you understand that at least half of what you say you believe sounds as though it has come straight out of a book on Catholic dogma?

 

I have no idea how to quote what you ask me indivually so I can aswer your post easier, would you know? I will answer your very last question, yes because my Church is a covergence Church and we do have Catholic elements and Orthodox elements. About partial Peterism I studied and chose that after coming out of the biggest lie that invaded Christianity namely dispensationalism. Actally the beliefs in the thread are not Bibical as far as the thread title is concerned the Word of God is Christ, when one insist the Word of God is the Biblr one starts making the Bible God

white tiger,I've checked this forum for several days now... and I think I understand the concept of your doctrinal beliefs, though they're polyphonic, enigmatic, paradoxical, and chaotic. I do understand the belief of the Eucharist, as the embodiment of the sacraments, i.e. Christ literally becomes manifest in them. You worship the saints by praying to them, because in doing so, you deify them on some equivalence to Divinity. You believe in the Charismatic Movement, including the manifestation of the Holy Ghost, with speaking in other tongues, gifts of the Spirit, which among them are prophetical utterances, interpretation of tongues, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, discernment of spirits, casting out of devils, prayer for the sick, healings, miracles, etc... Okay, sure, alright, uh-huh yeah, I get it. But what you don't  get, is Sheba in her kind delicate and polite inquiry is: if you've unsubscribed 3 days ago, but now it's 4 days, because of your disgust, detest and general dogmatic manner displays in opposition to Worthy's ToS: Terms of Service, why are you still  here if you hate us so loathsome and disrespectfully? Just saying, white tiger... No offense, don't mind me, I'm not in authority, I'm just in support, because I do love Worthy, the ministry, those in leadership, plus the numerous members I've come to know, and have genuine endearing fondness for... I enjoy hanging out here, because in Sheba's own words to me recently, "Where else would I go?"

Shalom Aliechem

David/BeauJangles

First, no it's not worship and it is Bibical to pray to the Saints (Heb 12:1), if it is then you need to stop praying to others to pray for you. I can't find where to unsub from the thread FYI or I would have. I mistakenly thought that this was a place of fellowship that accepted Christians but instead I get grilled and harassed by one poster how should I feel? You tell me.

3 days later what? What's your problem lady?

Whitetiger, you said that you believed there should be 72 books in the Bible because it was decided by the church in the 300s, and that was not the case.  I don't know of anyone that held to 72 books in the 300s.  The controversy was between 66 books and 80 books.  Who held to 72 books in the 300s?  Are you claiming your denomination existed back that far and they alone held to 72 books being scripture?  That's what I am trying to figure out.  You say you are not Episcopal, but the name of the church you are promoting is Charasmatic Episcopal.  You may not be part of the largest group of Episcopal churches, but your church calls themselves Episcopal.  There are numerous groups of Baptist and Methodist Churches like Freewill Baptist and Bible Methodist, and if I call those groups Baptist or Methodist, they are by their title Baptist or Methodist, even though they may not be the most common type of Baptist or Methodist.  Your church is an Episcopal Church. 

No it's not, we use an Episcopalian government. We are a convergence Church or three streams. Liturgical, Charismatic, Evangelical. We are a very pro life conservative body  

In reality, the church didn't decide back in the 300s that there were 72 inspired books.  There were 66 books everyone agreed on, and 14 that were in question.  My 1611 KJV Bible contains the additional 14 books known as the Apocrypha.  Since that time, the Catholic Church removed some of those 14 questionable books but kept others.  That was long after the 300s.  I have asked many Catholics why they removed part of the Apocrypha but still hold to part of it, and none have given me any justification for it.  That is why I asked you why you don't either take my position that there are 66 books that make up the canon or 80 books that make up the canon?  Why 72 books? 

 

The Episcopal Church is very close to the Catholic Church, except it is generally more liberal  I have spoken to clergy in the Episcopal Church.  Your church is much closer to Catholic than protestant.  Since I am full gospel, the only thing you said I agree with is that I believe in the continuing gifts of the Holy Spirit.  I appreciate your candor, because you did clear up a lot of what you believe, but I still don't get why you hold to 72 books as opposed to 66 verses 80, which is why I am asking you a follow up question about that one issue.  Thanks in advance. 

I told you why I hold to the books and that is that and I am not Episcopalian, I am not associated with the ECUSA nor Anglican Church, nor is my Church. My Church is closer to Orthodox though we call it a convergence Church

 

I hold to the 66 books of the canon being the Word of God, but I do have a question.  Why do you Whitetiger believe there are 72 inspired books?  If you are speaking of the Apocrypha, there were 14 books in the original Apocrypha.  Why do you only consider 6 of them scripture?  Why not 80?  I am also wondering what you mean by the Bible being "words from God?"  Do you believe every jot and tittle are "words from God," or do you only believe part of the Bible is actual "words from God?"  Do you believe the Bible is inerrant? 

 

 

He is holding the Catholic position.  However, this particular opinion he expresses is not one I have heard before.

 

There are sects within the Catholic church as you prob know, so who knows exactly what he refers to unless he enlightens us.  

 

It's pretty plain looking at my signature that I am not Catholic. Why do you assume just Catholics believe that way? There are Orthodox too which I could be said to be closer to. Here is my new testimony from another thread.

 I am not a Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox; I do not hold standard protestant beliefs, more accurately modern evangelical beliefs like Dispensationalism, any type of rapture that modern evangelicals believe in, I believe that Revelations is not a future book but a book that is full of symbolism of hope for the early Christians. You could call me a partial Preterist though I might deviate from that a bit. I do not believe in Sola Scriptura I believe in Scripture with Tradition, I believe in the continuing gifts of the Holy Spirit, I believe that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and I believe the filoque should not be in the Nicene creed, I believe in the absolute Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, I believe in praying to the Saints.

I hold to the 66 books of the canon being the Word of God, but I do have a question.  Why do you Whitetiger believe there are 72 inspired books?  If you are speaking of the Apocrypha, there were 14 books in the original Apocrypha.  Why do you only consider 6 of them scripture?  Why not 80?

Because that is what the Church determined in th 300's through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

I am also wondering what you mean by the Bible being "words from God?"  Do you believe every jot and tittle are "words from God," or do you only believe part of the Bible is actual "words from God?"  Do you believe the Bible is inerrant?

Just that, the Scriptures are words from God and the Word of God in Christ. See here http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/answer/581/ and here http://orthodoxcanada.org/qa_archives/question7.html for my view of Bibical inerrancy