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Does it matter that its missing? I only ask because everytime a KJV only person has used that argument I have never once found the meaning to have changed. If the meaning is the same then squabbling over which specific word is used seems a bit pointless to me. Do you think the meaning of the overall passage has changed? Of course then one also needs to prove that the KJV was accurate in including whatever it was that they included and others were not accurate by leaving it out. Often the assumption made by people is that if it is in the KJV then it must be correct. That is not a reasonable assumption in my opinion. Does it mean Jesus can't or won't save you by using a non kjv bible? No, but many will sware by the KJV, that its almost positively spiritually charged. I dunno about why the other verses are changed, but I do have some reasoning for mark 9:29. This is refering to the man with son with a dumb spirit (devil) that the disciples could not cast out. So the man took his son to christ personally to cast him out. Afterwards the disciples privately went to Christ and asked him why not. Mark 9:29 was your answer. The word FASTING is in the KJV, but it is removed from many of the other bibles. I have heard it said the NIV and ESV are devil bibles. What does wikipedia say about fasting? "Fasting is primarily an act of willing abstinence or reduction from certain or all food, drink, or both, for a period of time." This could mean no food for a period of time like food fasting. It could also mean fasting from drugs, or pornography, or any addiction. In essense, Jesus is telling you it requires prayer AND fasting to remove some demons. Now why would Satan not want that info out there? There are webpages out there that will prove to you the KJV is the infallible non perverted word of God. Its worth looking into if you have never checked it out. I imagine any truly saved christian will have the discernment to know it is the one. However you have not justified that the word fasting should be there. (I did look up the passage in the end before I came back to look at these forums). Even then your comment does not make much sense to me because several other translations include the word fasting. So either way the KJV then is no better or worse than any other translation. I have heard the argument that the NIV is the devils bible. This is based on the parent company of Zondervan which publishes and owns the NIV has the same parent company as the company that publishes the Satanic bible. This is an issue for some. To me it is just Rupert Murdoch recognises there is money to be made and so purchased the different companies at separate times and put them under his book publishing arm of Harper Collins. Some seem to want to think there is something sinister about it but I just don't see it. If there is a particular website you would like me to look at I will be happy to look at it and consider its arguments. I have seen several different websites making these arguments and have not been convinced by any of them. I have found many of their claims to be the equivalent of clutching at straws or meaningless such as number of words being different. It is not unusual for word counts to be different in old english and modern english, That's just the way it is. The KJV may be hard to understand today but when it was written it was not. It was using normal everyday language of the time. So that is why I dismiss word count arguments. I also dismiss any argument where the meaning of the passage is not changed. For example one of the more common arguments is that the word Lord is removed from one verse and they argue that it could then be talking about anybody. however when reading that verse with surrounding verses there is no doubt it is talking about Jesus. As I said I am happy to look through a website if you would like me to. Just provide a link or tell me the name and I can search for it. I have not justified the why the word fasting is there? I will get to that one day, but even then, certain folks who call themselves christians will not want to hear or believe this truth. And I will be ran out of this forum just like Jesus or Paul when they cast out a devil. The KJV is very careful not to step over the line by name calling. Like drawing 3/4 of a picture and leaving the last quarter to be drawn by us. Thats free will, not forcing an answer on you. For example. Mathew 6:24 KJV - "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon" ESV - “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money." Mammon in the KJV , money in the ESV, IMO this stuff is done to promote drama, Satan loves drama by giving direct names.

Does it matter that its missing? I only ask because everytime a KJV only person has used that argument I have never once found the meaning to have changed. If the meaning is the same then squabbling over which specific word is used seems a bit pointless to me. Do you think the meaning of the overall passage has changed? Of course then one also needs to prove that the KJV was accurate in including whatever it was that they included and others were not accurate by leaving it out. Often the assumption made by people is that if it is in the KJV then it must be correct. That is not a reasonable assumption in my opinion. When I come in here and give the truth, you will know why the KJV is the one.

Does it matter that its missing? I only ask because everytime a KJV only person has used that argument I have never once found the meaning to have changed. If the meaning is the same then squabbling over which specific word is used seems a bit pointless to me. Do you think the meaning of the overall passage has changed? Of course then one also needs to prove that the KJV was accurate in including whatever it was that they included and others were not accurate by leaving it out. Often the assumption made by people is that if it is in the KJV then it must be correct. That is not a reasonable assumption in my opinion. Does it mean Jesus can't or won't save you by using a non kjv bible? No, but many will sware by the KJV, that its almost positively spiritually charged. I dunno about why the other verses are changed, but I do have some reasoning for mark 9:29. This is refering to the man with son with a dumb spirit (devil) that the disciples could not cast out. So the man took his son to christ personally to cast him out. Afterwards the disciples privately went to Christ and asked him why not. Mark 9:29 was your answer. The word FASTING is in the KJV, but it is removed from many of the other bibles. I have heard it said the NIV and ESV are devil bibles. What does wikipedia say about fasting? "Fasting is primarily an act of willing abstinence or reduction from certain or all food, drink, or both, for a period of time." This could mean no food for a period of time like food fasting. It could also mean fasting from drugs, or pornography, or any addiction. In essense, Jesus is telling you it requires prayer AND fasting to remove some demons. Now why would Satan not want that info out there? There are webpages out there that will prove to you the KJV is the infallible non perverted word of God. Its worth looking into if you have never checked it out. I imagine any truly saved christian will have the discernment to know it is the one.

Faith in science VS Faith in god As I sit here today....I loved Jurassic park movies and dinosaurs, but I can't prove to myself dinosaurs were alive in the flesh. And that the Earth and sun are billions of years old. I can freeze water at 32 degrees. I can burn objects with fire, but I cannot honestly prove to myself that there is anything beyond the sphere of this Earth. The playpen as I call it. I look up and see all this stuff, I don't really really know its there. You could say, well just get a telescope, again, I can't fly so I don't know whats up there. An atheist could say the same thing about the bible. There is no physical proof. Yet we experience miracles all the time. And we quickly forget like Israel following Moses after leaving Egypt. Or the disciples that forgot how Jesus fed them with a miracle earlier. To those with Faith no proof is necessary, to those who dont believe no proof is possible.

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Jesus says a man will leave his mother and father and cling to his wife. And the reason he would not get married is because he is an Eunuch. Mathew 19:12 "12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

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Exodus 32:25 "And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:) Isaiah 32:11 "Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins."" Isaiah 47:3 ""Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man"" Ezekiel 16:37-39 "36 Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;37 Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.39 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare."" Ezekiel 23:29 "" And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms. "" 2 Samuel 10:4 ""Wherefore Hanun took David's servants, and shaved off the one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, even to their buttocks, and sent them away."" Acts 16:22 "And the multitude rose up together against them, and the magistrates rent off their clothes and commanded to beat them." 1 Corinthians 11:6 ""For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered."" Nahum 3:5 ""Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame. "" Habakkuk 2:15 ""Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! "" Romans 8:35 ""Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? "" Revelation 16:15 ""Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. "" Revelation 17:16 ""And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."" Micah 1:8 ""Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls."" Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." Uncover thy nakedness law set - Leviticus 18:6-19 6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD. 7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. 9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover 10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness. 11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman. 13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman. 14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt. 15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness. 18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time. 19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

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KJV, something tells me God wants it to be hard to understand. That way you learn about all those strange words. It expands your mind and ability to comprehend. Go look up Mark 9:29 in the KJV then check the NIV and ESV and see what word is missing.

Some old testament verses - Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God." Daniel 3:21 "Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace." Isaiah 13:22 "And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare" I can't think of much in the new testament but one. 1 Timothy 2:9 "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;" Jesus said not to worry about what to wear. Mathew 6:25 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?" With all this in mind, think about Adam and Eve, they were naked before they ate of the tree of knowledge. After they ate of it. They were ashamed they were naked. As in humiliation. They were thinking about flesh. And covered themselves up. The NT teaches you to turn away from the flesh, and when the flesh dies, you walk in spirit. A women should dress like a women, a man should dress like a man. You have the basic female and male, and certain clothes can either add to the masculinity or femininity, or take it away. And then certain apparel can promote someone to lust and objectify the flesh. But God sees us like X-ray vision and sees us naked. There is old testament law about a man will not lie with another man - Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." A christian is under grace, not under the law. Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." but a saint should know and follow the law, and have the faith of christ. Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." A woman should dress like a woman, and a man a man. Notice the word effeminate in this new testament verse. 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," I don't see this as a listen or die command like Leviticus 18:22, but just a simple fact. The effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God. Why? because effeminate men have Satanic energy in them. Satan will not enter in the gates of the kingdom of God.

I thought that too at one time. Being saved is the difference. But off the top of my head here's what I think. No one cares about time when they are having fun. Being in the presence of God might be like a high you never come down from. Like that temporary bliss of sexual orgasm forever. Except in heaven its not neurotransmitters in your brain firing. Its beyond physics and physical reality. John 4:7-14 " 7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. 8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) 9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. 10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."