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Why the church which consist of both Jews and Gentiles are the two witnesses Biblical use of the 1260 day/years Daniel 7.25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. A Time = 1 year 360 days Times = 2 years 720 days Dividing of Times = 1/2 year. 180 days 360+720+180 = 1260 Daniel 12.7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. Rev. 11.2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Rev. 11.3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260 one thousand Two hundred and threescore = 1260 Rev. 12.6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev. 12.14 And to the woman (Church )were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 1260 years 42 months 3 1/2 years or days Rev. 13.5,8 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months...and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) the dark ages wen the church was persecuted

I can see something in this. This suggests that a person's works will decide how severe their punishment is. Hi Oakwood. 1. At the second coming;This wicked system will be destroyed,only the true belivers resurrected in spirit form. The rest of the survivors and the dead in their graves will be left as is. 2. The jews from the past and present and some living will be brought back to their own land,in the flesh. which will be paradise(jerusalem).Only the remnant of the jews chosen by God. The saints will rule over them,as kings and priests. And Jesus as king of kings. This would be the kingdom of the saints,for one thousand years.The lion will eat straw. 3. The gentiles left,will multiply outside the square(kingdom),and so will the jews inside the square(paradise). 4.The jews taught christ by the saints,will also teach the gentiles out side. many gentiles will accept Christ,But many also will not. 5.When the thousand years are past, satan will be let loose to draw the non believers of the gentiles outside, to one place to attack the square(kingdom). They all will be destroyed by God himself this time. This is the war of gog and magog. Now all the wicked are dead;satan and his angels cast into the fire. 6.There are still many dead gentiles in the graves of all generations,and all religions. They will be brought back to life; judged by their deeds(hearts). The sheep placed on the right(the good hearted),and the goats on the left(the mean hearted). The goats, cast in the fire;the sheep accepted,and changed into spirit form,and will join all the saints. 7. Now all the wicked are no more, all the saints will be God's children. 8. But the earth is still poluted on the suface, and under the earth. The earth will be melted, and a new earth created. All the saints will be in heaven untill its done. 9. Then all will come down to the new earth,and God will also dwell on earth,all can see Him face to face. God's will is done in earth. jesse. Where in the bible say that the wicked will accept Christ in the 1000 year and get salvation ? Are you saying there will be baptism in the 1000 years ? thanks

Yes, but what is the point of judging them then? The word 'judge' means to assess a situation in order to determine an outcome. The word 'according' means that the outcome is should be in agreement with those works. In other words, you don't judge those that have already been judged. If they're damned anyway, then their works are irrelevant, so why bother with them unless their works in some way help to determine the outcome. If the outcome is already determined then why judge? Just throw them into the fire and be done with! Oakwood Because they will ask the question. Prove it. And Christ proves it by what is written in the books. In Christ Montana Marv Will the righteous be judged at that white throne also ? thanks

Are you saying that the new Jerusalem will exist during the 1000 years ? thanks

Yes I agree,but the olive tree is God the branches are the jews,but for now broken off. The wild olive branches are grafted unto the tree = Christians; also called spiritual israel. jesse. The TWO GROUPS of people who are the ONLY TWO WITNESSES in all the earth who stand for the only true and wise God ARE number 1, the true believers in Christ Jesus the Son of God, otherwise know as Christians or formally known as the WILD OLIVE TREE; and number 2, the other witness standing before the one true God is ISRAEL, which is the NATURAL OLIVE TREE. So you see we have TWO different GROUPS of people who stand for the God of the earth, and it is these TWO GROUPS who are the TWO WITNESSES spoke of in the book of Revelation. We can see these TWO GROUPS, the Jews, who believe in Almighty God the Father, and the Christians, those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God as their savior all through the book of Revelation as well as the rest of the word of God. Take a look at Revelation 20:4 which says,“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus AND for the WORD of God.” thanks Just faith. Please explain why they(the two) are taken up. verse 11.12. And then after, the 7th trumpet, which is the resurrection? verse 15. Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. DEAD BODIES? Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. GRAVES? Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. ALL OF THEM JEWS AND CHRISTIANS? Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. jesse. I believe that the 2 witnesses are Israel and the true Gentile believers in Christ. Throughout the Scriptures, in both the Old and New Testaments, the Bible teaches that Israel is the olive tree. The gentiles are the wild olive tree Revelation teaches that the Church is the lampstand. The two olive trees are the Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ (see Romans 11). The 2 lampstands are the Jewish Church and the Gentile Church (see Revelation 1:20). The olive trees and lampstands are one and the same, representing the same thing – God’s anointed and chosen people. The two witnesses, who are two lampstands (churches) and two olive trees (Gentile and Jewish converts to Jesus) are the anointed ones who prophesy and pronounce God’s judgment upon the nations during the 42 months prior to their death. Rev 12:17 “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”

Israel is compared to a vine ,olive tree and fig tree Jesus is the true vine but in romans 11 it speaes about the olive tree not a vine

Is the church one person or a group of people ? thanks The church is the body of Christ, made up of many parts, but the church is not one of the two witnesses God sends, neither is Christ. Is the 42 months also 3 1/2 years ?

Hi justfaith, Thankyou for your response. You see I'm putting everything together. Jesus made it clear no one can come to the Father but by through him. He is the door now. So after his death, all who believe on him will take part in the first resurrection, but the others before that (Israelites), didn't get the chance to know Christ, so they will get that chance in the 1000 years. They too, like us, have to not only walk through the door of Christ, but have their spirit renewed also. They too have to feed on Christ's flesh (The Word of God) and have that holy spirit in them also. Just like we need the HS to be raised in the 1st resurrection. But they've missed out on that so they get their change at the 2nd resurrection. The gentiles also, who did not know Christ, or obey him will be in this judgement also. I think Adam will be in the 2nd resurrection, not the first. Will those in the second resurrection be bless according to the bible ? Why or Why not thanks

Is that corruptible flesh or incorruptible flesh Job is speaking about ?

Hi justfaith, Thankyou for your response. You see I'm putting everything together. Jesus made it clear no one can come to the Father but by through him. He is the door now. So after his death, all who believe on him will take part in the first resurrection, but the others before that (Israelites), didn't get the chance to know Christ, so they will get that chance in the 1000 years. They too, like us, have to not only walk through the door of Christ, but have their spirit renewed also. They too have to feed on Christ's flesh (The Word of God) and have that holy spirit in them also. Just like we need the HS to be raised in the 1st resurrection. But they've missed out on that so they get their change at the 2nd resurrection. The gentiles also, who did not know Christ, or obey him will be in this judgement also. I think Adam will be in the 2nd resurrection, not the first. Hi Sister The blood of Jesus covers Adam and the rest of the old testement saints What was the purpose of the animal sacrifices ? How did the holy men write the bible through inspiration of the Holy Spirit ? When was Jesus first introduce to mankind ? Why and how did David have the Holy Spirit ? 2 Samuel 23 King James Version (KJV) 23 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, 2 The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

Yes I agree,but the olive tree is God the branches are the jews,but for now broken off. The wild olive branches are grafted unto the tree = Christians; also called spiritual israel. jesse. The TWO GROUPS of people who are the ONLY TWO WITNESSES in all the earth who stand for the only true and wise God ARE number 1, the true believers in Christ Jesus the Son of God, otherwise know as Christians or formally known as the WILD OLIVE TREE; and number 2, the other witness standing before the one true God is ISRAEL, which is the NATURAL OLIVE TREE. So you see we have TWO different GROUPS of people who stand for the God of the earth, and it is these TWO GROUPS who are the TWO WITNESSES spoke of in the book of Revelation. We can see these TWO GROUPS, the Jews, who believe in Almighty God the Father, and the Christians, those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God as their savior all through the book of Revelation as well as the rest of the word of God. Take a look at Revelation 20:4 which says,“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus AND for the WORD of God.” thanks

Why the two witnesses are the jews and gentiles that make up the church of God the two witnesses which ARE the two olive trees as two GROUPS of people “And if some of the branches be broken off, and YOU, being a WILD OLIVE TREE, and were grafted in among them, and with them are partakers of the root and fatness of THE OLIVE TREE: Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you. You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I may be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear: For if God spared not the NATURAL BRANCHES, take heed that he spare not you. Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of Godn which them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you CONTINUE in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. For if it were cut out of the OLIVE TREE which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good OLIVE TREE; how much more shall these, which be the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

Is the church one person or a group of people ? thanks

Are you saying that the old testement saints have eternal life or the promise before Jesus come to give His reward ? Can yo please provide scripture to support your answer thanks

Psa 68:18 - When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train, and gave gifts to men;... Eph 4:8,9 - When He ascended on high, He led captives in his train and gave gifts to men. The spirits/souls of OT Saints rose at His ascension. He who descended to the lower, earthly regions also ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe. In Christ Montana Marv Acts 2:29King James Version (KJV) 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. maybe he's not a saint..... Thats funny but on a serious note Psalm 106:16King James Version (KJV) 16 They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the Lord.

Why did the event took place at His death and the soilders saw it also ? It says after His resurrection they enter the city not before

Psa 68:18 - When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train, and gave gifts to men;... Eph 4:8,9 - When He ascended on high, He led captives in his train and gave gifts to men. The spirits/souls of OT Saints rose at His ascension. He who descended to the lower, earthly regions also ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe. In Christ Montana Marv Acts 2:29King James Version (KJV) 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Where is King David ? Is he in heaven looking down at us? thanks

Where are they now ? thanks

1 Corinthians 10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

From Adam to last of the old testement people will be ressurected in the first ressurection as saints with the second coming of Jesus to rule with Him over wicked nations

Since everything happens for a reason, where does that leave Enoch if it was Moses and Elijah? Seems kind of pointless to take him for nothing. Moses had served his purpose and Elijah had not died yet and so seems more likely that it would be Enoch & Elijah, but hey.. we shall all know for sure some day, Well, what do we know about Enoch? He was Methuselah's father: [Gen 5:22 KJV] And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: Methuselah was the oldest living man in the Bible, yet he died before his father (fun Bible trivia). When Methuselah died, the flood came. [Gen 5:23 KJV] And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: [Gen 5:24 KJV] And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him. Hey look, an OT rapture! [Heb 11:5 KJV] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. I wonder how many of us have that testimony, that we please God? I know He loves us, but does He also have to like us? [Jde 1:14,15 KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Seventh from Adam. I'm not big into the numerology of the text, but there are some numbers that seem pretty hard to deny. Seven is "complete" (often ascribed to God so people casually associate seven with "divine", but that's not quite right since Satan has seven heads in Rev). The other, earlier "seventh from Adam" in Gen 4 is Lamech, who does nothing good. We see a principle played out here: [1Co 15:46 KJV] Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. and [Heb 10:9 KJV] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. Enoch proclaimed God: "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints..." I think this also makes Enoch the earliest prophet. So Enoch is an obedient witness. In the flood we see three groups of people: those that perish in the flood, those that are preserved through the flood with Noah, and one that is raptured before the flood. Noah was an example of a Godly remnant of Israel preserved through judgment, and it is easy to see Enoch as an example of the Christian believer walking by faith and in obedience to God. Moses and Elijah represented the dead and alive in Jesus at His second coming no rapture ?

1.The first resurrection, only the ones in christ. After the test and passed. 2.The second resurrection, all the dead; the just and the unjust.The sheep and the goats. judged by the books. jesse. Dear Jesse the dead and alive in Christ are resurrected and caught up respectfully, where did the second set of just persons came from after the 1000 years ? 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18King James Version (KJV) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Justfiath. I love questions. 1. At the second coming/resurrection. All in the truth,in the graves or alive, will be resurrected. The first fruits first. The rest of the dead in graves, and armageddon survivors will not be resurrected. 2. They will multiply during the thousand year reign, out side the square/kingdom.(rev.21:17). Only the chosen jews will be inside the square/kingdom(paradise for the jews). (A kingdom for the saints).saints will rule. 3.After the thousand years: The second judement. The resurrection of all people on earth, of all generations and all religions. Judged by their works,by the books.(not by Christ). 4.The sheep put on the right, and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire. The sheep changed into spirit. 5.All spirit now: The corrupted earth(physically), will be melted; and a new earth formed. jesse. Who is a saint ? Does not the righteous change into a spiritual body at Jesus second coming Why wait until the dividing of the sheep and goat ? Are you saying the new city will be on the earth during the 1000 yrs ? Thanks Saints are the resurrected.angels are also called saints for they are holy. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left,not at the coming; because there is no dividing during the second coming. Only the true christians will be resurrected and the rest left behind. The thousand year kingdom will be in israel;Jerusalem as the capitol city. Jerusalem once more as paradise for the jews in the flesh.They will be at rest,no pain no tears no wars.lions eat straw. But a kingdom for the saints and Christ.They will rule as kings and priests. jesse. To whom is this speaking to as the priest the Jews or Gentiles ? thanks 61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified. 4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. 5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Yes I agree,but the olive tree is God the branches are the jews,but for now broken off. The wild olive branches are grafted unto the tree = Christians; also called spiritual israel. jesse. Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; The tree is God: any branch that is broken off; it shall dry up and perish. The natural olive branch = jews are broken off for now, untill grafted back on during the thousand years. The gentiles are grafted in now = christians.(sspiritual jews). The christians will be resurrected first,whom is last.(first.resurr). And the jews will be resurrected last,whom was first.(secd. resurr). jesse. Those who are to be resurrected last are cursed not blessed . where did you get that the Jews will be resurrected last ? thanks Who is the wild olive tree if God is natural good olive tree ? note I did not say wild branches Thanks Matthew 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. The jews were chosen first,but have rejected the Messiah. The christians were last, but have accepted the Messiah,therefore they will be resurrected in spirit first. The jews in general are cursed;they will not enter into the rest(paradise). But the chosen jews will enter into God's rest. God is the natural olive tree; Jesus is the natural olive branch.(the branch)jer.23:5.6. jesse. Is God also the wild tree ? Why or Why not

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye noknow that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.(people 0 Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, ( holy angels )