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  1. Are you still here? I thought you might have been raptured by now. Well never mind, tomorrow maybe.... or the day after.... perhaps next week. And by the way... you're right. Millions do believe in the pre-Trib rapture, because they study the Bible... and then they extrapolate, add, divide, multiply, twist and flourish what they have read. And not only that, they're the only ones who can really understand what scriptures say, because after all they belong to the 'special' generation. Not like those billions of ignorant Christians who came before them such as Peter, John, John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley and any other post-Trib ignoramuses. who were stupid enough to suffer for their faith instead of chilling out and waiting for God to send them a free taxicab to hotel paradise. As I have already said... the millions of pre-Tribbers who do study the Bible have also been previously fed the pre-Trib narrative. The millions of other believers who also study the Bible have not been fed any previous narrative. There's no such thing as post-Trib doctrine. Post-Trib is the conclusion that you come to if you read scripture without pride and let the Holy Spirit be your guide. But it doesn't really matter, we can always continue this discussion another day - perhaps next month or next year, or maybe after the Tribulation has started. Because there's a very good chance you're still going to be here.
  2. I'm not against pre-Trib. As I already said... I'd never heard of either. Pre-Trib sounds great to me. I wish it was true, but it isn't. But typically you accuse me of being biased. You obviously didn't read what I had written, or like most pre-Tribbers completely ignored it. And your explanation is exactly what I claimed; over-complicated. Adding stuff that isn't really there, and making assumptions. For example, the so-called raptured church that John is supposed to have seen, well all I can say is.: We're not the only Christians, you know...... what about the ones that have lived for the last two thousand years or so? But in typical pre-Trib mindset, "it's all about you". Despite 2000 years of Christian martyrdom, you're the special privileged generation, the only ones to escape without any testing. The apostle Peter suffered on the cross, Tyndale was burned at the stake for his faith. Thousands of saints were tortured and murdered under the inquisition, Christians were thrown to the lions by Nero, but U.S. Christians living in nice houses with nice cars whose worst ever trial in life was worrying about being late for work; are so privileged that God will give them unique treatment that nobody has ever had before. No beheadings for them, or even struggling to buy or sell; not for this snowflake generation. Jesus says that he who endures to the end, the same shall be saved. But what exactly is there to endure when you're up in the sky, sipping nectar cocktails and having a grandstand view of the entire show? Nobody ever comes to the conclusion that there is a pre-Trib rapture unless they are pre-programmed to believe it. If you've never heard of it, you'll never assume it. Whereas Post-Trib and to some extent Mid-Trib are the obvious conclusions of reading the text. Yet despite my explanation you proved my point. Pre-Tribbers are unwilling to let go. Thank you for proving me right.
  3. Why would anyone be afraid of Pre-Trib? It sounds too good to be true. A free pass from all the suffering. No, in reality it's the Post-Trib that's the scary one, and Biblically it's also the correct one. The false prophet enters the temple, then Christians are persecuted for 3 and a half-years and then at the end of all this Jesus comes to rescue us (the rapture), defeat the Devil and then set up the Millennial reign. This fits in perfectly with what the Bible says. The pre-Trib has to add all sorts of stuff to scripture that simply isn't there. 'Jesus comes back, then he leaves, then he comes back again', all that sort of nonsense. If you simply read scripture word for word without adding your own pre-conceptions (and wishful thinking) to it, you'll find the truth. Always read scripture without pre-conceived ideas. I read scripture without any bias, neither accepting nor rejecting either pre-Trib or Post-Trib doctrine. In fact the first time I started reading the Bible I was completely unaware of either rapture theory so I had no bias to overcome either way. The pre-Retrib rapture is essentially popular doctrine in the U.S.A. but is almost unheard of among Christians outside of North America. It was never even considered by early Christians, nor by subsequent ones. It became popular because of teachers such as John Nelson Derby and Hal Lindsey who brainwashed thousands of Americans with the idea, so that from an early age these churchgoers were taught to believe in it. It is so comforting to them, that they can't let go of it, no matter how much they are shown the error of their ways. The truth sometimes is too painful to deal with. Pre-Trib is simply un-Biblical and many times this has been explained on Worthy forums, yet the pre-Tribbers simply won't let go! Instead, they don their Sherlock Holmes outfits, pull out their huge magnifying glasses, pick up their pocket calculators and go to work trying desperately to find the needle in the haystack that simply isn't there. Then when they've subtracted Daniel's 70th week from this, and added it to that, then divided it by something else, they yell "Eureka", here it is... I've found it." But it's just an exercise in puzzle-solving and riddles - and has little to do with understanding the simple truth of God's word. I don't doubt the intelligence or integrity of pre-Tribbers. Many are smart people who are clever at analysis, and have an admirable patience and dedication when it comes to trying to solve Biblical conundrums, but they are motivated by a false premise. They are motivated by a desire to justify something that they already believe in, rather than being motivated by the humility of understanding that they know nothing, but simply want to ask God questions that will give them knowledge. But why try to complicate the simple truth of God's teachings? Why make His word more complicated than it already is? It's possible to convince anybody that they've found just about anything in scripture if they desperately want to, but only if they add 'this', assume 'that', and deceive themselves into believing God has said something that he never actually said. For example: Homosexuals can convince themselves that God is okay with Gay marriage if they assume beforehand that he is (and want him to be so) just by twisting scripture, adding what they desire, and deleting what they don't like. The same goes for anybody who wishes to believe in something that their heart's desire. But in the end it's all about the truth. Jesus tells us to come to him as a small child. Small children know nothing, yet their curiosity leads them to ask questions. They don't have pre-assumptions. That's how we should be. Post-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Trib, or even no Trib at all.... who knows? Who cares? Who is willing to accept whatever God tells them (even if it hurts at first and they don't like the answer that God gives them)? At the end of the day, Post-Trib (and even possibly Mid-Trib) fits the Biblical narrative. Pre-Trib only works if you add your own bias to scripture and look for stuff that isn't actually there in the first place.
  4. Yes you can be saved, and probably are saved - but there is something dark troubling you. Demons will always make a person feel that God does not love them. They will try to make a saved person believe that they are not saved. They will try to make a person despise God. I believe you're a target of demonic oppression and probably have been for some time. A Christian can never be possessed by demons but those nasty little devils can sure try to make your life a living Hell. And they love to target Christians if they get the opportunity. That's why we should always wear the full armour of God to give us protection. Demons know that there is no salvation for them and that they have already been judged; and they despise human beings out of sheer envy and they want to make us as miserable as they are. Misery loves company. Pray to God (even if you feel you don't trust him). Pray in the name of Jesus Christ to set you free. I will pray for you too.
  5. Neom is definitely an Illuminati concept. It sounds good, it looks good and it seems benign... but it's not. The Devil masquerades as an angel of light; but his true nature is cursed with darkness. Welcome to Neom, the new Babel. Welcome to the enslavement of mankind: Model Number One.
  6. Well, the story of Mithras, for example, was completely different to Jesus at one time, but later writers changed it and claimed that Mithras was born of a virgin. There are other examples that I can't think of off the top of my head. The point I'm trying to make is that Atheists used the revised versions of these myths, not the original versions of these myths, to claim similarities between the Bible and Paganism. But also as you have already stated, the Jesus story was changed too, to match Pagan myths. This has caused confusion among people who haven't bothered to check their history.
  7. The problem is that Satan tries to reverse history and claims that the Pagan myths came first and Jesus came afterwards.But the reality is that Jesus came before the Pagan myths - or rather, Jesus came before the Pagan myths were rewritten and adapted to copy the story of Jesus. So, for example - there may be a Pagan god who was worshipped long before Jesus came, but his story was originally completely different. After Jesus came the Pagan god's story was re-written to roughly match the story of Jesus. This causes people to believe that the story of Jesus was copied from a Pagan myth because the Pagan god was being worshipped before Jesus arrived. The problem with Atheists and other mockers of Christianity is that they don't research their history - they just believe what they have been told by other Atheists. In fact, most Atheists and other scoffers are guilty of doing the very things they accuse Christians of doing. Atheists accuse Christian of being stupid, superstitious idiots who believe everything they are told without testing it, but in reality most Christians examine the evidence and use discernment. It is the Atheists who believe what they are told without testing it. They believe in Evolution, they believe in the Big-Bang, and they believe in false science. They are either too lazy or too afraid to test such claims. They believe in such nonsense because men in white coats with lots of letters after their names tell them that such a reality is so. In other words, Atheism is nothing other than a religion, because Atheists believe what the high priests of scientism tell them; and they believe it obediently and without question!
  8. Atheists and other Christian-bashers love to claim that the story of Jesus was stolen from Pagan religions, but nothing could be further from the truth. It is more likely that Pagan myths were later twisted to form a counterfeit of Christianity:
  9. I agree with you. It is wrong for adults; but to set a bad example to children is one thing - to coerce or manipulate children into such depravity is quite another. I am reminded of Luke 17:2.
  10. This is probably coming next. Satan never stops sowing the seeds of depravity, and as we approach the End Times things are going to get worse. We must protect children from this evil.
  11. You're right Shiloh, it's not. But at least an adult is old enough to be accountable for the fruits of their sins. To inflict such confusion upon children is a gross abomination worthy of severe judgement, and is far... far worse!
  12. The word vicar is derived from Latin, as is 'vicarious' which means 'substitute' or 'in place of another'. So 'vicar of christ' means more or less the same thing as 'Antichrist'. The RCC did not form until the 4th Century AD (over two hundred years after Peter's death), and was really just a make-over of the Roman government - until then zealous persecutors of Christians. So Peter and his followers were persecuted by Rome until Rome decided (somewhat dubiously) to adopt Christianity. How can the RCC be the 'true Church' if it had been persecuting Christians for nearly three hundred years? Did the true Church at one time persecute itself? Despite the Vatican's persecution, torture and murder of those who refused to follow the doctrines of Rome, Christianity refused to die out, and that is why we still have the word of God today.. This is what Jesus meant when he said to Peter: "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Catholics cannot use the claim that this sort of persecution no longer exists, because that's not the point. All the decrees to torture, burn and kill were done by Popes and Popes are meant to be infallible in matters of the word of God. If it is now acknowledged that those decrees were wrong (and in contravention of the Ten Commandments) then there is no such thing as infallibility of the Pope. In fact if just one Pope can be proven to have made a mistake in spiritual matters then the entire doctrine of infallibility comes crashing down like a house of cards, and there is absolutely no sound reason, (never mind a divine one) to trust without question the word of one single Pope. If one Pope is wrong, they could all be wrong! From the teachings of Catholics themselves (so they have no excuse by blaming these accusations on non-Catholic sources): Roman Catholics use Mary and other 'saints' to intercede with Jesus. This is clearly in contravention of scripture. 1 Timothy 2:5 tells us that there is "one God, and one mediator BETWEEN God and men, the man Christ Jesus". How many Gods are there? ONE. How many mediators are there? ONE. It baffles me how often Catholics fail to understand the meaning of the word 'one.' The Pope is called 'father'. Even lowly priests are called 'father'. This is in contravention of Matthew 23:9. I could go on, but I'll save it all for another time.
  13. Shh... don't tell anyone but..... It's all a farce. The world's a stage and the actors are just reading out their scripts. Just one more step towards the NWO.
  14. It's a joke, but strangely enough...... a joke that will probability turn out to be reality very soon.
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