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  1. But they're not wrong... the Earth is flat... Science proves the Earth is flat.... Scripture tells us that it is..... I know of one Atheist who came to God and is now saved, because of the Flat Earth. He didn't believe in God because science told him that there was a Big Bang. He didn't believe in God because science told him that the Earth was around 4 billion years old, and not 6,000 years old as the Good Book tells us. He didn't believe in God because science told him that the Earth revolves around the Sun and is much younger than the Sun, yet the Bible tells us that the Earth was made first, and the Sun did n0t appear until the fourth day. But once he discovered that the Earth was not a globe, he searched for God, and he found God.... he finally realised that he had spent most of his life believing a lie. Flat Earth is the truth... it is nothing to be ashamed of. It does not turn people away from God - instead it leads people to God. Only the stubborn and the proud and the fearful resist the truth.... NEVER BE ASHAMED OF THE WORD OF GOD!
  2. So God lies to us... is that what you are saying?
  3. Not an insult - a fact. Instead of being self-obsessed with your own pride, why not listen to the word of God? It's not a competition.. we're not here to challenge each other on who is the best Christian.... are we? I'm here... miserable sinner that I am, to point you towards scripture and let you read the facts for yourself. FACT: Earth is not a globe - scripture says so! Stick to the topic. God does not lie.
  4. People are persuaded to believe something as foolish as the globe earth. I was one of them.
  5. You can't. Nobody ever has. But you believe the lie. Instead of asking 'what if' questions or 'how can' questions, why don't you trust the word of God? How strong is your faith?
  6. Biblically? You obviously haven't read the Bible then. Why don't you go through my original post and read every Bible verse that I gave - explaining why each one supports a globe Earth. Surely it's not too much trouble for you to do that is it? I took the time to do it, why can't you? If you can I'm sure you will. What have you got to lose?
  7. Correct,there is no South Pole. What we refer to as the North Pole is actually the centre of the flat disk we live on. Again,this has already been explained so many times in other Flat Earth threads (with diagrams), but as I have already said, some people never read nor listen..... because they simply don't want to know, preferring to mock before evaluating.
  8. According to empirical testable scientific evidence we know that the Earth is NOT a globe. How about going through the verses of scripture that I mentioned in my original post? Tell me, do you believe the word of God or the lies of false scientists?
  9. You can't get to the edge and look over. We live in an enclosed system as explained so many times in so many other flat Earth threads (but some people never read, nor listen). It's getting really tiring having to explain the same things over and over and over again. How about reading scripture for the answers?
  10. Yes, that's because of fish-eye lens distortion.
  11. No it wouldn't. Think about it. The North Pole is in the center. Compass bearings would remain exactly as they are.
  12. Empirical science such as the experiments that I mentioned in my original post, you mean?
  13. Flat means flat surface (as opposed to curved surface). A table top is flat but the table itself isn't.
  14. The edge of the Flat Earth is Antarctica. You can't fall of the edge in the same way that you can't sail off the edge if you're sailing a boat on a lake. We live in an enclosed system. You can't walk off the edge of your bedroom floor can you? Because there are walls around it. Now would you care to go back and read scripture and see what God has to say about it all?
  15. Bible Verses supporting Flat Earth The Bible tells us that the Earth is not a spinning globe, in fact NOT ONE verse supports the idea of a spinning globe. There are a few verses from scripture that people like to use to defend the globe, but those same verses are on this list, and as you will see these verses actually discredit the idea of a globe Earth. To read this list and then continue to believe that we live on a spinning globe is to either call God a liar or suffer from cognitive dissonance. And God called the firmament, Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:8 [There is a firmament above us, not the vacuum of Outer Space] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:14-17 [the stars are in the firmament – they are not above it. Yet there are waters above the firmament. The Sun, moon and stars were made on the fourth day, so the Earth is older than all of them. What was the Earth supposed to be orbiting before the Sun existed?] Thou shalt make thee no graven image, neither any similitude of things that are in heaven above, neither that are in the earth beneath, nor that are in the waters under the earth. Exodus 20:4 [There are waters below the Earth. This does not make sense with the globe model. If the Earth is a spinning globe then what exactly does ‘below the Earth’ mean?] And the Sun abode, and the moon stood still, until the people avenged themselves upon their enemies: (is not this written in the book of Jasher?) so the Sun abode in the midst of the heaven, and hasted not to go down for a whole day. Joshua 10:13 [Note: the Sun stopped moving. It wasn’t the Earth that stopped spinning. Some will argue that this is just a metaphor giving the explanation from our viewpoint. But God must know that one day we would have the technology to discover the truth. If the Earth is spinning, then why is God deliberately trying to confuse us? He would have told us in the Genesis creation account that the Earth spun.] He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the seat of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and he hath set the world upon them. 1 Samuel 2:8 [The Earth is set on pillars – it does not move] Then the earth trembled and quaked: the foundations of the heavens moved and shook, because he was angry. 2 Samuel 22:8 [A moving Earth and heavens would create trembling] He removeth the earth out of her place, that the pillars thereof do shake. Job 9:6 [If the Earth was moved then its foundations would shake] It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea. Job 11:8-9 [Longer and broader? Such words make no sense on a globe.] He stretcheth out the North over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Job 26:7 [Those who believe in the globe use this verse to prove that the Earth hangs on nothing, but a flat earth could also hang on nothing, so could a square or banana-shaped Earth. However things that hang are usually motionless or they sway gently from side to side. I’ve never seen a hanged man spinning or orbiting his own gibbet. Alternatively it could mean that the Earth does not hang – ie it hangs on ‘no thing’] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:4 [The Earth has foundations] That it might take hold of the corners of the earth, and that the wicked might be shaken out of it? Job 38:13 [a globe does not have corners] God shall bless us, and all the ends of the earth shall fear him. Psalm 67:7 [A globe does not have ends] Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made Summer and Winter. Psalm 74:17 [a globe does not have borders] They know not and understand nothing: they walk in darkness, albeit all the foundations of the earth be moved. Psalm 82:5 [Hypothetical statement – ‘if’ the foundations were moved; which means they are not] Thou hast aforetime laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thine hands. Psalm 102:25 [The Earth has foundations] He set the earth upon her foundations, so that it shall never move. Psalm 104:5 [The Earth does not move. It is stationary] Which hath stretched out the earth upon the waters: for his mercy endureth forever: Psalm 136:6 [You can’t stretch out a globe, but you can stretch out a flat surface] Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. Psalm 148:4 [There are waters above the heavens. Note that this verse is written in the present tense and is a post-flood verse, so the waters are still there (they didn’t all disappear after the Flood) and what’s more they are above the Sun, Moon and stars. This rules out the option of the word 'waters' referring to clouds or rain. (refer back to Genesis 1)] When he prepared the heavens, I was there, when he set the compass upon the deep: Proverbs 8:27 [Any engineer will tell you that it is impossible to set a compass on a ball. A compass needs to be laid out over a flat surface. To set a compass is to plot a circle by rotating around a fixed point, similar to the pair of compasses that you would use in school. Other references in the Bible to the word ‘compass’ means to circle something. Once again, a circle is not a sphere.] He sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers, he stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out, as a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22 [A circle is a 2d object, not a 3d one. In Hebrew there is a word for ‘circle’ and a different word for ‘ball’. Isaiah clearly knew the difference – see Isaiah:22-18 for example. Also, a tent is usually pitched over a flat surface, and how can a vacuum of nothingness (ie Outer Space) be stretched out like a curtain? If the heavens are a material reality and resemble a dome tent that we dwell inside, then this verse makes perfect sense - otherwise it does not.] Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that made all things, that spread out the heavens alone, and stretched out the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24 [This is another reference to God stretching the Earth. Globes are not stretched out, in fact quite the opposite because a sphere is an object that has the smallest surface area possible] A great tree and strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ends of all the earth. Daniel 4:8 [To see to the ends of all the Earth from a high point is impossible on a globe. Although this is just a metaphor, it is a nonsensical and confusing metaphor if the Earth is not flat] Again the devil took him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, Matthew 4:8 [Again, this is impossible on a globe. Some claim that there is a spiritual element to this, and the reason for taking Jesus up to a high mountain has nothing to do with vantage of viewpoint. But to claim this is to deny the simplest explanation and add to scripture something that is not there] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig-tree casteth her green figs, when it is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 6:13 [According to cosmologists, astrophysicists and astronomers, stars are massive Suns many times bigger than Earth. If even one star fell to Earth then we would be completely destroyed – therefore the cosmologists and the scientists must be wrong. The stars are high above us but they are not beyond the firmament, and what’s more they are smaller than the Earth, each and every one of them. Scripture frequently equates stars with angels or other celestial beings. Angels are not massive balls of hydrogen, and if some of them walk the Earth then they must be smaller than the Earth] So there you have it. The Earth is not a spinning globe. It can’t be because God tells us that it is not. Its surface is probably a flat circle, but in an enclosed system, possibly set on a square with corners. A dome is above it. There is no such thing as Outer Space. Above the dome is more water and above that is the heaven where God resides. Many people have tried to twist scripture to make it conform to the globe model, but you don’t have to twist scripture at all to make it agree with a flat earth. To try and adapt scripture to fit the idea of a ball Earth is to have more faith in the globe than in the word of God! Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. Mark 8:38 Another thought From Wikipedia: (notice the dark red text highlighted in bold) Article: Auguste Piccard (a renowned scientist from pre-NASA days) Auguste Antoine Piccard (28 January 1884 – 24 March 1962) was a Swiss physicist, inventor and explorer, known for his record-breaking hot air balloon flights, with which he studied Earth's upper atmosphere and cosmic rays, and for his invention of the first bathyscaphe, FNRS-2, with which he made a number of unmanned dives in 1948 to explore the ocean's depths. On 27 May 1931, Auguste Piccard and Paul Kipfer took off from Augsburg, Germany, and reached a record altitude of 15,781 m (51,775 ft). (FAI Record File Number 10634) During this flight, Piccard was able to gather substantial data on the upper atmosphere, as well as measure cosmic rays. Wikipedia continues: An article in Popular Science in August 1931 described their journey: "The story of their adventure surpasses fiction. During the ascent, the aluminum ball began to leak. They plugged it desperately with vaseline and cotton waste, stopping the leak. In the first half hour, the balloon shot upward nine miles. Through portholes, the observers saw the earth through copper-colored, then bluish, haze. It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge. At the ten mile level the sky appeared a deep, dark blue. With observations complete, the observers tried to descend, but couldn't. While their oxygen tanks emptied, they floated aimlessly over Germany, Austria, and Italy. Cool evening air contracted the balloon's gas and brought them down on a glacier near Ober-Gurgl, Austria, with one hour's supply of oxygen to spare." Piccard’s adventures are rarely, if ever, taught in schools. A final point The globe model was debunked by the Michelson-Morley Experiment (1887) which failed to prove the earth moved, giving a value of zero for its movement. Einstein was then forced to come up with his Theory of Relativity to handle this experiment because it decimated and discredited the scientific community with its results. Einstein's theory required the elimination of the aether, since his pseudo-science didn't work without it. The Sagnac Experiment (1913) then proved the aether did in fact exist, debunking Relativity. Despite these results, the globe deception still continued to be pushed into schools and colleges. Both the Michelson-Morley experiment and the Sagnac experiment are repeatable, observable and testable. They are based on real science but they are no longer taught in the mainstream education system. If you argue for the globe, not only are you arguing against the word of God, you are also arguing against genuine, testable science!