OneOfGodsOwn

I only saw the parts where Jesus warned about hell. Are you sure that Jesus said he will be going to hell for sure? That is a parable Jesus told not a factual account of what happened. The fact that you would try to use a parable shows not only how lacking your position is, but also shows what kind of tricks you will use to prove yourself right. I don't think I want to talk with you anymore. So you think that turning your back on God is not a sin? Try to think out what you say a little more. I do accept scripture though. Everyone keeps quoting warnings at me like they prove me wrong, but they don't. When you quote those parts of the bible you don't show anything wrong with what I said. You show you don't understand. You are in danger of hell, but God helps you. I said I found that God hasn't sent anyone to hell. That is true. Twisting my words and claiming they are wrong doesn't help anyone. What I'm saying is not Universalism and it's not a slap in the face. You prove here that you don't understand what I'm saying. I agree that those that don't follow Jesus will perish. I think we also agree that God wants to help people come to know Jesus. The difference is that I think God can do it and you think he will fail. Tell me again what belief is a slap in the face? ownd. - I can see pretty clear what kind of place this is now. No one understood what I was saying because you all are so stuck in your own personal reading of the bible you can't see 5 feet away. It's no wonder no one could answer my question. None of you could even go so far as to imagine thinking any other way. It's sad and it's sadder still to try to twist what I say to pretend to prove me wrong. It's not like what we say here changes how the world works. I urge you all to pray about this because it's the LORD and what HE says that matters. Good bye and good luck. You won't see me again!

Since everyone has sinned, everyone is destined for hell. The only thing that saves is faith in Jesus. How do you think folks get saved? Do you think everyone has that belief, that saving faith, in Jesus? I already answered your question in the quote. Think about it. So God can't do it? How weak do you think God is? When did I say "God only has to warn people and they will do whatever he says."? I said the bible doesn't say anyone goes to hell. Can you find anyone that we know for sure is in hell? No. You can't. Try to read what I said again and I think you will get it.

When did I say God lies? I don't think you guys get it. If you sin you will go to hell. God doesn't want you to got to hell so he will help you. God doesn't fail to help you so you will get it right when the time comes and not go to hell. Where is the lie? Maybe you should pray about it like I did if you still don't get it.

See? This is exactly what I mean. There is nothing but warnings. No one goes there.

There are some people who think that there is no hell. That is probably the thing on the internet you were looking at. But that is not what the bible says. No that's not what I said. I said I found out the bible doesn't say anyone goes to hell. If you know of a place where the bible says a person goes to hell let me know.

He can also help us. If your friend thought it was a good idea to go to hell forever wouldn't you help him? Same with God.

That would be against everything Jesus taught A loving God is looking out for us and TRYING to save us. But if we slap away the hand of God....there is nothing else left for us but hell Accountability. Quite out of fashion these days What makes more sense. God tries and fails or you aren't as strong as you think and can't really slap Gods hand away if he feels like holding it out? I don't know about you, but I know if God wants to get something done he does. Saying he tries to save us is the same as saying God HAS saved us.

Guys I figured it out. I prayed over it again and asked for help and it hit me. A loving God can't allow people to hell. He is the one that's looking out for us and the one that takes care of us. If someone is lost on the wrong path he will fight for them and when God fights for something he gets it. I was looking around on the net and I saw that the bible never even says anyone goes to hell. It's all just warnings. Hell is empty. I can't wait to tell my atheist friend. Thanks for your help everyone!

But it's not like God made hell by mistake. He knew what was going to happen. Why did he make it in such a way to allow people to get into it. What good does it do to allow people into hell? Here's what I'm hearing: God needed to make hell because people put themselves in hell now that he made it and it's the opposite of heaven. Could that be right? I don't understand. You are over thinking the whole idea of hell and trying to rationalize it. Fact is, hell is there for those who reject God. I don't know how else to explain it to you in easier terms. That isn't my question though. I think it sounds like I'm over thinking it because I'm trying to explain my question in different ways. Here's how it is in my head: People that reject God go away from him and he allows that. God made it so the only place they can go away from him is hell and they will be destroyed or tortured forever because.........? and this helps him to.............? and if he didn't do this..................? *confusion* I feel like I don't understand what God wants. Is it vengeance? That isn't the God I know.

But it's not like God made hell by mistake. He knew what was going to happen. Why did he make it in such a way to allow people to get into it. What good does it do to allow people into hell? Here's what I'm hearing: God needed to make hell because people put themselves in hell now that he made it and it's the opposite of heaven. Could that be right? I don't understand. Yes. Because it is a place for eternal punishment. Not a place for just being apart from God. Ok good. I feel like I'm about to get somewhere. Why is hell a place for eternal punishment?

Not as much as I should, but I did know that. If you knew that, then why is it so hard to understand the why? Let me try to approach this from another point of view, Love. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails ... Through pure love, God wants to share His existence with us, knowing how perfect it is. He could of just created perfect beings to share it with, but where would the love be? The creation would be just like robots, never having the choice to be there or not. We, on the other hand, have been given the time to evaluate who God is and make a choice. IT is through this time where His love for us shines by allowing us to grown the way we want, where His love is not forcing us to be anything that we don't want to be. God is willing to let us make mistakes and learn from our mistakes. We have a lifetime to choose, however long each lifetime is. I do suggest that you spend more time in scripture studying. He is more than willing to show you the answers to your questions and will do a better job than anyone of us could ever do. Saying that hell and the Devil and all that stuff will be thrown in the lake of fire doesn't really tell me why God made hell. I mean I guess he made it to throw it into the lake of fire, but I want to know what good that does. What you are saying here sounds like you are telling me that God had to allow people to be bad to make them free. I'm not questioning that. My question is what good hell does. I can't figure out why all these things could have been done without making people suffer in hell. I know that. My question is what would it have mattered if it had been a party town? Yeah, that is how I wanted to believe when I was sinning ... "When I die, I will be with all my "friends", and we will have one huge party! Who needs God to have fun?" This is a lie straight from Satan himself, trying to cause the weak and nonbelievers to think death without God will be one big party. In your mind, or on paper if you wish, list all the things God has to offer. That is what it will be like for those who accept Him. Then write the opposite of each of the first list, and you will see what is awaiting those who reject Him. Why it matters is truth. If people believed they were going to die and attend a party for the rest of time, which is a lie, many would fall for it and spend eternity without God. Just to be clear; I know it's not a party town. Are you saying that if hell was a party town then everyone would sin? Like hell is a horrible place because we need the threat of torture to keep us from evil?

Thank you for all your replies! Unfortunately I'm still confused, but it's really making me feel loved and less alone to see all of you sticking it out with me and helping! You guys are the best! I'm just starting to realize that not some many people believe in a hell with punishment. I learned that hell was a place of fire and pain. I guess I have even more to learn about, but I'm not sure it changes my question. What if God made a party town hell that was a pretty awesome place, but still without Gods love? People would still have the choice to be with God or not and they could also choose torture or not. Would it make any difference? I have to get some sleep. Have a good night guys and thanks for all your help! The only stupid question is the one not asked. Saying that, I have to ask if you have ever studied scripture? Hell is a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment, where hell and death will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, along with Lucifer (Satan), the Beast, the False Prophet, all the fallen angles and anyone who's names are not found in the Book of Life. Not as much as I should, but I did know that. I still don't see what this accomplishes. Gods sorts the people that follow him into his house because they deserve a reward and everyone else into the Devils house because that is where he sorts them? Is there really nothing more to it than God wants to put them there so God puts them there? I know that. My question is what would it have mattered if it had been a party town? When I ask "What if..." it's because I want to find out why the world is the way it is. I'm not really sure the right way to ask these questions, but I'm trying to hear someone answer "God needed to do it that way because..." or "It's like that because God had too..." or something. It sounds like you are repeating my confusion back to me as a statement. I don't have any doubt left that I asked my question wrong, but I'm still not sure the right way to ask it. Why do the wolves belong with wolves? Does it help God somehow to put things that are like together? But God could have made our souls any way he wanted right? And why is hell the place they belong? Like I'm imagining God thinking out his plan and he says to himself "Ok. I'm going to make a soul to fit in the humans and for the good people it will last forever because I want to hang out with them and for the bad people it will last forever because I need a place to put all the bad souls because I made them last forever and that place has to be hell with fire and the Devil now because the people need to with a bad father because they are bad." and my mind just keep running in loops like that. No one. You are right. I know I'm not ever going to understand a lot of things, but I feel obligated to try. He put that book for us here for a reason right? I feel like I'm doing a really bad job as a Christian because I don't know stuff like this. It seems like everyone else gets it. - Thanks again for all the replies. Maybe someone out there has an idea what I'm trying to ask in all this rambling. I'm going to try reading everything again so I can see if there's another way I can ask this question and maybe get it right.

I'm just starting to realize that not some many people believe in a hell with punishment. I learned that hell was a place of fire and pain. I guess I have even more to learn about, but I'm not sure it changes my question. What if God made a party town hell that was a pretty awesome place, but still without Gods love? People would still have the choice to be with God or not and they could also choose torture or not. Would it make any difference? I have to get some sleep. Have a good night guys and thanks for all your help!

You asked why, and you were given reasons why. I have a strange feeling you are trying to figure out why God just doesn't remove them from existence once they die instead of eternity without Him, which is hell itself. I'm starting to feel like an idiot here. Everyones telling me the same thing, but I'm just getting more confused. I really have no idea why God would not remove them from existence. It's not like they will be saved. I must have missed when you told me why. It just sounds to me like everyone is saying what hell is and who goes there, but not why. Can you dumb it down for me? Thanks for sticking with me!

Something is going wrong here. I feel like everyone is answering a different question. Did I ask it wrong or am I missing something? What if I ask what the purpose of hell is? Everyone seems to be talking about how people get there. Is the point of hell because people send themselves? I don't understand this.