Flames of Liberty

Can anyone convince me that Jesus logged onto the internet and had discussions with people about stuff. Can anyone convince me Jesus went to work day in and day out to earn money to pay his bills and buy food and such stuff. Did Jesus go to college and get a degree? Did he play golf or watch football?

I hope you and Logan are prepared to start reporting all the crimes taking place on the highway. I suggest you get a pen and paper and have it with you when you go out, and report everyone that drives above the speed limit, and doesn't wear a seat belt where required. I also hope you report yourselves when you happen to break such a law, and your friends and family. After all, you can't show favoritism. If I know someone else committed a crime, and I say nothing, I am not just as guilty as they are in the sight of God. I challenge you to prove in scripture that is the case. There are only a couple of instances I know of in the law of Moses where a person was required to turn someone in for something they witnessed. Even God doesn't require it for all offenses, but only the most serious. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Proverbs 18:8, Proverbs 26:22 A talebearer revealeth secrets, but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter. Proverbs 11:13 He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets, therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips. Proverbs 20:19 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out; so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth. Proverbs 26:20 Before I read what the Bible says about being a talebearer, I might have agreed we should turn everyone in that does something wrong, but God showed me through his Word a long time ago it is not a wise thing to do in most instances, so I won't do it, and my advise to others is not to do it. By the way, I gave scripture to explain why I don't believe in reporting people like the one in the OP. To those who disagree with me, where is yours? If I took those same verses and applied them to murder, would you agree I had biblical support not to report a murder? I don't believe you are required by God to report it. I am just saying I would. do you believe that by not reporting an action, thus allowing it to continue is condoning the action? Absolutely not. We will just have to disagree on that one then.

For the record, it is not illegal to sing out of tune in North Carolina.

I hope you and Logan are prepared to start reporting all the crimes taking place on the highway. I suggest you get a pen and paper and have it with you when you go out, and report everyone that drives above the speed limit, and doesn't wear a seat belt where required. I also hope you report yourselves when you happen to break such a law, and your friends and family. After all, you can't show favoritism. If I know someone else committed a crime, and I say nothing, I am not just as guilty as they are in the sight of God. I challenge you to prove in scripture that is the case. There are only a couple of instances I know of in the law of Moses where a person was required to turn someone in for something they witnessed. Even God doesn't require it for all offenses, but only the most serious. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Proverbs 18:8, Proverbs 26:22 A talebearer revealeth secrets, but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter. Proverbs 11:13 He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets, therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips. Proverbs 20:19 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out; so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth. Proverbs 26:20 Before I read what the Bible says about being a talebearer, I might have agreed we should turn everyone in that does something wrong, but God showed me through his Word a long time ago it is not a wise thing to do in most instances, so I won't do it, and my advise to others is not to do it. By the way, I gave scripture to explain why I don't believe in reporting people like the one in the OP. To those who disagree with me, where is yours? If I took those same verses and applied them to murder, would you agree I had biblical support not to report a murder? I don't believe you are required by God to report it. I am just saying I would. do you believe that by not reporting an action, thus allowing it to continue is condoning the action?

This is a discussion forum, the purpose is for discussions. That is what is happening.

There is no need to report them as they are licensed by the government.

I hope you and Logan are prepared to start reporting all the crimes taking place on the highway. I suggest you get a pen and paper and have it with you when you go out, and report everyone that drives above the speed limit, and doesn't wear a seat belt where required. I also hope you report yourselves when you happen to break such a law, and your friends and family. After all, you can't show favoritism. If I know someone else committed a crime, and I say nothing, I am not just as guilty as they are in the sight of God. I challenge you to prove in scripture that is the case. There are only a couple of instances I know of in the law of Moses where a person was required to turn someone in for something they witnessed. Even God doesn't require it for all offenses, but only the most serious. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Proverbs 18:8, Proverbs 26:22 A talebearer revealeth secrets, but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter. Proverbs 11:13 He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets, therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips. Proverbs 20:19 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out; so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth. Proverbs 26:20 Before I read what the Bible says about being a talebearer, I might have agreed we should turn everyone in that does something wrong, but God showed me through his Word a long time ago it is not a wise thing to do in most instances, so I won't do it, and my advise to others is not to do it. By the way, I gave scripture to explain why I don't believe in reporting people like the one in the OP. To those who disagree with me, where is yours? If I took those same verses and applied them to murder, would you agree I had biblical support not to report a murder?

I can answer that. Because a person that committed a murder is a violent criminal that would be a danger to repeat their crime and harm someone else. I would not report something like was mentioned in the OP because I don't believe that person does pose any threat to me or anyone else. It is a different type of crime. That is like asking why we don't punish everyone that commits a crime the same? After all, they are all crimes. Why not execute a person who is caught speeding since we do it with murderers. I wouldn't report someone who admitted to me they ran a red light, though that is illegal. I drive a truck, and I witness people committing crimes on the highway all the time, but I don't write down their license plate and report them. Do you report everyone speeding Logan? If not, why not? They are criminals. If someone you know breaks into your house when nobody is home and steals from you, would you report that? After all they are no threat to you since nobody is home. They harmed me already when they broke into my house, and I have no assurance they won't do it again. By the way, I already did have someone break into my house and rob me, and I chose not to report it. I got an alarm system installed so it wasn't repeated. Still, that was my choice. Also, how would they know nobody was home? They could come into my house or my neighbor's home to rob them, find they are home, and then it could turn violent. Those people are a direct threat to me. They are a threat to my property, my pets, my wife and myself, so I would likely report them. I will report some crimes, as I already stated. I would report it if my neighbor was abusing his children, but I won't report a neighbor I know won't wear his seatbelt when he drives. And by the way, how about you? Do you report every person you see violating a traffic law? If not, you are inconsistent. I am openly telling you I make a distinction between different kinds of laws. I don't see them all as equal. If they were all equal, the punishment for all crimes would be equal. I do not report seatbelt violations as I am against seatbelt laws except for children so I actually approve of someone who chooses not to wear their seatbelt. I approve of it not because I think it is a smart thing to do, but because it should be their right to make that choice. By not reporting something you are giving that something your approval. Do you approve of fraud again the government.? I don't believe the government has the Constitutional right to establish a welfare state, so I have no reason to stand against someone who violates laws pertaining to something I find to be illegal. If that is the basis for your defense for not reporting seat belt violations, I most certainly can use that to defend my not reporting welfare fraud. I could add tax fraud into the mix as I oppose the income tax. The bottom line is, you don't get to decide what should be law and shouldn't be. The laws state you must wear a seat belt, so you have just defended breaking the law as being ok so long as you don't like the law. That is more than fair, as long as you condone the action I can see why you would not report it.

I can answer that. Because a person that committed a murder is a violent criminal that would be a danger to repeat their crime and harm someone else. I would not report something like was mentioned in the OP because I don't believe that person does pose any threat to me or anyone else. It is a different type of crime. That is like asking why we don't punish everyone that commits a crime the same? After all, they are all crimes. Why not execute a person who is caught speeding since we do it with murderers. I wouldn't report someone who admitted to me they ran a red light, though that is illegal. I drive a truck, and I witness people committing crimes on the highway all the time, but I don't write down their license plate and report them. Do you report everyone speeding Logan? If not, why not? They are criminals. If someone you know breaks into your house when nobody is home and steals from you, would you report that? After all they are no threat to you since nobody is home. They harmed me already when they broke into my house, and I have no assurance they won't do it again. By the way, I already did have someone break into my house and rob me, and I chose not to report it. I got an alarm system installed so it wasn't repeated. Still, that was my choice. Also, how would they know nobody was home? They could come into my house or my neighbor's home to rob them, find they are home, and then it could turn violent. Those people are a direct threat to me. They are a threat to my property, my pets, my wife and myself, so I would likely report them. I will report some crimes, as I already stated. I would report it if my neighbor was abusing his children, but I won't report a neighbor I know won't wear his seatbelt when he drives. And by the way, how about you? Do you report every person you see violating a traffic law? If not, you are inconsistent. I am openly telling you I make a distinction between different kinds of laws. I don't see them all as equal. If they were all equal, the punishment for all crimes would be equal. I do not report seatbelt violations as I am against seatbelt laws except for children so I actually approve of someone who chooses not to wear their seatbelt. I approve of it not because I think it is a smart thing to do, but because it should be their right to make that choice. By not reporting something you are giving that something your approval. Do you approve of fraud again the government.?

I can answer that. Because a person that committed a murder is a violent criminal that would be a danger to repeat their crime and harm someone else. I would not report something like was mentioned in the OP because I don't believe that person does pose any threat to me or anyone else. It is a different type of crime. That is like asking why we don't punish everyone that commits a crime the same? After all, they are all crimes. Why not execute a person who is caught speeding since we do it with murderers. I wouldn't report someone who admitted to me they ran a red light, though that is illegal. I drive a truck, and I witness people committing crimes on the highway all the time, but I don't write down their license plate and report them. Do you report everyone speeding Logan? If not, why not? They are criminals. If someone you know breaks into your house when nobody is home and steals from you, would you report that? After all they are no threat to you since nobody is home.

If you know of an action that is taking place and you do nothing to stop it, you are in essence giving your approval of that action. If you know of fraud being committed and choose to do nothing you are saying that you are ok with fraud.

So, do Yanks get on British forums and prattle on about British politics? Or is that just something that people do in regards to American politics? Your post confused me in one area, are you suggesting I am on the Left?

Who said he was dumb? He has convinced a large number of people he is a conservative even though 20 years in the public eye shows just the opposite. He supports progressive and big government ideals and he has conservatives coming to his defense like he was the 2nd coming of Reagan. He is obviously very smart. There are real, honest conservatives running and everyone is chasing after the shiny new thing while ignoring the man behind the curtain. It is fascinating to watch, that is for sure.

I have some swamp land around the north pole for sale, you seem just the right kind of buyer. For the record, ObamaCare has not really been around that long, he could not have changed his mind that long ago.

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are. One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel. They need ICBM's to hit us. One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture. People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation. Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran, I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not. It also explains Trump's popularity. I would imagine that Trump's popularity is due to Common Sense and a sense of betrayal by the current U.S. government. It is the low information voter that is actually criticising Trump. It is the low information voter that loves to slander Trump. The darling of the conservatives is a man that was a Democrat before he changed. Was pro abortion before he was against it. Was for ObamaCare before he was against it. Was for progressive tax policy before for he was...oh wait, he is still progressive in the realm of taxes. Has never been against the government using eminent domain to take land from one private owner to give to a different one, all in the name of increased tax base. He was and is for a Supreme Court ruling that is now being used in California to try and take land from churches and give to businesses that will pay more taxes. And yet you claim those who do not support Trump are the low information voter. The evidence does not support your false claim. The evidence DOES support my claim. I never said that Trump supporters were particularly well-informed, I merely pointed out that the low-information voters despise Trump and slander him at every opportunity. They despise him because he speaks certain truths that they cannot stomach. The low information voters have been indoctrinated by Leftist rubbish and revisionist history.They hate Conservative values and they have little if any Common Sense. I'm not concerned about Trump's hypocrisy, the low information voters are not concerned about that either. They're more concerned about calling him names - sexist, racist... whatever... than actually listening to what he really says rather than what they imagine that he says. So the low information voter is both for and against Trump. That is convenient. So which are you? The low information voter for Trump the low information voter against Trump?