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This is the correct thing. All of it is explained in the article. It just seems you are trying to complicate things. All of it is explained...

It really is the truth. The second time was not to protect their wealth with a sword, as you are thinking.... Here, read this article. "The historical context of Luke 22:36 demonstrates that for three years Jesus avoided making a public, triumphal entry of his visits to Jerusalem because he understood that when he set foot in the holy city in this way, he would fulfill his mission to die, in a death that looked like one of a common criminal, just as Isaiah the prophet had predicted hundreds of years before (Is. 53:12). He needed to complete his work outside of Jerusalem. Now, however, Jesus finally enters the city famous for killing her prophets (Luke 13:33-34), a few days before his arrest, trial and crucifixion, all of which he predicted. Religious leaders were spying on him and asked him trick questions, so they could incriminate him (Luke 20:20). These insincere questions, though they were also asked before he entered the city, increased in frequency during these compacted tense days. But he answered impressively, avoiding their traps. Despite the tension, each day Jesus taught in the temple, and crowds gathered around him, so the authorities could not arrest him, for fear of the people. Then Judas volunteered to betray him, saying that he would report back to the authorities when no crowd was present (Luke 22:1-6). As Passover drew near, Jesus asked some of his disciples to prepare the Last Supper (most likely the Seder). He elevated the bread and the wine, representing his body and blood, which was broken and shed for the sins of the world in the New Covenant (Luke 22:17-20). However, during the meal, Judas slipped out to search for the authorities because he knew that it was the custom of Jesus to go to the Mount of Olives to pray (Luke 21:37), and that night would be no different. At this point we pick up the textual context of Luke 22:36 (bold print). He is eating the Last Supper on the night he was betrayed. Luke 22:35-38 says: 35 [Jesus] asked them [the eleven apostles], "When I sent you out without a purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" They said, "No, not a thing." 36 He said to them, "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. 37 For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled." 38 They [the disciples] said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "It is enough," he replied. (NRSV) The textual context reveals at least two truths. First, Jesus contrasts his ministry before his arrival in Jerusalem with the tense few days in Jerusalem when spies and the authorities themselves were seeking to trap him. Does the tension play a part in understanding why he told his disciples to go out and buy swords? This is answered, below. Second, he says that he would be arrested and tried as a criminal, as the prophecy in Is. 53:12 predicted. Does this have anything to do with swords? Do criminals carry them around? This too is explained, below. Jesus may have a deeper meaning in mind than the violent use of the swords. What is it? The interpretation of the verses can follow either a strictly physical direction in which swords must be used, or a nonphysical one in which swords must not be used, during Jesus’ last hours. The surest and clearest direction is the nonliteral one, but first we analyze why the literal one will not fit into Luke 22:34-38 and into the passage about the arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:39-53). Jesus says to the disciples to buy swords, but when they show him two, Jesus says the two are enough. The first direction, the literal one, is inadequate for two reasons. First, the obvious question is: two swords are enough for what? Are they enough for a physical fight to resist arrest? This is hardly the case because during Jesus’ arrest a disciple (Peter according to John 18:10) took out his sword and cut off the ear of the servant (Malchus according to John 18:10) of the high priest. Jesus sternly tells Peter to put away his sword, "No more of this!" and then he heals the servant, restoring his ear (Luke 22:49-51). Resisting arrest cannot be the purpose of the two swords. Second, were the two swords enough for an armed rebellion to resist the authorities and to impose the new Jesus movement in a political and military way? Jesus denounces this purpose in Luke 22:52, as the authorities are in the process of arresting him: "Am I leading a rebellion that you have come with swords and clubs?" The answer is no, as he is seized and led away (v. 54). So the physical interpretation of Luke 22:36 (the two swords were intended to be used) will not work in the larger context. Two swords are not enough to resist arrest, to pull off a revolt of some kind, or to fully protect themselves in the Garden of Gethsemane. "The contextual meaning of the swords In contrast to the literal interpretation of using swords physically, the following interpretation works smoothly in context so that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together. First, Jesus reminds the disciples of his mission for them before he arrived in Jerusalem (Luke 9:3; 10:1-17). Did they need a purse, a bag, or extra sandals? No, because people were friendlier, and their opposition to him was spread out over three years. Now, however, he is in Jerusalem, and he has undergone the compacted antagonism of religious leaders seeking to trap him with self-incriminating words. When the authorities are not present, they send their spies. The atmosphere is therefore tense, and the two swords—no more than that—represent the tension. Jesus’ mission has shifted to a clear danger, and the disciples must beware. However, he certainly did not intend for his disciples to use the swords, as we just saw in the literal interpretation, above, for he is about to tell Peter to put away his sword. Second, "For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’" (Luke 22:37). By far the clearest purpose of the two swords is Jesus’ reference to Isaiah’s prophecy (53:12). He was destined to be arrested like a criminal, put on trial like a criminal, and even crucified like a criminal (but his arrest, trial, and execution were based on false evidence. He did nothing but good.) Yet, he was hung on the cross between two thieves, which is also a fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy (Luke 23:32; 39-43). What are criminals known for carrying with them? Weapons, and to be numbered among criminals, Jesus must also have weapons. That is why he said that only two swords would be enough—to fulfill this prophecy. Also, Matthew mentions fulfilling prophecy (26:54). If Peter had kept on physically using the sword to prevent Christ’s arrest, prophecy would not have been accomplished smoothly and without hindrance. Jesus says that he could call on twelve legions of angels to protect him, meaning he is destined by God to die; he was not permitted to stop even the mighty Roman Empire from fulfilling its role (Matt. 26:53). That is why Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in its place (Matt. 26:52). And in Luke he says to Peter after the disciple cut off an ear, "No more of this!" (22:51). The third and final nonliteral interpretation says that Jesus frequently used physical objects (seeds, lamps, vineyards, coins, lost sheep and so on) to teach nonphysical, universal truths, and the same is possibly true of the two swords. This interpretation of clarification is supported by Matt. 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword." As seen in this article on Matt. 10:34, in context he does not mean a physical sword that cuts up and bloodies the family, but a spiritual and moral one that may divide it up nonphysically. And it is precisely Luke who clarifies Jesus’ meaning of "sword" as nonliteral, in the two parallel passages of Matt. 10:34 and Luke 12:51. If Luke does this in 12:51, then why would he not shift slightly the meaning of "sword" in 22:36-38?" "A Brief Explanation of the Sword in Luke 22:36 James M. Arlandson"

No, they were not instructed to have any weapons. Peter told Yashua that they had two swords, and Yashua said, that is enough. Many scholars have said that Yashua was saying that they had enough weapons, but what he was doing was rebuking Peter. Yet, it had to be fulfilled. Then, they go to the mount of olives. There, he tells the disciples to pray to not fall into temptation. In light of what he was saying before, rebuking Peter at the last supper, he is saying the same thing here, knowing that Peter and the others will strike with the sword. But he warned them not to fall into that temptation. Then just as he had predicted, Peter in his zealous nature, asked to strike, but Yashua didnt have a chance to reply before Peter cuts off the guards ear. Yashua replied, "No more of this!"

I tell ya, this is not a big deal. No matter what our founding fathers wrote, and what it is for, we as christians should not own guns. That is my observation of how the scriptures read. How can we protect the ones we love if we do not have weapons? Easy. We stop abiding by a man made article, and follow the article by YAH. We are NOT Americans. We have another country, and one that was not made by man. We should be seeking first the kingdom, and everything beyond that is just something extra. We should not fight. We should ALWAYS stand for what we believe, without violence. If it means death, then it is death. Since we believe in the resurrection, we should not fear death. Lets not worry about what Ammon Bundy is doing. LEt us not worry about what Obama is doing. Let us seek first the kingdom, and we will be okay.

When we come back to the knowledge of the truth, (death to the old man, burial of the old man who has stopped sinning, and the resurrection of the new man without sin) we wont have to guess what is supposed to happen. Because we will already know how to tackle the issues. We will know how to be a better people. We have a guide book. We will hate to see others suffer. Because it is not "GOD" causing the suffering, it is mankind. We have a DUTY to stop it. We have the power to stop it, but we just sit back and watch as more insanity takes us, and our children, into the deep dark abyss of political correctness. That is where we are...political correctness. If we are living that lifestyle, then we deserve what we get.

Judges 21: 25 "In those days there was no king in Israel, so everyone did what was right in their own eyes." We have a "master/king" His name is Yashua. He showed us how to live. Doing our own thing is not the way, and we have become a sad lot because of it...

I understand where you are coming from, and I have seen the same things. Except for that no matter what, truth will always be truth, and taste will always be an opinion. There is really no room for our opinion, because opinions always cloud the truth.

It is the only thing that matters to me. Giving people hope is a must, and proving what I believe is a must as well. Because if I do not have proof to back up what I believe, then I am nothing more than a puppet. I speak what others have told me, without knowledge, and most importantly, understanding. We need to push truth, and pull back on our own thinking.

We do put YAHVAH, (God) in a box most of the time. But when it comes to the creation and how old the earth is, there is proof in the OT. Everything is patterned after a 6 day work week, and the seventh day of rest. Man and beast have 6 days to work, and rest on the seventh day. The land has 6 years to work, and must rest the 7th year. Just as the earth has 6000 years to work, and 1000 years to rest. Counting back from 70 A.D. through all the ages we arrive at 3930 B.C. If the earth has 6000 years to work, we just minus 3930 from 6000 and arrive at 2068 A.D. This is 2000 years from the time of Titus and the destruction of Jerusalem.

So I guess you just decided to ignore the Mod? Well, anyway... The most important thing you can do, is get baptized in the name of Yashua, and have hands placed on your head to receive the spirit. If you do it any other way, it is not baptism. It is worldly. That is the way it is said, and the way it is to be done. You can mock, and say/do whatever you want.

We need to be baptized in the name of Yashua, for the remission (getting rid) of sins. Then after we need to have hands placed over our heads to receive the spirit. That is how it works. There is no one that I know who does this with authority.

I have a problem with the way you talk to me. First, "...you do understand." "...you do realize." "...as you have been taught to do." I'm sorry, but how I came to this truth was not something I was taught. I was taught like every other main stream christian. My family was Jehovah Witness, and then at 16 I was baptized into the Mormon church. 10 years later, after being in prison for 5 years, I renounced GOD and Jesus. I became an agnostic, wanting to see him to believe. Then something happened in my 6th year in prison where I thought I was going crazy, and I heard a voice outside my cell window. I was lying down, and minding my own business, and I swore that someone was outside talking to me. I sat up, after hearing the words, "See what the LORD has done today." I heard it so clear. So, I went to the dayroom, and turned the TV on thinking that I might just watch a little and go back to bed. To my surprise, just as the image came up, the news was on. The guy said something I didnt hear well, then clear as day, he said, "Israel is invading Lebanon." That was very odd, and from that day, I did my own studies. I did 4 and a half years of study, while in prison. I went in at 25, got out when I was 35, and now, 5 years later, I see clearly. Physical things are going to happen. But we argue over who is going to die, and what country is going to invade what country. We already have a promise. We already know that we have NOTHING to worry about. Yashua rose from the dead! That is the game changer. Warnings or not, we look to help others get their spiritual bodies. HE SHOWED US HOW. We know that we have to die to the carnal man to become spiritual. We have to die, so while we are alive, we need to focus on warning people about their futures. He is not coming back to show us anything. We already know how to do what we are supposed to do. This discussion was to show people the past has everything to do with the "second coming" of Yashua. Moses/Joshua, Yashua/Titus. Once we accept that, we can do what we are supposed to do.

Thank you, and the right discussion was about preterism. If we see the OT, we see what happened in the NT.

I would like to be baptized before that happens, because I would love to live to be 93 to go through the purge by fire. "Instant" change. But, if I can not get baptized before that, my body will be dead, but my spirit goes back to him who gave it. After 2068 A.D. the earth will burn, and will rest for 1000 years. The earth works for 6000 years, and rests for 1000. After that, all the earth will be alive with life again, because the vegetation will have been replenished, and everything will be like it was before the flood. I would like to add one thing... After we die, physically, we are "instantly" with the father, because the spirit goes back to him who gave it. That is the time of the individual judgement. If even Yashua, the son of the living Almighty One, had to die physically we too have to physically die. It is to get rid of this body. And put on another one, not like Yashua's body.

We need to remember that Paul wrote to the believers in his time period who would go through the destruction of Jerusalem, and be forced to flee to stay alive. I do not know where you live, but I have never had to flee from total destruction. He said, "WE" will be changed...and so forth. Those who lived in the time of Titus were warned of what was coming, and they listened, and lived. John lived through the worst of it before the destruction and told of the time of Titus after he was exiled. The others didnt fare so well. They were killed for their beliefs. Yashua told John that he would live to see what would happen when Peter asked him about John. "What is it if he lives till I come, you follow me." He lived up until the vengeance of YAH on all who hated his Messiah. At least until 70 A.D.

You are correct. It has to stop. I for one need to bridle my "tongue" and just reply, no matter what another has said to me.

Why is everything modern christians say all about the physical? What is the point of symbols, and patterns, and shadows, and types? What is the point? Why on earth are we told to not sit and worry about the physical earth? What about the animals? The animals are a symbol of the nations. The symbols in the book of revelation are simply patterns in the heavens. That is what John saw, heavenly patterns. Harrod is the dragon, the dragon is a heavenly sign. The woman clothed in the sun, with 12 stars above her head, and standing on the moon is the church, which is also a heavenly sign. These are constellations and stars. Modern day christians are lacking faith. Hebrews 11: 13 - 16 "All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them."

Nah, you are talking about force, and the Almighty does not force anyone to do anything. Neither does Yashua. What is being said here about the rod of iron is that he will keep the sheep safe from predators. He is ruling now. And he is our refuge.

Then you are blind, and do not have eyes to see... It does not matter what will happen, because there is no proof of anything I say, according to you.

Quit being disrespectful to me. You are not an ambassador for Yashua, and YAHVAH. The problem is that you are stuck on yourself, and you can not see past yourself. If you have something to say about me, say it to me...That is how it is going to be!

You are a sad, sad, sad, person...This is your excuse now to not open your eyes. I am more a believer than you will ever be. And the PROOF is in this sick post of yours. That is how sad you are, and beyond. I guess if you need something done in life, and you do not know how to do it yourself, and a non-believer does, I am sure you will not go to that person to get it done. You go to Walmart, K-Mart, A grocery store, a gas station, a c-store, and I am sure you buy from believers only, right? Excuses, excuses, excuses. You need to start saying, "In Montana Marv" Just like when Yashua didnt "fit the bill" in the eyes if the Hebrew people who lived in his time, they mocked him, and scorned him, and killed him. That was their sad excuse to continue living in the lie they were living in...

What about the words just before that? "HOW WILL WE WHO DIED TO SIN..." How will we? We wont, because we DIED TO SIN. He who is DEAD is FREE FROM SIN. Dead = no sin. (If the son sets you free, you are free INDEED.) Death, burial, resurrection. Baptism. That is how you stop sinning. You DIE, (Death), ((Here the sinning stops)) you are buried, (Burial of the old man) and resurrection, (Alive with NO SIN.)

John 8:34-36 34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, ye will be free indeed. Romans 6:1, 2 1 What will we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it NEVER be! How will we who died to sin still live in it? Romans 6:5-7 5 Because if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from here on we should not serve sin. 7 Because he who is dead is freed from sin. Romans 8:14 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 1st Corinthians 15:17 17 And if Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1 Peter 4:1, 2 1 Forasmuch then as Christ had suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he who had suffered in the flesh had ceased from sin that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 2nd Peter 1: 5-9 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things are in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he who lacks these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 1st John 3:1-9 1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: that is why the world didnt know us, because it did not know him. 2 Beloved, we are now the sons of God, and it is not yet revealed what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man who has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: because sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever lives in him does not sin: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He who commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin because his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1st John 5:17-19 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God does not sin; but he who is begotten of God protects himself, and that wicked one does not touch him. 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness.

I have not been baptized in the name of Yashua for remission (getting rid) of sins. After I am baptized, then I will sin no more. I have yet to find a place to baptise me in that way. Death, to the old man. Burial of the old man, and his ways. Resurrection of the new man. Since the old man is GONE, the new man can live. Death, burial, and resurrection. That is how we stop sinning...

Read From Joshua chapter 1 to 23. There is your proof.